The topic of whether God of the Bible is omnipotent or not

1. Omnipotent
   
1. Definition:  (of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
   
2. Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/omnipotent
   
2. Almighty
   
1. Definition: Having complete power; omnipotent.
   
2. Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/almighty
   
3. Note:  Almighty is synonymous with Omnipotent.
   
3. Sovereignty
   
1. Definition: Supreme power or authority.
   
2. Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sovereignty
   
3. Note:  This term may come up in the debate so just want to clarify it here.
   

1. "Y is absolutely omnipotent" means that "Y" can do anything that can be expressed in a string of words even if it is self-contradictory: "Y" is not bound by the laws of logic."[6]
   

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9

Citation 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

That article, along with my 1st round argument, disproves that ANY god wouldn't be omnipotent.

• ANY God
  
• We're not arguing about "ANY god," according to the debate resolution we're arguing about the "God of the Bible."  I think it would be helpful if we focus on Him, so there's no confusion.
  
• "along with my 1st round argument,"
  
• My opponent asked that I wait till they bring up their Round 1 argument statements before I refute.  My opponent's statement "...along with my 1st round argument..." leaves me with nothing specific to rebut.  I would ask my opponent to be more pointed in their request.
  

Although this: 

1. "Y is absolutely omnipotent" means that "Y" can do anything that can be expressed in a string of words even if it is self-contradictory: "Y" is not bound by the laws of logic."[6]
   

Prove, how would that happen? Then, prove why God gives me not the answer of that? Why would God choose to not to answer this? He is not, he can't answer, or he can't answer me as good as possible? or not as fast? or choose to not answer this? Either way, God is not omnipotent. I probably stated this last argument, but because I am in bed using Computer in a time in a time I am not supposed to use, I don't mind but to keep going here. I am not omnipotent.

Bible citations:

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

Suppose God is omnipotent, but he can't even force out the people because they just have metallic chariot?

• Judges 1:19, "The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron." (NIV)
  
• Explanation:  It's clear here that it's not God, but the men of Judah that were unable to drive the people from the plains.
  
• Source: https://biblehub.com/judges/1-19.htm
  

“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9

God cannot bring people back, even Jesus. So he can't disobey fate? God is not omnipotent. Jesus will be bad? change him good. There is a reason to do everything. If you are omnipotent, there is a reason to do anything. If he is not flawed, he would use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't" consider he can do it if he is omnipotent. 

• Job 19:26, "And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;" (NIV)
  
• Explanation:  Clearly Job here believes in a bodily resurrection to immortality, so then is there a contradiction between Job 19:26 and Job 7:9?  Not at all, please read below.
  
• Source: https://biblehub.com/job/19-26.htm
  
• Job 7:8-10, "8. The eye that now sees me will see me no longer; you will look for me, but I will be no more. 9. As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so one who goes down to the grave does not return. 10. He will never come to his house again; his place will know him no more." (NIV)
  
• Explanation:  If you look at the passage in context, you'll notice that verse 10 says "He will never come to his house again." So when verse 7 says,  "does not return, it's not talking about the resurrection to an immortal body to glorification, but rather returning to his house - his circumstance before death." 
  
• Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+7%3A8-10&version=NIV
  
• Stated Questions
  
• "God cannot bring people back, even Jesus." 
  
• -He can, He did, and He will.  See verse Job 19:26 above.  I think I explained this well.
  
• "So he can't disobey fate?"
  
• - Don't understand. 
  
• "Jesus will be bad? change him good."
  
• -What?  Don't understand.
  
• "There is a reason to do everything. If you are omnipotent, there is a reason to do anything."
  
• -To my opponent, if you could ask this question in a more understandable manner, I would be happy to answer.
  
• "If he is not flawed, he would use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't" consider he can do it if he is omnipotent."
  
• Respectfully, to my opponent, if you would rephrase this question in a more pointed understandable manner, than I would be happy to answer.
  

How, and why do you know God is omnipotent?

How did he tell you? If he didn't, you will still know what reason he does it?

Give me reason. Give me reason that we suffer. Give me reason that Innocent children die. I can use all the reasons common atheists use, but even then, a god that is not perfectly omnipotent can rationally exist. Give me examples for all these points above. Now it is your turn to place fruit on the platter. I want to see how you will do against all my arguments.

• "Give me a reason that we suffer"
  
• Not sure what kind of suffering you are talking about.  If you could provide me with an example of what suffering you are referring to I would gladly answer.  If you are talking about suffering in the overarching general sense of all of creation, then I would direct you to Genesis 3:17
  
• Genesis 3:17, "To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life." (NIV)
  
• Explanation: When Sin enter Creation that is when suffering entered.  It is also when Death entered.
  
• Source: https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-17.htm
  
• "Give me reason that Innocent children die."
  
• Simply stated because they are mortal beings and all mortal beings die once.
  
• Hebrews 9:27, "Just as people are destined to die once..." (NIV)
  
• Source: https://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-27.htm
  
• Note: Neither of these two questions disprove the Omnipotence of God, they prove that Sin has consequences.
  

 ANY God

• We're not arguing about "ANY god," according to the debate resolution we're arguing about the "God of the Bible."  I think it would be helpful if we focus on Him, so there's no confusion.
  

• "Y is not bound by the laws of logic."
  
• -If Y represents God than I would agree with that statement, but with a caveat and that would be, define, "laws of logic."
  

Bible citations:

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

Suppose God is omnipotent, but he can't even force out the people because they just have metallic chariot?

I would ask my opponent if they would in the future state what translation of the Bible they are quoting.  This would be helpful in rebutting their arguments.

The translation of Judges 1:19 is critical here.  My goto translation is the New International Version (NIV), so that is what I will use...

• Judges 1:19, "The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron." (NIV)
  
• Explanation:  It's clear here that it's not God, but the men of Judah that were unable to drive the people from the plains.
  
• Source: https://biblehub.com/judges/1-19.htm
  

“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9

God cannot bring people back, even Jesus. So he can't disobey fate? God is not omnipotent. Jesus will be bad? change him good. There is a reason to do everything. If you are omnipotent, there is a reason to do anything. If he is not flawed, he would use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't" consider he can do it if he is omnipotent. 

I would like to answer this contention in three parts...

• Job 19:26, "And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;" (NIV)
  
• Explanation:  Clearly Job here believes in a bodily resurrection to immortality, so then is there a contradiction between Job 19:26 and Job 7:9?  Not at all, please read below.
  
• Source: https://biblehub.com/job/19-26.htm
  

• Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
• Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus 19:27
  
• Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Exodus 23:19
  
• If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15 NLT
  
• No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
  
• Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same. Luke 3:11 NIV
  
• Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place. Ephesians 5:4 NIV

• All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10
  

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

Over to my worthy opponent.  The fruit is on your platter!

Any god counts all the defined god, real or not. Christian god counts towards "any god". An argument that proves Any god will, of course, prove the Christian God, vice versa.

What you can think of? Suppose, How could God create a rock he can't lift(if he can lift it, the rock is not unliftable; if he can't, then he cannot create such a rock, so either way he is not omnipotent) and in a binary universe(in which he either did it or didn't)?

Suppose, he can, then Why don't I know it?

This is the 3rd time in a row I am saying this. Not like I am tired or not.

Suppose I don't get the answer, then I will use the argument itself(God cannot give me the answer), I will rebel against God:

What he doesn't want? So to prevent this, God would either erase me, give me the answer, or make our human little brain mature and evolved enough to understand it.

Yes. That is what God would do. Give me an explanation of why God would not.

Again, restate my first round: If God can do everything, he can also "do nothing". Can "do nothing" means he cannot do Everything. So either God cannot "do nothing" or he can't do anything.

1. How did God create the Heavens and The Earth out of nothing?  Genesis 1:1 
   
2. Explain in detail how Yahweh created Light by just speaking it? Genesis 1:3
   
3. How did the Holy Spirit Impregnate the Virgin Mary?  Matthew 1:18
   
4. Describe how Jesus healed a blind man with mud? John 9:1-7
   

• Obviously our Human minds can't fully comprehend the mind of Yahweh.  If we could then Yahweh would not be God.
  
• Romans 11:33-36, "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!  How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! “Who has known the mind of the Lord?  Or who has been his counselor?” “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?" For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen." (NIV)
  

~ That proves me as well. If God is in charge and there, he would at least tell me why I am wrong. Since he could do everything he would make sure I get the message(and I would if I did). If God doesn't bother, it is no need to create Christianity, as well. God would erase Atheism, Zoroastrianism, as well as all sufferings that didn't deserve to happen. God could easily erase war as well as the Coronavirus pandemic. God did not, which is no reason he is omnipotent, consider he SHOULD be able to erase them and end sufferings that have no positive impact on the earth. 

• Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
  
• Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus 19:27
  
• Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Exodus 23:19
  
• If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15 NLT
  
• No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
  
• Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same. Luke 3:11 NIV
  
• Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place. Ephesians 5:4 NIV
  

Give me a reason these 7 quotes even exist.

Against why can't I wear clothes of 2 different materials? It is a fashion and I love them.

Against God could simply erase this quote, or respond to my inquiry. 

• All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10
  

Seaweed, Seashells, abalones, they are all delicious, and all of them are as harmless as salmon and tuna. Give me a reason why this is correct.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18

God kills for...reasons. tell me why.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

God promotes slavery. This is outdated.

Source:https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/

God would not write these things, these stupid and confusing rules, and things if he is omnipotent because he can plant the bible in our brain. Justify all these quotes.

Not that, but How do you know God is not lying? It may disprove my points, but also yours too.

My opponent states that the "Christian god counts towards 'any god'."  The problem with that statement is 1).  My opponent and I agreed to debate the omnipotence of the "God of the Bible" as per the stated resolution, "The topic of whether God of the Bible is omnipotent or not" and 2). My opponent's use of the term "any gods" is incorrect because not all gods are considered omnipotent as is the case for Yahweh.  To prove my point I only need to show one other deity as not omnipotent.  See below...

God defeats the prophets of Baal and shows that Baal is not omnipotent

God can do nothing and he can do everything.  It's called His sovereignty.  There are times in History where Yahweh was silent, did nothing.

Maybe Yahweh doesn't want to give you the answer?  He's God you're not.  I elaborate on this below

Round 3 Arguments

...due to lack of room I'm only making one argument in this round.

• Yahweh displays His Omnipotence through His Sovereignty
  
• Let me repeat the definition of Soverignty from Round 1, "Supreme power or authority."  Basically this means that Yahweh can and will do whatever He wants to do for whatever reason He wants to do it.  He is God Almighty.
  
• Verses that support God's Sovereignty 
  
• Romans 9:20-21, "But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this? Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" (NIV) 
  
• Isaiah 64:8, "Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand." (NIV)
  

This isn't a question about Yahweh's omnipotence.  If you want me to answer this then send me a debate invite about the Omniscience of God.

Against why can't I wear clothes of 2 different materials? It is a fashion and I love them.

You can wear them if you want.  This verse was written to Israelites in Old Testament times.  I assume you're a Gentile?  And of course you're not living in Old Testament times, so good news, you're off the hook.

Because someone recorded them?

Sorry for not knowing that this debate existed for the past 2 days.

Hopefully, I can still deliver a meaningful message that acts as an add-on to my previous ones in the past week.

No, "ANY GOD" means any god, and I mean it. I did prove it,...

...God could either be a highly-advanced alien or he can even be our mind itself...

...Either way, using the Bible and only the Bible is not a reliable source...

• "Both sides assuming God exists. We argue from the Bible.
  

I don't know who "Baal" is, but hey tell me, how can God both do everything and nothing at a binary timeline?

...You failed to prove that God is truly omnipotent...

Remember that without blind faith, the entire bible could be a joke or it could be a knowledge bait for the entire humanity. You never know, and you can't prove Yhwh without using a somewhat-unreliable source.

What if Yhwh doesn't give me the answer? I will rebel against God that God is not omnipotent and God is a liar, resulting in religious failure.

Isn't this what God NOT want? To answer me means to ensure the survival of religion, which is what he wants. If he didn't answer, then it would mean either he doesn't care about Christianity, or doesn't exist, meaning that:

1. God may not even exist

2. God cares not Religion, meaning the entire holy book is fake and unreliable, and because logic prevents God to be omnipotent, and God wouldn't answer meaning the bible is a hoax, and it is not reliable. God is not omnipotent.

And that is how. there is NO WAY that God would give me the answer because otherwise, I can simply steal the earth away from him from rational speakings. Yhwh could simply not let that happen by sending an answer in which I didn't receive. It could also mean that "God" is nonexistent in which a fictional being didn't do anything.

I meant not to be offensive but you need first to prove that the Bible is true.

God needs no "power" over human just like we see no "power" in the rationalistic and atheistic law and order, we only see "power" in God. God is not law and order, and he should be, and it is the only way it is if he doesn't want rebels.

Suppose one person smacks you in the butt once you do something wrong, and the other just changes the brain to make everything you do correctly. The former is Yhwh, unsurprisingly.

The only reason God even wrote the bible is that he can't change our brains.

He can certainly change our brains consider after the change, everything we do will be good. There is no need for a god to lecture us consider he can print all these words in our brain, which is much more efficient than to let full historians spend ages to write their words, and if so, God wouldn't let them write them. If God had no abilities to do that though, that is why we have the bible, and it is not imprinted in our brain. Logic is not a religion and we don't need to serve God consider he can fulfill every single drop he needs and wants. 

Omnipotent= Do everything

Omniscience= Know everything.

If he is omnipotent, he is also omniscient... because he can tell everything to me, which is something to do. If God knows something but was unable to express it to me, then he is not omnipotent.

God would update them to let us get the correct knowledge considering we matter to him. Or how about imprint in the brains?

Why would God let humans record HIS works when he can "poof" the entire bible in front of everyone's eyes?

• vs 31, "He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." NIV
  

Plus, answer my question regarding WHY ARE THERE DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS? God should be able to translate his words into every language.

 "I, as the declarer of the present debate, state that I will debate for the perspective in which the Biblical God is not omnipotent; "

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Zeno

"ANY GOD" cannot refer to all gods because not all gods are the same.  At any rate, I ask my opponent to honor their own debate resolution and debate description or else I appeal to the voters to consider, at the minimum, Conduct points should go to Pro for Con's refusal to honor debate agreements.

On the contrary, I have proven Yahweh's omnipotence from the Bible, which was our agreed on source. 

Consider the following thought, if the God of the Bible, Yahweh, created everything in the cosmos, then Yahweh is not bound by human logic, but rather human logic is bound by Yahweh.

Good luck with that. Christianity has survived untold attempts at its destruction and yet it is still the number one religion in the world.  (Source)

Maybe Yahweh is doesn't want to answer you?  That doesn't mean that He is not omnipotent.  Maybe He just wants to answer people that are genuinely seeking Him

Sorry but this is not a debate about the authenticity of the Bible.  Also you, dear opponent, have proposed that we are to use the Bible as the primary source.  So which is it?  A reliable source or not?

We don't know what Yahweh wants.  Maybe someday we'll know, but for now, I don't know and neither do you.  God is omnipotent and sovereign and does whatever the heck He wants.  Excuse my french.

It's God's call, not ours, but I think I alluded to the fact that Old Testament laws and regulations are different than in the New Testament, especially the  Pauline Epistles.

• vs 31, "He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." NIV
  

If Yahweh handed His finished words to everyone on a gold platter, maybe they wouldn't appreciate the "search" as much. And it is His omnipotent right.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Zeno

This is the equivalent of Yhwh in a fictional universe, but this is not real. So how could something be omnipotent if it can't be real? Since omnipotent beings can do anything, it should be real. So far, all these I wrote, including the outdated quotes of the bible, is to prove that God of the Bible is false and is not real and cannot be real. 

Give me a reason why people don't want to trust God and give me another reason why God doesn't need all people to trust him, despite being "correct"?

• ...don't know that He loves them and wants them to accept Jesus as their savior.  This is a failure of Christians to evangelize not a failure of God's Omnipotence
  
• Romans 10:14, "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" (NIV)
  
• ...refuse to put their trust in Him.  We are all created with Free Will, we are not unthinking robots.  Some trust Yahweh some choose something else
  
• Psalm 20:7, "Some trust in chariots, and some in horses, but we trust the name of Yahweh our God." (WEB)
  

What, don't want to change their brains? hehe, God can just erase disbelieving memories and make them obey with no recognition pain at all.

• Joshua 24:15a, "But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, " (NIV)
  

God could erase all sufferings. And if you don't know his plan, why doesn't he tell you the plan?

...If we recognize him as a being, that means he is not omnipotent ...

IGNORANCE 100

...but the most vital answers are not given. (Why does God exist?)

No one needs to seek him if he is truly omnipotent...'

If the bible is not real, then that means Yhwh cannot be real. Period.

Now tell me, Why does Yahweh exist? Any religious person SHOULD know because that is the BASE of all his knowledge.

Ah, inconsistencies. If the bible needs explanations after 2000 years, maybe it is too confusing, and why doesn't Yhwh want us to know it? Does he want to make it all things confusing? 

That proves why God is not omnipotent because he can't make a disbeliever trust what he says.

Search? why not imprint this in everyone's brain? Why gotta write & search on top of someone else's ideas?

"Why does God not lie?", and if he says "Because he said so" that is the equivalent of my friends saying "Y'all shall be dead because my momma said so."

1. My first comment was to clarify the rules of the debate.  Before I accept debate challenges I like to attempt a strategic advantage in some way.  My goal was to get my opponent to admit that God of the Bible exists and that debate would proceed with that affirmation.  I felt this would be a small advantage for me.
   
2. My opponent responds by making 2 very important statements
   
1. Both sides assuming God exists.
   
2. We argue from the Bible.
   
3. When I saw these 2 statements by my opponent I immediately accepted the debate challenge, because not only did I get my small advantage of having my opponent admit the existence of God of the Bible, but they also sweetened the pot by saying we were both going to argue from the Bible.  This was, in the vernacular of Tennis, "Game-Set-Match", because I knew I could argue and argue well from the Bible for the Omnipotence of God.  And my opponent would be at a severe disadvantage arguing against the omnipotence of God from the Bible, not that it couldn't be done, but I felt I was up to the challenge.
   

• Okay so here we are in Round 5, the last round and not only has my opponent barely made any argument from the Bible (some but very few compared to their logic arguments), but they have criticized my use of using the Bible.  Even calling the Bible an unreliable source?   This "unreliable source" was their stated rules of the debate!?
  

• The debate resolution clearly states we are arguing about the God of the Bible.  In the description section of the debate in the first paragraph, my opponent clearly states the debate is over the "Biblical God."  My opponent has over and over throughout the debate not singled out the  Biblical God, but lumped him into "Any god."  I attempted to refute this inaccuracy and call them out on it and asked that they refocus on the subject of this debate, which is the Biblical God, and still to this round the have refused to acknowledge the subject of this debate, Yahweh.  Another violation of the debate rules.
  

• This is the biggest objection and should weigh the most heavily on the minds of the voters.  My opponent clearly states in the comment section when discussing debate rules that they will debate "assuming God exists."  How can they believe that God exists if they have throughout this debate denied the existence of God even lumping Him into a comparison with a fictitious anime character?  My only conclusion is they tricked me into a debate on false pretenses?