The Colin Kaepernick Movement
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"It makes no sense on a variety of levels and is an insult to the troops that died to defend that flag and that anthem."
-Ben Shapiro
This guy is amazing and I love his work and what he's doing for this country.
Cons first part of his argument is that CKM is arguing all police are racist.
Pro destroyed this argument with his rebuttal: 1.) unconscious bias more than racism plays a factor, 2.) CKM wasn’t accusing all police of being racist, 3.) its more the criminal justice system as a wile. Both are important but pro really explains what the problem is well explained.
Cons third point, was equally well destroyed. Claiming that racial equality has been achieved was 100% refuted by pro citing examples of systematic and ongoing inequality.
Cons second argument was an amalgamation of the first and third.
As a result, pro clearly takes out all 3 points raised by con.
Con claims multiple times, that there are no laws that enshrine discrimination or mention race. Pro demolishes this too: by explaining that laws don’t have to do that to be discriminatory. He cited examples of cocaine laws, and pointed out his previous examples where it doesn’t even have to be a law. Pros reasoned rebuttal makes cons position seem like deliberately moving the goalposts. Con even objected that there were no specifics - in answer to the specifics that pro gave.
Con appeared to discredit CK motivations raising the money made and CKs specific performance, con doesn’t seem to make any actual point or makes any specific rebuttable claim here for me to assess here, and simply appears to be throwing it out to discredit CK - as pro points out.
In this respect, the primary arguments made on each side all went in pros favor.
Even in the final arguments raised, pro stated “blacks are more likely to be killed by the police than white”, con misrepresented this as pro stating that the absolute numbers shot are higher. Pro clearly corrects this misinterpretation.
Sources: clearly go to pro. Cons Washington post source in his final argument supports pro, con uses the heritage foundation (a highly biased source), half as many sources as pro, and almost all related to the largely irrelevant argument con made concerning CKM motivations.
Pro decided to barely respond to Con args near the end, causing me to outweigh any of the Pro advantages and contentions left unresponded
AIRhino made the more convincing arguments and provided more reliable sources, while gzitman failed to counter most of the points made by AlRhino.
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>Reported Vote: Alec // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 3 points to Con for arguments, 2 points to Pro for sources
>Reason for Decision: Pro looked to be giving up near the end of the debate. His arguments were shorter and he did not cite at the end. He failed to counter most of the votes made by Con. Pro used a .edu source whereas Con did not. I hope this vote does not get deleted by bsh1 or anyone else because I'm trying not to make it a troll vote.
>Reason for Mod Action: I feel for the voter, because I understand how frustrating it is to have one's votes removed, and I don't feel that they are not trying to troll. That said, the vote remains insufficient. The voter fails to "survey specific arguments and counterarguments from both sides which impacted their voting decision" and fails to weigh the arguments in the debate. To awards sources points, the voter must "explain how the sources impacted the debate, directly assessing the strength of at least one source." The voter fails to do this.
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In fact, a few of those crimes, you don't even have to say per capita.
The reason more black people per capita are dying at the hands of the police is because black people commit more crime per capita than white people. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-21
The USA protects freedom worldwide with our strong military. If it wasn't for the USA, 180 million South Koreans and Japanese would be living under communist rule.
Not everyone has a good reason to be proud of America, it's important to view this countries history from other perspectives, not just from the winners of war.
no, it is also a symbol for pride in America, but mostly veterans because the song is written about the war and how we got our freedom
and people are now disrespecting that like nothing, and u know it
no, it is also a symbol for pride in America, but mostly veterans because the song is written about the war and how we got our freedom
and people are now disrespecting that like nothing, and u know it
Is the American flag only a symbol for dead veterans? I want to know what the symbol is for the dead slaves who laid the bricks of the Capitol Building under the whip.
who cares? they prolly didnt even know kneeling was gonna be a thing
ur supposed to stand cuz its respectful
its against nfl policy but y does that matter it is still super disrespectful
Not according to the US Flag Code, kneeling isn't even mentioned.
since forever lol
you are not showing respect for the national anthem, and the men and women who died and fought for your freedom
military people are very offended by it
Since when is kneeling a sign of disrespect?
im just saying he is trash anyway
as freedom of speech/peaceful protest it is protected, but personally it is very disrespectful to the flag, and he honestly probably doesn't even know the hard facts of what he is protesting, whether it be pro or con.
Does that make his movement unjustified? Thats a deflection from the issue.
kapernick is trash anyway he would lose any game in a heartbeat
kapernick is trash anyway he would lose any game in a heartbeat