Instigator / Pro

billbatard

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Topic

#1412

Huey Long was what American really needed at his time

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

billbatard

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Politics

Parameters

Publication date: 09.17.2019 09:01AM
Last updated date: 10.08.2019 01:18AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

RationalMadman

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Description

Huey Long was what the Nation needed at the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMUx4AQl5tI he was authoritarian but was not brutal and helped the poor and he was planning to stop communism, he wanted something else between capitalism and communism

Round 1

billbatard

09.17.2019 11:55AM

Pro

Huey long was a thug he had no respect at all fo the constitution , or political niceties such as protocol , but he cared about the common folk so in bad times like he was in, he was the man for the job https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMUx4AQl5tI

RationalMadman

09.20.2019 09:42AM

Con

There is so far zero definition of 'need' and 'really need'.

The context of the debate implies that America couldn't cope without Huey Long as their leader or some such statement. Even if he wasn't leader, why did they need him at all? What is this 'really need' concept anyway? Can you need something that you don't really need or vice versa?

I don't get it.

Round 2

billbatard

09.20.2019 01:22PM

Pro

You look at poverty rates today, the rates of inequality today that are just growing and growing FDR did a lot to create the middle class and help unions improve the lives of workers.. Huey LONG would have done more , and made reversing those policies impossible

RationalMadman

09.23.2019 01:22PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 3

billbatard

09.23.2019 06:49PM

Pro

Every man a king! every man a king every man a millionare!

RationalMadman

09.26.2019 04:35PM

Con

1 : necessary duty : OBLIGATION

2 a: a lack of something requisite, desirable, or useful

b: a physiological or psychological requirement for the well-being of an organism

3 : a condition requiring supply or relief

- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/need

So far, Pro has only proven that to Pro themselves, Huey Long would be desirable. Huey long wasn't what America needed because he never did serve, yet America was fine anyway. He could have been removed entirely from America's history, not even born, and another timeline would occur that Pro can't prove would in any way have left America hampered or unable to exist and/or thrive.

Round 4

billbatard

09.28.2019 03:11AM

Pro

Is America fine now? is it? Huey long would have made Reagan impossible

RationalMadman

10.01.2019 01:18AM

Con

It is.

RationalMadman

10.07.2019 10:10PM

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@David

@bsh1

nice vote modding.

Trent0405

10.02.2019 01:34AM

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@RationalMadman

@David

It's not on the voter to determine who has the BoP, correct me if I'm wrong.

It's on the debaters to prove to the voters who has the BoP, you failed to do so in my eyes RM.

Am I correct here, the COC voting guide doesn't state how i'm wrong from what I observed.

bmdrocks21

10.02.2019 01:25AM

I don't even know how to begin judging this. So I won't

RationalMadman

10.02.2019 01:04AM

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@Trent0405

How did he prove the need?

RationalMadman

10.02.2019 01:03AM

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@David

how does trent explained how our arguments are tied or how Pro met his BoP at all?

billbatard

09.28.2019 03:12AM

opponent bad conduct forfiet just sayin

billbatard

09.20.2019 01:23PM

He helped the poor

Trent0405

10.02.2019 12:20AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Neither side made a convincing argument.

Pro R1- Huey was for the common folk(unsubstantiated).

Con R1-states his confusion with the resolution.

Pro R2- FDR was good for America, Huey would've done more

Con R2- Forfeiture, CONDUCT to Pro as a result.

Pro R3-Nothing worth noting.

Con R3- America did fine without Huey.

Pro/Con R4- No noteworthy points.

Neither side went deep into why Huey was or wasn't needed, both sides best arguments would be okay if they gave me a sufficient evidence to back up their claims, e.g break down why Huey would've done more than FDR, or why/how he would make the polices irreversible.
It's only the forfeiture that implores me to vote Pro.