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Pornography and Prostitution alike

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RationalMadman
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So the technicality here as I understand it, The loophole is in the work or activity with pornography in that under the law, It's classified as an artistic platform. So this means folks are being paid directly for participating in a movie containing actual sexual activity. The sexual activity is being indirectly paid for. That's the technicality, Makes it legal. Prostitution is just the opposite.

So dealing with adult film entertainment and the use of brothels, What do I say?
I would argue that both of these things amount to the same bottom line. Many pornographic films don't necessarily have much of a story behind them. Take a camera along with some flimsy script, Down to such and such avenue, Call that hooker over.
Between these two things, The lines are blurred, Not much of a difference.

Like marijuana having it's loophole for legality, The same with P. And P.

The law should have discernment of the end result in everything. It's understood that it does not so people fight for "reach-arounds" to get protection for things they know are not sanctioned if they can't get a way around the system. Simply undermine in every which a way.
So P. And P. Should stand on the same side of the law. At the end of it, It's about nobody getting hurt, Either way.

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Round 1
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Mall
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#1
So the technicality here as I understand it, The loophole is in the work or activity with pornography in that under the law, It's classified as an artistic platform. So this means folks are being paid directly for participating in a movie containing actual sexual activity. The sexual activity is being indirectly paid for. That's the technicality, Makes it legal. Prostitution is just the opposite.
So dealing with adult film entertainment and the use of brothels, What do I say?
I would argue that both of these things amount to the same bottom line. Many pornographic films don't necessarily have much of a story behind them. Take a camera along with some flimsy script, Down to such and such avenue, Call that hooker over.
Between these two things, The lines are blurred, Not much of a difference.
Like marijuana having it's loophole for legality, The same with P. And P.
The law should have discernment of the end result in everything. It's understood that it does not so people fight for "reach-arounds" to get protection for things they know are not sanctioned if they can't get a way around the system. Simply undermine in every which a way.
So P. And P. Should stand on the same side of the law. At the end of it, It's about nobody getting hurt, Either way.

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Forfeited
Round 2
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Mall
Pro
#3
Let's start with some straightforward questions to help keep this on the rails.

Not complicated but just as simplistic as can be. When you look at this in essence on a grand scale not restrained by conventional means, it's very clear.

If I paid a prostitute to have sex with me up front , made a video of the transaction, sold copies of the video so I can be compensated for my directorial and sexual work, made it so that the prostitute receives residuals for sex, would this make it pornography?

The prostitute is being paid for sex. That's what makes them a prostitute in essence. That much is true. That part hasn't changed because a video recorder is involved.

For this cause, pornography and prostitution or P. and P. alike.

What would you say the reason why one has a better basis for being legal?

Hint : Relates to the same basis between a retail pharmacist and street pharmacist (drug dealer)

Think about the legitimate employment process.

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#4
So, the answer to his question is that pornography is a taxed business with lisencing for practitioners while prostitution (in countries that outlaw it) is not.

I'm aware that this answer barely helps at all. For instance, it doesn't even begin to tell you why they are different in the first place. What I am going to propose will seem strange but bear with me.

Pornography is the creation of goods (videographic and photographic goods), prostitution is a service.

One involves skills like acting, a public life, subjecting oneself to a lot of potential public humiliation but most importantly the entire skill is in appearing to have hot sex.

Prostitution involves skills like communicating, a private life, staying lowkey no matter how successful and emotionally bonding with the client a little, during the session.

Pornography actually is worse than prostitution and more damaging for the populace in its own way, they could both be made illegal while the other remains legal and it's completely justifiable.

The loophole doesn't exist in most countries because amateur porn still needs evidence. If you are not making it with your girlfriends and/or boyfriend and a stranger is in your bed the real question is why you aren't a lisenced porn director and distributor.

I understand why one could make both legal or illegal depending on their morality but I can completely comprehend why one can remain legal while the other isn't (either way around). They entail different risks and harms to society and the workers.
Round 3
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Mall
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#5
If I paid a prostitute to have sex with me up front , made a video of the transaction, sold copies of the video so I can be compensated for my directorial and sexual work, made it so that the prostitute receives residuals for sex, would this make it pornography?


Would you say it does or does not?


What would you say the reason why one has a better basis for being legal?

You may have answered this in part , in directly with the mention of licensure.

But what is your clear , direct response?


"Pornography actually is worse than prostitution and more damaging for the populace in its own way, they could both be made illegal while the other remains legal and it's completely justifiable."

This part is somewhat conflicting. The one that's worse is legal.

In essence , these things are money for sex. I can be a part of a company or start my own adult film production company , begin casting at a bordello. The essence hasn't changed so in turn the law in a sensible world wouldn't change.

Now really the basis for legality is not really behind any artistic work or story telling. These elements can be manipulated to the point of making any crime legit . Like for instance , what was thought to be honest financial business turned out to be money laundering.

It is assumed that a business approved to run its operations has some level of security, screening and health safety. But, here's the kicker. Mr. Procurer or Mr. Pimp has this particular loophole in mind to keep his business going strong.

It gets to a point of inability to separate what is really and really not a crime.

Likewise of a undercover cop posing as a drug dealer. Sometimes the person has to go in such a deep cover where the line is no longer established.

That's where P.and P. goes . I wouldn't be surprised at how much this could be going on now and folks in the meantime are getting away with it.

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#6
Okay so I see no rebuttal to that pornography is the production of artistic goods whereas prostitution is a recreational service.

On top of them fundamentally being different forms of trade, the public exposure element to a pornstar's lifestyle yet lack of any emotional connection or 'real interaction' with fans is constrasted with prostitution and ebtails different banes vs boons.


Pro agrees with me that Pornography actually has harms and could ve made illegal in a system where prostitution is legal (tbe opposite of many nations). What Pro fails to see is that either way around is viable, depending on which garms vs benefits of each trade the society deems worth outlawing or legalising.