Instigator / Con
20
1497
rating
1
debates
0.0%
won
Topic
#2132

Government is not interested in the welfare of people.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
45
Better sources
10
30
Better legibility
5
15
Better conduct
2
15

After 15 votes and with 85 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Six months
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
105
1922
rating
117
debates
97.44%
won
Description

B.S. Yediyurappa: He has become Karnataka’s chief minister again despite being the very image of corruption in Karnataka. Accused in land and mining scams, with diaries recovered from his possession showing hefty amounts being paid to top BJP leaders, judges and advocates, Yediyurappa today stands tall, acquitted of most of the charges. The same CBI that was investigating him for years couldn’t furnish enough evidence against him when the Modi government came to power. The Supreme Court might yet order investigations against him in a land scam.

2. Reddy brothers of Bellary: Before the Karnataka elections in 2018, the CBI quickly concluded its investigations into mining scams worth Rs 16,500 crore against the Bellary brothers without pursuing the cases to their logical ends. For such audacious plundering of India’s wealth, the Modi government let the Bellary brothers go scot-free because the BJP needs them to win A forest service officer who was the whistleblower in this case was sacked by the Modi government earlier .

3. Himanta Biswa Sarma: The Amit Shah of the Northeast, as he is called, Himanta Biswa Sarma was once a member of the Congress party and faced corruption charges. The BJP had waged a full campaign, even releasing a booklet, accusing Sarma of being the "key suspect" in the water supply scam in Guwahati. The scam is known as the Louis Berger case because of the involvement of the American construction management company. There’s even a chargesheet by the US Department of Justice under the country’s Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, alleging that the company paid bribes to an unnamed minister. From claiming that the minister was Sarma to inducting him into the party, the BJP came a long way. The Assam government has predictably gone slow on the investigations, and the BJP hasn’t followed up with its own old demand to hand over the case to the CBI.
4. Shivraj Singh Chouhan: The CBI in 2017 gave then-Madhya Pradesh chief minister a clean chit in the Vyapam scam. Would Shivraj Singh Chouhan have gotten away had he been a member of the Congress? A huge entrance exam scam, it has seen whistleblowers and witnesses die mysteriously one after another, more than 40 by some media estimates.
5. Mukul Roy: As the BJP needed to expand its organisational base in West Bengal, it inducted scam-tainted Trinamool Congress leader Mukul Roy in its fold. Roy joined the party soon after the Enforcement Directorate had summoned him in the Narada ‘sting’ case, an undercover operation by a local news channel that showed several other top TMC leaders accepting bribes. Roy is also an accused in the Saradha chit fund scam. The law, he says, will take its own course. Somehow, the law’s course towards him has slowed in its pace since he joined the BJP.
Also read: Corruption is like ‘termites’ — PM Modi justifies tough approach against civil servants
6. Ramesh Pokhriyal ‘Nishank’: He is India’s minister for human resource development. As Uttarakhand chief minister, he was at the centre of two big scams: one regarding land and the other regarding hydro-electric projects. The image of his regime, which was hit by various corruption cases, was so bad that the BJP forced him to resign in 2011. Of course, neither the CBI nor the Uttarakhand government is in any hurry to get to the bottom of the corruption charges. Far from being investigated, Ramesh Pokhriyal now holds an important portfolio in Modi’s
• 7. Narayan Rane: The BJP last year inducted former Maharashtra chief minister Narayan Rane into the party and made him a Rajya Sabha MP. The CBI and the ED are no longer rushing to investigate Rane or raid his properties. Rane has been accused of money laundering and land scams. His is the "first family of controversies" in Maharashtra politics.

• During Chouhan's 13-year-rule, 30,000 murders, 46,000 rapes and more than 2.25 lakh heinous crimes were reported, the Congress leader alleged.

• The conviction rate is very low and 79 per cent of cases were pending in courts as of 2017-end, he said.

Round 1
Con
#1
Forfeited
Pro
#2
GOVERNMENT is not INTERESTED in the WELFARE of the PEOPLE

OBJECTION:
CON has directly challenged PRO to a debate and then forfeited

OBJECTION:
CON has the taken the negative stance- that government IS interested in the welfare of the people but in Description CON has supplied nine examples of government corruption and callous disregard for the the welfare of the people.  CON clearly agrees with PRO that government is NOT interested in the welfare of the the people and by that agreement CON concedes PRO's affirmative.

PRO would use CON's argument to support his case but alas:

OBJECTION:
There is no original content in PRO's description.  All of PRO's description is a cut and paste from this article:


which

OBJECTION:
CON fails to credit by citation.

CONCLUSION

PRO and CON agree that government sucks.
Round 2
Con
#3
Forfeited
Pro
#4
Thanks, ViggythePiggy,

GOVERNMENT is not INTERESTED in the WELFARE of the PEOPLE

  • PRO and CON seem to agree on this point.

  • All of CON's examples were plagiarized from an article about Indian injustice but examples of lack of care by government officials can be found everywhere.
    • One recent and well publicized case here in the US was the murder of George Floyd.
      • On May 25, 2020, George Floyd, a 46-year-old black man, was killed in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during an arrest for allegedly using a counterfeit bill.  Derek Chauvin, a white police officer, knelt on Floyd's neck for almost eight minutes while Floyd was handcuffed and lying face down, begging for his life and repeatedly saying "I can't breathe".  Officers J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane further restrained Floyd, while officer Tou Thao prevented bystanders from intervening. During the final three minutes, Floyd was motionless and had no pulse while Chauvin ignored onlookers' pleas to remove his knee, which he did not do until medics told him to.
CONCLUSION

  • CON asks VOTERS to award CON the win by FULL FORFEIT.
Thanks again to VIggythePiggy, and
Thanks to VOTERS for their kind consideration.