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God created Morality
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TheRealNihilist
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Gods moral system effect's us biologically.
Giving to the poor can help with an assortment of different diseases like Hiv/aids and other chronic diseases and can even add years to one's life. This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically.
This disproves Evolution because Morals are not something taught to us by our parents.
This is like if i murdered children and my eyes turned red or yellow to show that i am evil.
Round 1
Pro
#1
I want to keep this simple and thanks for taking this.
Gods moral system effect's us biologically.
Giving to the poor can help
with an assortment of different diseases like Hiv/aids and other chronic
diseases and can even add years to one's life.
This is because Gods
moral system effects us biologically.
Giving is good for our health. A wide range of research has linked different forms of generosity to better health, even among the sick and elderly. In his book Why Good Things Happen to Good People, Stephen Post, a professor of preventative medicine at Stony Brook University, reports that giving to others has been shown to increase health benefits in people with chronic illness, including HIV and multiple sclerosis.
Con
#2
Thanks to crossed for creating this debate.
I will also keep this simple.
Morality: descriptively to refer to certain codes of conduct put forward by a society or a group (such as a religion), or accepted by an individual for her own behavior,
From this we can gather morality is rules put in place to state what is right or wrong. Given we have no way to state objectively what is right or wrong without axioms it is subjective. Meaning God created morality is simply you version of subjective morality not something that can be recognized to affirm a higher being or not. My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.
Gods moral system effect's us biologically.Giving to the poor can help with an assortment of different diseases like Hiv/aids and other chronic diseases and can even add years to one's life.This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically.
From this link:
The link sites a study that elderly people are less likely to die. The best reason they came to was it reduces stress. I am not here to disagree with the findings of the link instead tell me how God created morality from old people are less likely to die over a 5 year period. You simply accepted God created morality as an axiom which can be seen with the sentence you typed that I copied here which is what the debate is about. Please tell me how God created morality instead of using it as an axiom.
Over to you crossed.
Round 2
Pro
#3
Sorry for procrastinating.
The article makes it very clear that they do not know why this happens. They try to explain it with theory like maybe it is stress. But they facts are a bunch of people who gave others got health benefits that helped with many chronic diseases like HIV. Which is pretty specific if you ask me.Besides it is foolish to think that stress is the only emotion that can kill. love anger happiness can all effect us biologically to. An example would be during the aftermath of the great war. a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love. Even though they were medically treated fine.
Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.
Besides where is the stress in this situation.
Giving is good for our health. A wide range of research has linked different forms of generosity to better health, even among the sick and elderly. In his book Why Good Things Happen to Good People, Stephen Post, a professor of preventative medicine at Stony Brook University, reports that giving to others has been shown to increase health benefits in people with chronic illness, including HIV and multiple sclerosis.
You have to assume that everyone who give to others is stressed. Which can not possibly be true. Plus why would giving to other relieve one of stress. It should increase stress.Clearly stress did not cause this
A 1999 study led by Doug Oman of the University of California, Berkeley, found that elderly people who volunteered for two or more organizations were 44 percent less likely to die over a five-year period than were non-volunteers, even after controlling for their age, exercise habits, general health, and negative health habits like smoking. Stephanie Brown of the University of Michigan
Again where is the stress in this situation. People who volunteered added 5 years to there life's added 5 years there lives. So you have to assume that people who do not volunteer/give are stressed out people and that is why they do not volunteer/give. Which is clearly so untrue. Then you have to assume that volunteering/giving relieves stress. Which is not true
Clearly this is not what is happening. Giving to others is one of Gods commandments and if you obey it. you add years to your life.So the bible is true. So Gods morale law effects us biologically
"If you walk in My ways, keeping My statutes and commandments, as your father David walked, then I will prolong your days."
In fact one of his commandments is going to church. If you go to church you add 14 years to your life.I think we can agree that going to church is considered a morally good thing by god. If you participate in this morally good thing by god you add 14 years to your life.Gods morals effected us biologically
Attending religious services once a week has been shown to add between four and 14 years to life expectancy, according to researchers who study blue zones. Who don’t belong to a church?
I believe that is is possible for morality to effect you like biologically like it does in the movies.Because Gods moral system is in play.
For example in how to train your dragon 2. Toothless try's to save hiccup from the bewilder beast And because Toothless loves hiccup so much he biologically changes and starts to glow blue in order to save him. His morals effected him biologically
The seen shows 2 people being changing because A moral system is in play. The bad guy heart is hardened by god because he does bad stuff. He did so many bad thing that he does not feel guilty when he does bad things and toothless who changed biologically because he loves hiccup.
stuff like Toothless changing biologically because of love can really happen.
Have you ever heard of stories of when someone child is trapped underneath the car and the dad through the power of love becomes super strong. Gods morals effected him biologically. He become super strong through the power of love.
Yes, You Really Can Lift a Car Off a Trapped Child
The Science Behind Seemingly Impossible Feats of Strength
some guy lifted 3000 pounds car which is 3 times higher then the world record of lifting 1000 pounds of dumbbells. So this is not some placebo thing his morals effected him biologically and made him super human.He broke the 1000 pound dumbbell record by 3 times 3000 pounds.All because love effected him. biologically
As I write in the story, Boyle accomplished an almost unthinkable feat of strength. The world record for dead-lifting a barbell is 1,003 pounds. A stock Camaro weighs 3000 pounds. So how did Boyle pull it off? Here's how I explain it in the story:
He became 3 times stronger then the world strongest man in an instant because of the power of love.Gods morals effect us biologically.This is not simply he had this power all along.The article goes on how love and fear of loosing someone can make you instantly strong. 3 times stronger then the world record of lifting dumbbells.
One of the easiest observable moral is the fact that god hardens hearts. If you do bad thing. Over time you loose the ability to feel bad about it. This is because Gods morals effect us biologically.I recognized this by looking at myself and looking at everyone else.
The LORD said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.
If you do bad things god will harden your heart so you do not feel bad. This is because God Moral system is effecting you biologically. This can easily be seen to be true just by observing people.
Conclusion.Gods Morals effect us biologically.
Giving to others can help with many chronic diseases. Because gods morals effect us biologically
If you go to church. You can add up to 14 years to your life. This is because it is a morally good to go to church and gods morals effect us biologically.
You can become 3 times stronger then the strongest man in order to lift a car. In order to save a child. Because gods morals effect us biologically.Love can change us biologically
We become less likely to feel emotion for others when we do bad things. This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically and God hardens are heart.
Block rebuttal
From this we can gather morality is rules put in place to state what is right or wrong
I agree. Going to church is a rule set by god and is morally right. If you obey it you add years to your life. So is giving to others and my other examples.
My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.
Agree prove that morals are just something taught to us by parents.
The link sites a study that elderly people are less likely to die. The best reason they came to was it reduces stress
It says that many chronic diseases can be prevented by giving to others and you live longer. You have assume that these people were stressed out before they gave to others and that giving reduced the stress.. Why would giving to other reduce stress. should not giving increase stress?
Oh and extra.
We are hardwired/created to worship God. Here is an article of atheist saying they are smarter because they Quote on quote override the programming to worship.
Atheists Are More Intelligent Because They Override Religious Instinct, Study Claim
We are hardwired/created to worship god.
Over to TheRealNihilist
Con
#4
Thanks to crossed for creating his argument.
If it wasn't clear already. My opponent yet again is gish galloping, didn't answer the core problem I had and the rebuttals against me were non-sequiturs.
The article makes it very clear that they do not know why this happens. They try to explain it with theory like maybe it is stress. But they facts are a bunch of people who gave others got health benefits that helped with many chronic diseases like HIV. Which is pretty specific if you ask me.Besides it is foolish to think that stress is the only emotion that can kill. love anger happiness can all effect us biologically to. An example would be during the aftermath of the great war. a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love. Even though they were medically treated fine.
Where is the link to this article?
An example would be during the aftermath of the great war. a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love. Even though they were medically treated fine.
How can you die from a lack of love? From what I know people cease to function when the heart stops beating or the brain doesn't transmit signals. Link
Besides where is the stress in this situation.
What are you arguing against? An article that I didn't use? This is a non-sequitur to what is going on so I have nothing say about this.
You have to assume that everyone who give to others is stressed. Which can not possibly be true. Plus why would giving to other relieve one of stress. It should increase stress.Clearly stress did not cause this
Yet again speaking about a position I don't have. This even by itself is not a right way of assessing anything. You question by saying "why would giving to other relieve one of stress" then instead of finding evidence regarding this you answer your own question by saying "It should increase stress" then by stating this you end up with the conclusion "Clearly stress did not cause this". A question you answered is not how you demonstrate your side to be right. You must demonstrate with evidence whatever this non-sequitur you are talking about to substantial.
Again where is the stress in this situation. People who volunteered added 5 years to there life's added 5 years there lives. So you have to assume that people who do not volunteer/give are stressed out people and that is why they do not volunteer/give. Which is clearly so untrue. Then you have to assume that volunteering/giving relieves stress. Which is not true
I don't even understand what is going on here.
Clearly this is not what is happening. Giving to others is one of Gods commandments and if you obey it. you add years to your life.So the bible is true. So Gods morale law effects us biologically
This is based on correlation equals causation with the study you brought in earlier with questions you answered yourself without referring to evidence that state your side to be correct. In order for God to impact us biologically you must demonstrate God existing then state the specific law God commanded to be correct. Without that I can simply say it is mother nature's law the reason why x occurs.
In fact one of his commandments is going to church. If you go to church you add 14 years to your life.I think we can agree that going to church is considered a morally good thing by god. If you participate in this morally good thing by god you add 14 years to your life.Gods morals effected us biologically
Not verified whatsoever. None of your claims even come close to stating attending church adds 14 years to your life. I wouldn't even know how to find evidence to even get to that conclusion yet you simply claim it to be so.
I believe that is is possible for morality to effect you like biologically like it does in the movies.Because Gods moral system is in play.For example in how to train your dragon 2. Toothless try's to save hiccup from the bewilder beast And because Toothless loves hiccup so much he biologically changes and starts to glow blue in order to save him. His morals effected him biologically
Your comparison doesn't fit because it is comparing a world where dragons are real which is not comparable to the creatures we know in reality. Yet again you have to demonstrate how it is God's law in play not simply use that as an axiom.
The seen shows 2 people being changing because A moral system is in play. The bad guy heart is hardened by god because he does bad stuff. He did so many bad thing that he does not feel guilty when he does bad things and toothless who changed biologically because he loves hiccup.stuff like Toothless changing biologically because of love can really happen.Have you ever heard of stories of when someone child is trapped underneath the car and the dad through the power of love becomes super strong. Gods morals effected him biologically. He become super strong through the power of love.
My earlier claims should work here as well.
He became 3 times stronger then the world strongest man in an instant because of the power of love.Gods morals effect us biologically.
You are not in anyway proving this. Yet again I am seeing the same problems yet you still decide to gish-gallop with virtually the same problems.
Conclusion.Gods Morals effect us biologically.Giving to others can help with many chronic diseases. Because gods morals effect us biologicallyIf you go to church. You can add up to 14 years to your life. This is because it is a morally good to go to church and gods morals effect us biologically.You can become 3 times stronger then the strongest man in order to lift a car. In order to save a child. Because gods morals effect us biologically.Love can change us biologicallyWe become less likely to feel emotion for others when we do bad things. This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically and God hardens are heart.
To conclude nothing at all is verified. These are all claims made about specific events without demonstrating how these specific events are influenced by God.
Block rebuttal
From this we can gather morality is rules put in place to state what is right or wrongI agree. Going to church is a rule set by god and is morally right. If you obey it you add years to your life. So is giving to others and my other examples.
Not evidence has been provided for the claim that church time equals longer life. Are you saying in church time is accelerated while the human isn't? Please do present these findings to scientists because I am sure they would be happy to research it.
My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.Agree prove that morals are just something taught to us by parents.
My claim wasn't it was taught by our parents. My claim is based on what we value. If that means we value what our parents say then morality is based on what our parents wishes. That still means morality is subjective because you require something to value in order to even make a claim about the subject. Without a value you can't even begin to speak about what is good or bad. Even when you found a value. That value is subjective because if I simply ask the question why do you value this over that and what standard you use. You won't have an objective standard instead you would have to use your feelings to justify what you pick because by virtue of you having a value is not an objective standard nor can it even come close to one.
The link sites a study that elderly people are less likely to die. The best reason they came to was it reduces stressIt says that many chronic diseases can be prevented by giving to others and you live longer. You have assume that these people were stressed out before they gave to others and that giving reduced the stress.. Why would giving to other reduce stress. should not giving increase stress?
This is not a rebuttal to what I said instead simply deciding to incorrectly read the study Pro gave to me.
Oh and extra.We are hardwired/created to worship God. Here is an article of atheist saying they are smarter because they Quote on quote override the programming to worship.Atheists Are More Intelligent Because They Override Religious Instinct, Study ClaimWe are hardwired/created to worship god.
An instinct doesn't equal intelligence. An instinct can be do act stupid to every single scenario so an instinct is not always equal to intelligence so you would have to demonstrate the link.
To summarize my opponent has gish galloped with points which makes it seem like he just found these site and decided to talk about it. There is no structure which is difficult to find his most strongest point and since all of them have the same issue. There wasn't a lot I needed to do to show the problems with what was said. I have yet to find the one objection I stated in Round 1 argued against sufficient which was " Please tell me how God created morality instead of using it as an axiom." or in an updated way "Yet again you have to demonstrate how it is God's law in play not simply use that as an axiom.".
Over to you crossed
Round 3
Pro
#5
Sorry for procrastinating.i don't like doing these debates it makes me feel bad. I have connected my points with bible quote's that say you live longer if you obey god.Good is something that helps you in some way.Bad is something that can kill you.Only an intelligent being can have a concept of good and bad.So evolution could not create life since that is a requirement.But God can
So it has to be god's Moral system.Since evolution does not have a moral system.I do not want to discuss aliens or other intelligent creator so God is real because of prophesy like pharmakeai
Gods Moral system effects all life.The creator created all objects with the concept of good and bad in mind
Our immune system helps good germs and not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the knowledge of good and bad in mind And can tell the difference between something good and something that is bad.
The appendix is a safe house for good germs but not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the concept of good and bad in mind.
olive oil kills cancer cells and not Good cells.The creator is intelligent and could distinguish between good and evil. This is Because the creator is intelligent and has knowledge of good and evil.
The apple feeds the good bacteria but Not the bad.The creator would need to have knowledge of good and evil to create life.
Gods Moral system effects all thing.Even apple's and immune systems
Wicked heart Wither the body.
Here is a list of my previous examples of morality effecting us biologically
- giving to other's can help with chronic diseases
- Baby's died from lack of love
- Man lifting a 3000 pound car to save a child.A near impossible feet.He broke the world record of 1003 pounds by almost 3 times Through the power of love
- Going to church can add 14 years to your life expectancy
I want to address some Misunderstanding in con's last argument.
Con seems to not understand how a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love
How can you die from a lack of love? From what I know people cease to function when the heart stops beating or the brain doesn't transmit signals. Link
You can die from lack of love because morals are not just something taught to us by our parents.but biological. But love is the most important thing.God made love biological.Being without love can be just as deadly as being without water or food.
Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.
this is the link To dead babies
Deprivation comes in many shapes and forms: lack of food, diseases, maltreatment, and child abuse are some of the harms that come to mind. However, I would argue that deprivation of love can be just as deadly.
Wicked heart Wither the body.
The fear of the LORD prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.
Holding grudges can make you age faster. This is a confirmation of proverb 10:27 "But the years of the wicked will be shortened."
. Holding Grudges. Holding grudges on a situation or person is not good for your outward appearance as well as your overall health.
Getting angry can make you age faster.Wicked people body's wither.This is not small stuff permanent physical damage
Getting angry makes you age more quickly, scientists have found. People who experience high levels of hostility do themselves permanent physical damage, according to a team of American researchers.
Stress
Con claimed stress caused those people who give to live longer.But this make's no sense since stress has nothing to do with giving.People who give to other;s are not stressed out people. Plus giving to other's does not relieve stress. Con addressed this with confusion.I made it simple. If this is not enough.Stressed out people don't give to other's.Unless con provide's proof that they do and all these people in my article were stressed out and giving relieved it.
Rebuttal
Not verified whatsoever. None of your claims even come close to stating attending church adds 14 years to your life. I wouldn't even know how to find evidence to even get to that conclusion yet you simply claim it to be so.
I make it very easy. I put my article right below the claim i make. My sources do make that claim
Your comparison doesn't fit because it is comparing a world where dragons are real which is not comparable to the creatures we know in reality. Yet again you have to demonstrate how it is God's law in play not simply use that as an axiom.
I believe dragon did exist at one point. But that is irrelevant.I am saying morals are not something taught by our parents .But there is an unwritten law in our hearts. If we do good things we live longer. If we do bad thing we die faster
Giving to other's can make you live longer. Bad thing's like holding grudges can make you age faster.
i said
He became 3 times stronger then the world strongest man in an instant because of the power of love.Gods morals effect us biologically.
You are not in anyway proving this. Yet again I am seeing the same problems yet you still decide to gish-gallop with virtually the same problems.
I am not overloading you with stuff. Secondly this is not a good response this is name calling..He became 3 time's stronger then the strongest man in order to save a child.If that does not prove love is more then just a bunch of chemicals in the brain.Then what is. God considers love good and hate bad. So when you do hateful things you suffer biologically.If you do loving things you benefit biologically.Gods moral system effects us biologically.
To conclude nothing at all is verified. These are all claims made about specific events without demonstrating how these specific events are influenced by God.
No this has everything to do with god. For example sake. lets say i am god. Lets say i do not like cats they are evil. But i love dogs they are good. I make it So those why have cats get cancer. While those who like dogs get clearer skin. My moral law about cats and dogs effected them biologically.God love's good and hate's evil.He made those who do good get good health benefits.While those who do bad get negative health effects.
my claim wasn't it was taught by our parents. My claim is based on what we value.
God values good and does not value Evil.God has made it to where those who do good prosper medically and those who do Evil suffer medically.What Gods value effects us biologically.
An instinct doesn't equal intelligence. An instinct can be do act stupid to every single scenario so an instinct is not always equal to intelligence so you would have to demonstrate the link.
agreed.We are just programmed to worship god.Since we have instincts for that Worshiping god
Con
#6
Thanks to crossed for creating his argument.
Good is something that helps you in some way.Bad is something that can kill you.
I didn't accept your morality but you still are acting like I do. My very first round I state which has not been sufficiently countered is "My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.".
Only an intelligent being can have a concept of good and bad.So evolution could not create life since that is a requirement.
How do you know you are receiving God's word instead of the Devils? I know this is the last round but it is still relevant because crossed is telling me here that he knows that God did this even though we are incomparable to the creator of the universe. Given this crossed appeal to God is no better than my appeal to the Devil because we both would have no idea how to explain this using our best standard science. crossed has shown no way to repeat it so we are left with testimonies about things that are miracles.
Gods Moral system effects all life.The creator created all objects with the concept of good and bad in mindOur immune system helps good germs and not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the knowledge of good and bad in mind And can tell the difference between something good and something that is bad.The appendix is a safe house for good germs but not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the concept of good and bad in mind.olive oil kills cancer cells and not Good cells.The creator is intelligent and could distinguish between good and evil. This is Because the creator is intelligent and has knowledge of good and evil.The apple feeds the good bacteria but Not the bad.The creator would need to have knowledge of good and evil to create life.Gods Moral system effects all thing.Even apple's and immune systems
If it wasn't clear this is an entire gish gallop in the final round because he has presented new arguments and expects me to challenge in the final round even though he had 2 rounds before this to present them. I will be addressing all of them at once because all of them fall into the same issues as before.
X is bad. X is good.
X is link.
Note there is no explanation anywhere. Meaning all that he is giving is a source and his opinion. He expects me to read the articles and find the information that he didn't explain it to be true. The obvious problem would be what if I am rebutting a reason he doesn't agreed with? I wouldn't know and nothing here helps me. I require explanations because saying something is good and bad doesn't give me why you think that is. You instead simply state your opinion and say God did so intelligently and provide a link. The only way I can counter is to simply say this is insufficient in stating morality is objective and you haven't linked it to God instead simply stated your opinion with links.
You can die from lack of love because morals are not just something taught to us by our parents.but biological. But love is the most important thing.God made love biological.Being without love can be just as deadly as being without water or food.
Note that he didn't actually rebut my claim. He simply said I can die from a lack of love because morals. That isn't stating how I could die from a lack of love instead statd a complete non-sequitur point as his justification. Yet again links it to be God without explaining how it is the case.
crossed quote round 1:Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.crossed:this is the link To dead babies
If it wasn't clear he just brought in a quote from and then gave another link without explaining what it is or how it helps his side.
Deprivation comes in many shapes and forms: lack of food, diseases, maltreatment, and child abuse are some of the harms that come to mind. However, I would argue that deprivation of love can be just as deadly.Wicked heart Wither the body.The fear of the LORD prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.Holding grudges can make you age faster. This is a confirmation of proverb 10:27 "But the years of the wicked will be shortened.". Holding Grudges. Holding grudges on a situation or person is not good for your outward appearance as well as your overall health.Getting angry can make you age faster.Wicked people body's wither.This is not small stuff permanent physical damageGetting angry makes you age more quickly, scientists have found. People who experience high levels of hostility do themselves permanent physical damage, according to a team of American researchers.
More new arguments brought about without explaining them. I can't be expected to keep on arguing against points when crossed doesn't even bother to improve his arguments. This is yet another gish gallop that doesn't help his side. It is simply claims with sources without explanation on how morals come from God.
StressCon claimed stress caused those people who give to live longer.But this make's no sense since stress has nothing to do with giving.People who give to other;s are not stressed out people. Plus giving to other's does not relieve stress. Con addressed this with confusion.I made it simple. If this is not enough.Stressed out people don't give to other's.Unless con provide's proof that they do and all these people in my article were stressed out and giving relieved it.
I don't have burden of proof when you made the initial claims without sufficiently completing it.
I make it very easy. I put my article right below the claim i make. My sources do make that claim
Your source in no way attempts to provide proof that people live 14 years longer attending church.
I believe dragon did exist at one point. But that is irrelevant.I am saying morals are not something taught by our parents .But there is an unwritten law in our hearts. If we do good things we live longer. If we do bad thing we die fasterGiving to other's can make you live longer. Bad thing's like holding grudges can make you age faster.
You haven't demonstrated the unwritten law instead simply assumed it to be the case. I don't have anything to argue against until you decide to prove it.
I am not overloading you with stuff. Secondly this is not a good response this is name calling..He became 3 time's stronger then the strongest man in order to save a child.If that does not prove love is more then just a bunch of chemicals in the brain.Then what is. God considers love good and hate bad. So when you do hateful things you suffer biologically.If you do loving things you benefit biologically.Gods moral system effects us biologically.
Please your the king of overloading stuff and you don't know it. I don't know how you don't see the difference between what I did and what you did. I gave the most important point while you gave countless claims which pretty much all of them have the same problems.
No this has everything to do with god. For example sake. lets say i am god. Lets say i do not like cats they are evil. But i love dogs they are good. I make it So those why have cats get cancer. While those who like dogs get clearer skin. My moral law about cats and dogs effected them biologically.God love's good and hate's evil.He made those who do good get good health benefits.While those who do bad get negative health effects.
Doesn't even state how this is linked to God.
God values good and does not value Evil.God has made it to where those who do good prosper medically and those who do Evil suffer medically.What Gods value effects us biologically.
Yet again not demonstrated or explained.
agreed.We are just programmed to worship god.Since we have instincts for that Worshiping god
I don't agree with you. I am opposing yet you still state you agree with me. It doesn't make sense to me.
To conclude:
I think I won because my argument still stands while I have already rebutted the structure of crossed's arguments in pretty much every round.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
For this resolution, even if we were to take it as true that God exists, no connection to the creation of morality was ever established.
Pro's case is just an elongated goddidit fallacy, without anything to suggest God (instead of say the Devil as con pointed out) actually did it. Pro even speaks of God reaching down from heaven to smite babies as punishment on them for violating his morality (I am unsure how they were supposed to have sinned?). He then explains that morals are things like olive oil and apples... I don't want to try to figure out how that works.
Con makes a concise counter case, explaining what morals are (this seemed to be accepted, and am still at a loss for what use of olive oil has to do with it; but apparently it increases our live by 14 years if we go to the church which does), and that they're ultimately subjective to what we desire (pro even concedes that they are subjective, rather than something objective from a higher power), leading to the ultimate point that pro has not demonstrated God's involvement.
Again, it’s completely irrelevant.
It’s a computer game character, we know people draw computer game characters; we know computer game characters are drawn, because it’s a computer game character.
It’s not an organism, that lives, breeds, reproduced, etc: the cause of the colour of one doesn’t allow you to infer the colour of the other because they are completely different.
You can completely ignore that issue if you want; but thats the error in your logic.
Why did they color this creature yellow
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12ZRNgGS0JpBElUU_5UFGFRbA3uqfwgPdghX6CfirgTQ/edit
Yes but forget that.Why did Nintendo color it yellow. IT does not matter. We can determine what they did just by observing it.The fact we know they colored it is irrelevant.No one at Nintendo told us why they colored it.But we know why they colored it for a reason. how is this possible
We know that Nintendo designs video game characters.
Rabbits are not artificially designed computer game characters - so you cannot attribute the causation is colour in one with the other.
Here is a hint. Why did Nintendo color this Mario spike thing yellow.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12ZRNgGS0JpBElUU_5UFGFRbA3uqfwgPdghX6CfirgTQ/edit
". Since that logic applied to rabbits proves God's existence and that same logic applied to cardinals disproves God's existence, accept that the logic must be faulty.
2. Argue that for some unexplainable reason that this logic only applies to rabbits and other animals that turn white in winter that support your conclusion but not to animals that don't turn white in winter and don't support your conclusion. (i.e. cherrypicking or special pleading)"
No all your proving is god did not make an intelligent choice with the cardinal.
Why did nintendo color this creature yellow
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jGjmLLdmKTPPJ486QKQDQnrR8mMXadcTJFj5RGNrGLc/edit
Your a fresh mind
Problem solve.We have not seen them design the creature or heard anything.
What do we conclude the reason for coloring the spiky thing yellow
"Rabbits are brown during the summer white during the winter.The white during the winter connected them.So now it is safe for me to say God created the rabbit white to match the white snow."
Cardinals are red in the summer and red during the winter. The white during the winter did not connect them. So now it is safe for me to say God did not create the cardinal because it doesn't match the white snow.
If you apply that logic to rabbits, it must also apply to other things. This leaves you with three options:
1. Since that logic applied to rabbits proves God's existence and that same logic applied to cardinals disproves God's existence, accept that the logic must be faulty.
2. Argue that for some unexplainable reason that this logic only applies to rabbits and other animals that turn white in winter that support your conclusion but not to animals that don't turn white in winter and don't support your conclusion. (i.e. cherrypicking or special pleading)
3. Accept that the logic does apply to both and does lead to a contradiction, but continue to believe that it is valid logic, thereby proving, once again, that denial is more than just a river in Egypt.
crossed, I believe in God as well. But that does not mean that every single argument presented to support Christianity is valid. The argument that you are using is no more than a bad analogy that leads to contradictory conclusions if applied consistently. Let it go.
It is not a major leap to presume that the colour of a character we know was created by humans was chosen deliberately.
However, as a rabbit is not a fictional cartoon character that was drawn by humans, and whose history and origins are known and document as a process of artistic design by humans; nor is a rabbit a demonstrable or has been directly observed to be a piece of art work, or the product of a specific intentional design, and appears to exist, life, mate, reproduce and change colour in the absence of any specific human or any form of intelligent interaction ; and given that their pigment is affected by their genetic make up which is a copied variants of previous generations that has been imperfectly copied, and whose generations were subject to colour based selective pressure - there is no logical basis to conclude that the reason human designers made a known computer game character have a particular colour is the same reason that rabbits are a particular colour.
The color of the spike yellow Mario thing was not random. It will have relevance. Can you guess why they colored it yellow
The answer to the question is completely irrelevant.
The particular colourization of a fictional computer generated character is completely unrelated to the origin of skin pigments in a living, breeding family of creatures that perpetuate their genetic material (and subsequent generations pigmentation) through sexual reproduction and inexact genetic duplication ; and whose life, habits, habitat and death are perpetuated in the absence of any direct involvement and intervention of an intelligent agent.
These things are so ridiculously different ; there is absolutely no possibly basis upon which to conclude the cause of one is the same as the cause of the other.
Why did Nintendo color these creature's black and white in paper mario 2
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14tRcYvi8hb5VGmrf8ipIL9iNv0WZTzYqDE1sWvEw4Lg/edit
It will just answer the question
The same logic can’t be applied at all - the logic is terrible - this is the same error you keep making.
You can’t state the cause of one thing is the same as the cause of another thing because they share a superficial similarity despite being fundamentally different.
What Nintendo did or didn’t do has no relevance at all to the colour of rabbits on any way; unless you can specifically (and separately) show that the colour of rabbits was definitely chosen in a similar way.
no but the same logic could be applied.
Why did Nintendo colored this creature yellow
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jGjmLLdmKTPPJ486QKQDQnrR8mMXadcTJFj5RGNrGLc/edit
Do Nintendo make live rabbits?
You cannot infer the cause of one thing is the same as the cause of a completely different thing, based on some superficial similarity.
You respond to fast but question stands.Why did Nintendo color this creature yellow.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jGjmLLdmKTPPJ486QKQDQnrR8mMXadcTJFj5RGNrGLc/edit
Why did Nintendo color this thing yellow.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jGjmLLdmKTPPJ486QKQDQnrR8mMXadcTJFj5RGNrGLc/edit
Yes there is.
Lets say i am making a mario game.
Lets say there is a desert world a snow world and a lava world
all of the Mario enemies in the desert world are yellow
all of the enemies in the snow world are white
All of the enemy in the lava world are red
And given that rabbits are not a human school, and snow is not a school uniforms, their properties and nature are fundamentally different; and neither have anything to do with the human decision making process; the reason your clothes match your mascots cannot be inferred to be the same reason as why rabbits match the snow
If my school Mascot is a red spartan and on school spirit week they want us to where red. Clearly they want us to where red so we match the spartan mascot.
Yeah; they’re both connected. What you’re doing is simply illogical question begging. There is nothing implicit in the properties of rabbits colour or snow that necessitate only a divine creator is responsible for it. That’s the problem.
You’re arguing that rabbits and snow, and fridge and microwave colours share some properties thus they must share the same underlying cause. This is just poor logic and is laughably false. It’s just bizarre cherry picking and bad critical thinking.
Only if rabbits and snow, and fridges and microwave share ALL properties, could you argue that the cause of colour in one is the same as the cause of colour in the other.
We all our connected one way. you can B###### me on technicality.My red eye's and red plate are related the both are made out of Molecules.
If i got a red cup and a red plate. I most likely picked the red cup to match the red plate.Why does this work and not the other.It make's sense
If i have a yellow tooth and end up having a yellow car. It is illogically for me to believe the tooth influenced my choice for a yellow car.They are both made from the same source.It has to make sense.
The brown of my poop matches the brown of the eyes I am looking at it with; they are both organically related to me; so are both connected.So now it is safe for me to say God created my poop brown to match my eyes.
Your just making arbitrary and nonsensical connections that make no logical sense.
This works
"If I see a red microwave and red fridge - the colours we’re intelligently chosen."
But this does not work
"If my poop is brown and it matches my eyes; as a result of the above - the colours must be intelligently chosen."
the fridge and microwave are connected because they are appliances. But you poop and eyes are not. IT would make sense for someone to get there appliances the same color. While it does not make sense for someone to create eye color based on poop
This is more than just they have preferences.IT i just pure common sense to get items that match
My dog has a blue collar and a blue doghouse. The collar was colored blue to match the doghouse.
IT works because they are connected
Rabits are brown during the summer white during the winter.The white during the winter connected them.So now it is safe for me to say God created the rabbit white to match the white snow
This is exactly your logic.
If I see a red microwave and red fridge - the colours we’re intelligently chosen.
If a rabbit has a white coat in the shown; as a result of the above - the colours must be intelligently chosen.
If my poop is brown and it matches my eyes; as a result of the above - the colours must be intelligently chosen.
It’s the same logic - neither are relevant or connected
Again with the false anology's
"My poop matches my eye colour sometimes.
According to your logic - the colour of my poop is intelligently selected by God."
I have a red cup and i got a red plate. Clearly i got the red cup to match the red plate. IT works because they are connected
A false analogy would be. I have red eyes i got a red plate to match them. It does not work because they are not connected
It makes no sense whatever - none at all. I understand completely the logic you’re using. It’s just terrible logic for the reasons I just explained.
“ God apparently like matching colors to..”
Sure. If God existed and chose colours of animals.
Feel free to try and prove that.
Because they’re humans, with an eye for aestethics, and they are choosing home appliances. I explained this in the previous post you are replying to
Human taste in home appliances colour and the elements of the scenario by which we know the decision requires intent are completely unrelated to anything in life.
There is literally no connection other than they both have colour match.
My poop matches my eye colour sometimes.
According to your logic - the colour of my poop is intelligently selected by God.
"because humans like matching colours"
God apparently like matching colors to. Yellow animal in yelllow desert. White animal in white snow. Green animal in green Forrest. Etc
red cup with red plate. Blue cup with blue plate. Green cup with green plate. It is exactly the same logic.What is so hard to understand
It makes sense. You just don't understand it.
"Those are the properties that allow us to infer that matching colours are likely a choice"
The same thing can be applied to evolution animals
If i have a green toaster and a red microwave it would look funny.But if i have a red toaster and a red microwave. Suddenly the two go together.
Same with evolution animals. If i have a yellow animal in the snow it would not go together.But if i put a white animals in the white snow it goes together
That is what you did.
Have you ever had to watch house hunter. The appliances are always the same color and match each other. When they pick out appliances. Why is that
Saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it any more logical.
A microwave and a fridge are manufactured home utilities designed and created by humans. These devices are mostly placed in the homes of humans, who’s personal tastes and aesthetics often lead to the choice of matching colour coordination. They are often produced in different colours, affording the consumer who buys them for a given location to deliberately chose the specific colour.
Those are the properties that allow us to infer that matching colours are likely a choice: because humans like matching colours, these appliances come in different colours, and a human is often forced to chose which colours
None of those properties are true of any aspect of life; this is why you’re claim is simply nonsensical and illogical clap trap that makes no sense. There is no relationship of any kind between the cause of colours of home appliances - and the colours of living organisms in the wild.
Yes you can
If i have a red colored microwave and a red colored fridge.It is just pure common sense to conclude that i got the red colored microwave to match the red colored fridge.
If you use a false analogy on me. there are red rocks thus i got a red fridge to match red rocks. It does not work because they are not connected.
Rabbits are white during the winter. Thus it is common sense to conclude the rabbit was colored white to match the white snow.
Science is real good at telling us how stuff work.It is terrible at telling us how something came to be.Telling me how DNA works does not disprove god made it. It only supports that god made it because it is so advance.
Alright. Give me a second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOcbyAA-kfM
How about we have a debate over the existence of the Illuminati rather than just firing comments back and forth? It looks like everyone here already knows that the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle and that no one will accept that debate, so I should have the time for debating the Illuminati.
Again - you’re making a major logical error here.
Just because human chose things to match colour - doesn’t mean everything that matches is made to match by intelligence.
The argument is so illogical and so irrational, I don’t fully understand why you could possibly think it’s compelling.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/1361/prescripton-medication-is-poison
They have not been debunked. Only lies. you are saying he is false even though you no nothing of what he believes.By definition you are saying he is unreliable because you do not agree with him.
Give me a second to pull some stuff up.So you get familiarized
I believe in the chemtrail conspiracy theory the fema camp conspiracy theory haarp concpiracy theory 5g conspiracy theory. Agenda 21 conspiracy theory. predictive programming etc
"Your saying he is false because you do not like his opinion. Well you might fine his conspiracy theory stuff a little more factual then you think"
No, I am saying he is wrong because such conspiracy theories have been debunked in every possible way and do not have an ounce of evidence to support them.
What millions dead? That link takes me to a definition of a Greek word, not to a story of millions dying.
So you believe in the Illuminati? How do you know they exist, and why are you still alive? If you know about them, why haven't they killed you yet, or at least prevented you from posting about it?
Your saying he is false because you do not like his opinion. Well you might fine his conspiracy theory stuff a little more factual then you think
Give me a second. I am very familiar with the Illuminati evils. You assume i disagree with conspiracy theory's.
Firstly big pharma
https://biblehub.com/greek/5331.htm
You think the millions dead were just an accident think again
Give me a second to pull this stuff up
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"Based on my findings across the year 2016 I have reached a full consciousness to declare that Christmas was not supposed to be a Christian festival if the world was to be fair unto itself and unto Jesus Christ Himself.
While not judging anyone who celebrates Christmas; my conviction is that celebrating the holiday is to some considerable level, subconsciously taking part in Satanism and the advancement of the Reptilian Agenda (also known as the Babylonian Agenda) which seeks to turn the World into one state, with one leader, one currency, one health system and one everything."
This guy you linked to is an absolute nut and a conspiracy theorist. He has no evidence for his claims of a New World Order or a "Reptilian Agenda," whatever that is. Stay far away from such people. They claim to be telling the truth about God, Satan, and the world, but their claims have no basis in reality or Scripture.