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Topic
#186
No one is better at rhyming than Eminem, A-F-R-O, Kool G Rap, Anilyst and Percee P
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 4 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...
RationalMadman
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- 3
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Round 1
I will start with an example of each rapper (con concedes Eminem)
A-F-R-O
His rhyme ability speaks for itself, he rhymes entire sentences at a time.
Kool G Rap
He's only like one or two levels below Eminem.
ANILYST
Skip to 1:08 for the part where his skill really kicks in
PERCEE P
Skip to 1:40 for Percee P's verse.
HONORABLE MENTION, CLOKWORX
Eminem is the only one better at rhyming than these 5.Even K-Rino can't rhyme like them and he's literally the best rapper in general on earth.
I do not 'concede Eminem' but I do admit he's 'up there' with the best. The resolution reads 'and' so Pro needs to prove all five are the best five at rhyming.
Since not lyrics in-depth analysis has occured yet, I am up against nothing for now. I will ask you to look through A-F-R-O's songs and see in the lyrics (or hear if you're a fast rap-adept listener) the amount of times he cheats in repeating the same word as he said before (or somthing like rhyming 'another' with 'other' with 'each other' which is semi cheating but even rhyming words with themselves frequently is commonplace for him to do. He also will barely ever try to construct even a half-sentence and purely 'spews rhyme' and one must ask themselves this: Is the best rhymer the one who rhymes the most while being totally bad at all other elements of rap or is it the one who, while sacrificing a lot in other departments, maintains extremely good flow, delivery, sentence-structure and lack of repetition as well as not altering how words are correctly pronounced (Eminem's biggest sin is saying words wrong to cheat and rhyme them)?
Anilyst and Eminem are brilliant rhymers but because they cheat so much by saying words wrong, stretching out the way they say a word to make it cut in half or a third syllable-wise to false-rhyme and how Anilyst will say nonsense at times and we have to take it that it's acceptable slang is all strange and on top of that, Anilyst merely is a stylistic syllable slider. This means he specialises in making all syllables of a line rhyme with that of other lines meanign in all his raps he ends up with less actual rhyme consistency since he can't possibly (and blatantly doesn't) rhyme as much as others in terms of the same rhyme scheme. His rigidity is his very downfall.
Percee P is alright at rhyming but not at all special, he has literally 40% of any of his raps that's the 'filler' in the rhyme scheme and as for Kool G rap... He's among the worst rhymers I've ever come across. He's what you call severe old-school where the mechanics of rapping were not yet admired and he wasn't part of the vinnie paz or afro off-shoot nor the tech n9ne offshoot (the former focused on delivery and quality of rhyme scheme, yes afro does focus but he is over the top and is a terrible 'rhymer' in terms of not cheating or making any sense) and the tech n9ne off-shoot inspired Eminem's evolution later in his career which is the flow-focused type.
I am now going to show you the single best rhymer ever, a student of the Tech N9ne school of rap... Rittz. Before that let's just get to the official list (one is a rapper I just came across 2 days ago, thanks fate).
TOP 10 RHYMERS (1 is best):
- Rittz (undisputed champion in my eyes)
- Devlin (British-London-accent but the best at actually rhyming without cheating beyond using that accent to make rhymes that Americans can't)
- Vinnie Paz (just listen)
- Tech N9ne - the father of flow-focused rap and only one in the flow-focused school beneath Rittz in capacity to rhyme with perfect flow.
- Tom McDonald (phenomenal flow and capacity to maintain severely solid sentence structure while rhyming almost as much as Anilyst does consistency-wise.
- Eminem - God tier word-bender but this is why he's below the other 5, he has to alter the way to say or pace words frequently to make anything properly rhyme with the consistency that he does.
- RA the Rugged Man
- Chris Webby
- UBI better known as one of the two of the duo Ces Cru
- Anilyst
AFRO isn't near the top, he's a pseudo-rhymer who basically is actually one of the WORST rhymers because of how he purely spews out a ton of syllables or words that sound the same but mean nothing much in the way he's saying them, he's literally taking rap as a joke with his style.
Rittz is a monster of rhyming, I'll do what Pro did and just post it since Pro has not analysed any lyrics, I am entitled to be as lazy.
^ 5 of MANY, will give 5 of the finest rhyme-pieces for all the rappers I mention.
Devlin... The best of the British-Style Grime Artists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV6WcLaX9RI < In this song he comes back later, don't exit when the other artist comes necessarily if you're interested.
https://youtu.be/-CECOCIULQ8?t=75 < same thing as above.
Something important to understand about Dev and Rittz is there's 3 layers to their rhyme schemes, something Tech N9ne taught Rittz but which Dev invented by himself as it was still a new concept when he was coming up.
This is also something to notice in the other top rappers I list and what deteriorates the more down you go, it's not just amount you rhyme or 'quality' alone it's about intricacy to the rhyme scheme itself and way you make it still make sense (what you're saying in the rap make grammatical sense).
Vinnie Paz - Just listen, Vinnie is the undisputed best overall rapper in all categories, I do not think anyone can equal Vinnie at actual skill as a rapper, he's beyond talent he's actually practised and skill so insanely high-tier without failure in any category of rap.
Tech N9ne - If you don't understand why he's not lower than this rank, you just don't comprehend rhyming. I can understand arguing he should be higher but you will notice lapses (like Tom McDonald has) that the top 3 don't. He is the KING OF RHYME SCHEME MANIPULATION but is just not consistent enough to be superior to those ranked above him.
Tom McDonald - The master of maintaining extremely consistent grammar and sentence structure without failing to rhyme. He is possibly the second-best raw poet in the rap game after Watsky when it comes to comprehending the mechanics of poetry and emphasising metaphors and expressing raw emotion in a highly intellectual way. He is superior to Watsky at actually rhyming and delivering though.
Eminem is supported by my opponent and I will just leave it at that for this Round.
RA The Rugged Man [student of Vinnie as Rittz was to Tech] - Like Em, he compensates but instead of word-bending he compensates in making less sense etc. Still better than so many other rappers considering his rank.
Chris Webby - Semi-Taught both by Tech and Rittz as well as Apathy and Jarren Benton via collabs and good relations with them - In both 'making sense' and 'saying words correctly in terms of grammar' he and all rappers below him either bend the rules or rhyme worse (or both), Webby is brilliant but he's not better than those I ranked above him, it's about raw rhyme scheme mechanics and the execution of it.
UBI (he's the 'white guy' although possible part Jewish but definitely part italian member of the duo Ces Cru and most of his best stuff is under that name so when it says 'ces cru' it's still him just 50% so).
Round 2
Forfeited
I forgot to mention ClokWorx. I will be throwing them in there too.
I'm going to concede Eminem and attack anilyst and afro as people who frequently cheat by repeating or altering the way to say words in order to achieve their rhyme frequency. Eminem doest this altering too but I will just concede he's good at it.
Then I will explain how kool G isn't close to being a good rhymer and his style of rap is so utterly pathetic that even a 12 year old could write his lyrics, his strength is in the depth of the topics he addresses and how he avoided getting corrupted by the rap game in the same way Pac did for most of his career (but not the ending of it).
Then I will explain how Rittz, Paz, Tech and even your favourite K-Rino are actually superior at rhyming without abusing anunciation-altering of words or frequently repeating words too much with Rittz being one of the only rappers to never ever cheat in any way and yet rhyme at such insane frequency and brutal flow and eloquence in his raps with extremely consistently high quality/.
So you want to make your own team and debate against the rappers I originally proposed?
I'll bring tech as my replacement to em then
Eminem is a way better rhymer than them. You must be smoking peyote nuggets.
I thought you had four for some reason. I wanted us both to have Eminem and discuss the top ranks. Eminem is below rittZ in my ranking. He is also below Paz.
I am a better authority on what is better than 5 year olds and people who listen to lil pump.
Oh, well you didn't specify that you are the sole arbiter of what is better. Maybe lead with that next time.
that's over 300 mill views for that retarded shit and a few thousand for a genuine piece of art.
Yes and I'm sure it has sold more than Kahlil Gibran and Edgar Allen Poe as well, that doesn't make it more meaningful. How well something sells has nothing to do with whether or not it is better. Take a look at these two raps, notice that the one that is popular sucks and the one that isn't is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPxL7dO5XPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unMfKu9EAvk
Green Eggs and ham, using only only 50 distinct words, has sold better than any rap record.
Dr Seuss was good at producing LSD inspired nursery rhymes and drawings which told stories of his astral planes of LSD. He was not a particularly advanced rhymer though in terms of the structure of his rhyme schemes.
I see, you want it 4 vs 4. I'll do it your way but there's a chance having Em on your team will win you the debate in and of itself. You can have Em on your side and I'll use the other 4 although I actually think Eminem is the best of them in terms of rhyming. I might also replace Anylist with Clokworx who I don't think you've heard of.
Dr. Seuss
I want Em on my team as well
I will enter this with Em, Rittz, Devlin and Paz
Can I have Eminem on my team?