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#1413

Mass shooters do not target gun free zones

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After 6 votes and with 17 points ahead, the winner is...

billbatard
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To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Last September, when a troubled man working at a sign manufacturer in Minneapolis was told he would be let go, he pulled out a 9mm Glock and killed six people and injured another before putting a bullet in his own head. Similar tragedies unfolded at a beer distributor in Connecticut in 2010 and at a plastics factory in Kentucky in 2008.

Or consider the 12 school shootings we documented, in which all but one of the killers had personal ties to the school they struck. FBI investigators learned from one witness, for example, that the mass shooter in Newtown had long been fixated on Sandy Hook Elementary School, which he’d once attended.To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Last September, when a troubled man working at a sign manufacturer in Minneapolis was told he would be let go, he pulled out a 9mm Glock and killed six people and injured another before putting a bullet in his own head. Similar tragedies unfolded at a beer distributor in Connecticut in 2010 and at a plastics factory in Kentucky in 2008.

Or consider the 12 school shootings we documented, in which all but one of the killers had personal ties to the school they struck. FBI investigators learned from one witness, for example, that the mass shooter in Newtown had long been fixated on Sandy Hook Elementary School, which he’d once attended.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/no-mass-shooters-do-not-target-gun-free-zones/

Round 1
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billbatard
Pro
#1
Forfeited
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DroneYoinker
Con
#2
Well for starters you need to not copy paste the same thing over and over again. You really didn't seem to put any emotion or thought in, you merely went to a website, copied what they said and called that your argument.

You say shooters don't go shooting up places specifically because they are gun free zones. That is true. A shooter will not commit the act solely based on the fact that it is a gun free zone, however that is not what anyone is saying. All the attacks have happened on gun free zones, and to assume that that is not at least part of the decision process then you truly are ignorant.

A shooter will attack a school because it will get them the recognition they want, and it will cause chaos that they set out to ensue. Not only that but they recognize it is an easy target due to the fact that it is a gun free zone. 

While I agree with you that places are not shot up merely based on the fact that they are gun free, it would be ignorant and naive to assume that that is not at least part of the decision process. 

Round 2
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billbatard
Pro
#3
You want my thoughts? here they are, and if you want i will provide documentation . The evidence is whether or not a site is gun free of not makes no difference, shooters target places almost always for personal reasons a place of work an ex wifes place of work , a church a synogue, places where one can find racial groups one doesn't like there is not one  example  of a shooter targeting an area because of its gun free status Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Last September, when a troubled man working at a sign manufacturer in Minneapolis was told he would be let go, he pulled out a 9mm Glock and killed six people and injured another before putting a bullet in his own head. Similar tragedies unfolded at a beer distributor in Connecticut in 2010 and at a plastics factory in Kentucky in 2008.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/no-mass-shooters-do-not-target-gun-free-zones/
 i just want to point out to realy bad shootings that gay disco in   Florida    Pulse nightclub you know there was an armed guard right?  50 deaths  and the armed guard? useless  Gruler, a 15-year veteran of the Orlando Police Department, was at the club, in uniform, working security. He traded gunfire with Mateen before the gunman made his way further into the club. That’s according to the Orlando Police Department."https://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/orlando-club-had-armed-security/    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/orlando-club-had-armed-security/  https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/03/555309426/las-vegas-massacre-prompts-musician-to-call-for-gun-control-enough-is-enough  vegas shooting ? people had guns they were usless https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/03/555309426/las-vegas-massacre-prompts-musician-to-call-for-gun-control-enough-is-enough"We actually have members of our crew with CHL [concealed handgun license] licenses, and legal firearms on the bus," Keeter said. "They were useless. We couldn't touch them for fear the police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us."
He described writing to his loved ones and creating a living will, as performers, fans, and staff tried to find safety during the prolonged assault.

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DroneYoinker
Con
#4
Forfeited
Round 3
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billbatard
Pro
#5
My opponent has fofieted bad debater bad! my main point is simple and it pretty clear whether or not they end up in a gun free zone, shooters dont target them because they are gun free zones, there something else buzzing around their crazy suicidal bonnet, like revenge, or rage, or a specific person there is absolutelt zero evidence people decide to go to gu fre zones because they are soft targets  most of these people are sporting for a fight and dont care if others have guns as was the case in nevada and the pulse nightclubs , its a fake talking point 
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DroneYoinker
Con
#6
Forfeited
Round 4
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billbatard
Pro
#7
Singapore is basically of a gun free  zone thats works, no guns no crime, if you try to sell black market guns they hang you, drugs too, a bit harsh i agree, but in a city the size of chicago there were last year 14 homicides 14 and no one shoooting not one https://www.thefinder.com.sg/healthy-living/ask-the-experts/dear-world-heres-what-life-without-guns-singapore-expat-andrea/  Singapore has no guns. In fact, it has one of the toughest and most successful gun control laws in the world – according to the 1973 Arms Offences Act, unlawful possession or carrying of firearms is punishable with imprisonment of up to 14 years and caning of six strokes. Worse, using or attempting to use arms when committing a scheduled offense is punishable with death, as is trafficking in arms.
It’s pretty clear around here. No guns

So, many people outside of Singapore wonder what that’s like. Here you go: It’s awesome. We don’t need them because we feel safe; and we feel safe because people do not have guns. We don’t have to worry about how unstable or angry people might react if they lost it and had access to guns. Because, no guns.

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DroneYoinker
Con
#8
Forfeited
Round 5
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billbatard
Pro
#9
Again I must point out the elephant in the room poor conduct and no response from the opposition , i wish to repeat my main point out my main point its more or less a co incidence if shooters end up in gun free zones, the motive for their attack revenge against a specific person or group of people transends the presence of guns  gun free zones do not motivate the shooters studies show , the motive  is  always some other reason usually a personal grudge or vendetta 
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DroneYoinker
Con
#10
Forfeited