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Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist?

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The title of this debate speaks volumes, especially with all of the white-male violence that's occurring. West Texas just experienced another mass shooting as of August 31, 2019, and the culprit is yet again another white male. There really isn't too much to say about the topic in general because anyone who has common sense can see exactly who's causing the problems in American and abroad. At this point in time, the white-American male should definitely be considered as a domestic terrorist, and the mass shootings proves my point to the highest degree.

If you think otherwise, then you're more than welcome to take this challenge, but I highly doubt that you'd be able to present a solid argument... Good luck.

Round 1
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mairj23
Con
#1
Before the trolling starts, I'd like to say that the "domestic terrorist" label doesn't apply to every sing male because every single male isn't committing mass shootings or other terroristic crimes. If you try to go this route, then I'll simply dismiss it by referring to this particular statement. 

Yes, I just preempted your strike because I already know that this is the angle that you'll try to argue. 

My opening argument is as basic as it gets because the facts speak for itself. Another white male has committed another mass shooting for no apparent reason. Then again, we all really know what the reason is, but that's a topic for another discussion. At this point in time, the white male has solidified himself as the face of domestic terrorism in the US, and all anyone has to do is to look at current events. The violence has gotten so out of hand to where International Travel Warning have been put in place.

Trying to argue against factual evidence is quite ridiculous because the shootings are taking place in real-time. This topic is similar to "beating a dead horse." Trump is basically trying to blame mental illness as the issue, which is ridiculous. The US government, including the FBI/Law Enforcement, can easily shut a lot of this nonsense down by actually targeting the people who are committing the crimes, but this government has never practiced any ethical/moral behavior.

The government should investigate all right-wing organizations and Rico Act them to the fullest. By doing so, the perpetrators and their accomplices will be effectively removed from society. On top of the Rico Act, mandatory life sentences should be proposed to every individual that's involved. I can guarantee you that people will start thinking twice before engaging in domestic terrorism. Of course, this will never happen because the crooks who run the asylums don't want to see a reflection of themselves in the asylums. 
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Dr.Franklin
Pro
#2
RESOLVED:Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist?

Tables of Contents
  • Introduction
  • Premise
  • What Exactly is A Domestic Terrorist?
  • Argument
  • Rebuttal
  • Conclusion
  • Sources
Introduction

I would like to thank mairj23 for starting this debate. I hope we can have a valuable conversation on this topic. I will be taking Pro, My opponent is Con.

Premise

I will be arguing that the White American Male should not be labeled as a Domestic Terrorist while my opponent will argue that the White American Male should be labeled as a Domestic Terrorist

What Exactly is A Domestic Terrorist?

My opponent has not provided any definitions, I will give definitions of what a Domestic Terrorist is. Terrorism is defined as-"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.". While Domestic is defined as-"existing or occurring inside a particular country; not foreign or international.", In this case it is U.S, All search results were Google's Dictionary online. Furthermore, the FBI has expanded on the definition of domestic terrorism to include religious,social,race and environmental reasons.

So there we have it,I have fully provided definitions,I have fully shown what we will be arguing for and my opponent who is the Instigator has done none of it, Even though as Instigator it is CON's job to define terms and to see what we are arguing about. The failure of CON to do this means that he should go by my definitions and MY PREMISE.

Argument

Since my opponent has basically said that I can't argue certain points,I don't know what's trolling or what can I argue. So I will go by my premise and definitions. Basically White Males consist of 32% of the population, doing some simple math we can easily calculate that they are 104.704 Million white males. My opponent has claimed that I can't argue that not all of them should be domestic terrorists but claims this-"At this point in time, the white-American male should definitely be considered as a domestic terrorist" so he believes in this position. 

Obviously this is not true, as 104.704 Million people being labeled as domestic terrorists brings down their value as a person just because they are white. What do I mean by this, well White People has done great things for the world. Big Think's best 20 greatest inventions show that from the Printing Press to the Steam Engine,The majority of world-changing inventions were made by white people.{11} The person who stopped slavery was a white male{12}, the person who gave women the right to vote was a white man{13} They are some great white people out there, but labeling them as domestic terrorists is simply untrue. You can not base a label on people base of their race. As Martin Luther King Jr famously once said-"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." This has been the basis of equality for America ever since{14} Furthermore, Race is a social concept, there is not a single difference between the behaviors of white and black people apart from their skin color. If you are going to label white males as domestic terrorists and there is no difference between them and blacks significantly then by your stance blacks ALSO need to be labeled under your argument{15}

Rebuttal

Before the trolling starts, 
Why do you think I will troll? Why do you think that if someone argues a certain position it is trolling? Writing off someones potential argument as just "trolling" is poor conduct. I ask the voters to consider this.

I'd like to say that the "domestic terrorist" label doesn't apply to every sing male because every single male isn't committing mass shootings or other terroristic crimes. If you try to go this route, then I'll simply dismiss it by referring to this particular statement.
This is a Contradiction. The Debate Title is-"Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist?", This claims that THE White American Male, all of them should be domestic terrorists. Then my opponent says that not every single white male isn't committing mass shootings or terroristic crimes. So my opponent went from labeling tens of millions as domestic terrorists to less than a thousand in R1. That can not happen. You can NOT make that jump in a debate. I will be sticking to my definiton.

Yes, I just preempted your strike because I already know that this is the angle that you'll try to argue. 
If you are going to argue something else, you need the title of the debate to be different. Thus, A contradiction

Another white male has committed another mass shooting for no apparent reason.
So?, is it because he is white, bringing up someones race because of their crime is illogical unless it is a driving factor, which it's not. 

for no apparent reason. Then again, we all really know what the reason is, but that's a topic for another discussion
Contradiction, you first claim there is no apparent reason, but say that we all know the reason

 At this point in time, the white male has solidified himself as the face of domestic terrorism in the US,
First, in what way, second Islamic Terrorism is more of a threat and counts as more of the face of domestic terrorism because Muslims account for more terrorism deaths in U.S than any other group.The total number of fatalities is 106 for far right violent extremists and 119 for radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period. However, 52 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack on the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016."{4}. Keep in mind that Muslims make up a much smaller population than Whit Americans, so the domestic terrorists should be Muslims.{5}

 and all anyone has to do is to look at current events. 
Statistics are a more accurate way to measure domestic terrorism as news networks are biased and have agendas. Media Bias can twist stories and only show stats for their agendas. It has lead to a polarization of politics and leave people stuck in filter bubbles. Allsides show over 600 news companies{6}

The violence has gotten so out of hand to where International Travel Warning have been put in place.
How does that relate to white people only? In fact the travel warning has been put in place for Gun violence BUT in every state where gun violence can be determined, blacks have a higher rate of gun violence than whites,so tell me again mairj23, why is this a white male problem.{7}

Trying to argue against factual evidence is quite ridiculous because the shootings are taking place in real-time. This topic is similar to "beating a dead horse." 
In what way, beating a dead horse means that you are doing something that is a waste of time, Trying to save lives by stopping mass shootings is not wasting time. Gun violence where blacks commit more of that crime. How does happening in real time support you're argument. 

Trump is basically trying to blame mental illness as the issue, which is ridiculous. 
Mental Illness is a serious problem for mass shootings. What Trump is saying that the mentally ill can not have guns because they are not well and will shoot up a school. The fact is that anyone who feels that it is ok to commit mass shootings is not mentally ok, they need to have treatment.What Trump is proposing is that identifying mass shooters and mental institutions for logged individuals is a better solution.{8}

The US government, including the FBI/Law Enforcement, can easily shut a lot of this nonsense down by actually targeting the people who are committing the crimes
I agree, how is this a race problem. Why is this exclusively for white males, why not have the same procedure done for potential homicide shooters and stealers who are mostly black{7}

but this government has never practiced any ethical/moral behavior. 
The U.S Government has done many ethical and moral behavior throughout it's history. It banned slavery in 1865 under the 13th Amendment. Allow for citizens to Practice free speech, worship any religion they want and has given rights to women and blacks. 

The government should investigate all right-wing organizations and Rico Act them to the fullest.By doing so, the perpetrators and their accomplices will be effectively removed from society. On top of the Rico Act, mandatory life sentences should be proposed to every individual that's involved. 
That would be a violation of the 1st Amendment which states that all citizens have the right to free speech even white supremacists, being a white supremacist isn't a crime and can't be.{9}Also, they are many black supremacist groups and far-left organizations like Antifa, why not Rico Act them too, why only white groups?{10}

 I can guarantee you that people will start thinking twice before engaging in domestic terrorism. 
This solution will achieve nothing, criminalizing white supremacy will only make more people to commit the act under white supremacy as it's already banned. People can still get guns easily, ideas can still be spread as how will you go around policing ideas? You can't

Of course, this will never happen because the crooks who run the asylums don't want to see a reflection of themselves in the asylums. 
Asylums are defined as-"an institution offering shelter and support to people who are mentally ill."{2} So my opponent has contradicted himself again, because earlier he has claimed-

Trump is basically trying to blame mental illness as the issue, which is ridiculous.
But now he is saying that mental hospitals should be used to solve the mass shooting problem under white supremacy. Another Contradiction

Conclusion

I have provided definitions and set the debate,rebuttaled and argued. I await a reply

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Round 2
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mairj23
Con
#3
I would first like to say that my opponent has structured his arguments very professional, but there's too much irrelevant material here.

Part 1: First and foremost, my opponent gives the definition of what a domestic terrorist is and I agree to what the definition says. Here is what the definitions states, and I'm quoting what he wrote. "Terrorism is defined as-"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.". While Domestic is defined as- existing or occurring inside a particular country; not foreign or international. In this case it is U.S." 

My Reply: I'm going to eradicate my opponent's argument with two simple questions.
1. Are mass shootings against innocent people considered to be an unlawful use of violence & intimidation? 
2. If white-American males are mass murdering their fellow countrymen of the same nation, isn't that considered to be domestic terrorism??

Anyone who reads this can see that (Pro) just destroyed his own argument by giving the official definition of what domestic terrorism is.

My opponent goes on to say "I have fully provided definitions, I have fully shown what we will be arguing for and my opponent who is the Instigator has done none of it."  My Reply: "Facts show that over the past month or so, White-American males have committed four separate mass shootings in the US, and these white-American males have used unlawful violence/intimidation against civilians of the same country"... Isn't that the epitome of what domestic terrorism is???

Part 2: My opponent now provides random demographics of the white-male populous in the US. Pro doesn't seem to understand what the term "in general" means. He doesn't even realize that (people are judged on a collective level) because it's impossible to judge an entire race off the actions of a few. For Example: If someone says that all Black people are good basketball players, then that person is totally delusional.

My opponent goes on to say that labeling white males as domestic terrorists will lower their value as a person because they're white. My Reply: When white people label black people as thugs, don't you think that lowers our value as a person? Hmmm...So it's ok when you do it to others?

If you're so worried about your personal value, then you can simply stop committing mass murders...Am I correct?... White males have been the perpetrators of that country's last four mass murders in which you can't refute...My opponent goes on to say that "you can not base a label on people base of their race. So now that the heats under your feet; you've seemed to have found religion all of a sudden. 

Pro is on the ropes right about now & his knees are buckling. My opponent is now quoting Martin Luther King Jr. I'm going to shut this nonsense down by asking one simple question...Where is MLK today & which race of people sent him to his current position?

Since we all know that MLK was hated by whites of the US, was mistreated by whites of the US, was being investigated by whites of the US, was being verbally/physically assaulted by whites of the US, then isn't that the epitome of what domestic terrorism is?...I'll wait...……………..
All of the other nonsense of being judged by your character and not your skin color is "blah blah blah" because it's your people who've built an entirey lifestyle via racism....By the way, you're off-topic.

Part 3: I'm going to condense the rest of Pro's argument because he's simply repeating himself. Here is what Pro said. "The Debate Title is-"Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist is a contradictory", This claims that THE White American Male, all of them should be domestic terrorists."
My Reply: Yet again; no, no and no...because I never said (All). Did I not? You yourself actually said (ALL) which can be found underlined right above this sentence. Yep, I caught you in another lie.

My opponent says "Islamic Terrorism is more of a threat and counts as more of the face of domestic terrorism because Muslims account for more terrorism deaths in U.S than any other group." Your numbers are completely off and terrorism consists of more than just deaths. Muslim-related terrorism in the US don't even come close to white-male terrorism. Ok, so a Muslim man blew up a night club in 2016 which killed 52 people. Compare that to the Oklahoma City Bomber "Timothy McVeigh" in which he killed 168 people & injured 680 in one event. Since whites are the biggest serial killers, do you really want me to go this route?

Pro just stated that government stats are more accurate than news networks because its less biased. My reply: Wasn't it the government that instituted slavery? The FBI, which is a government organization, was founded by well-known racists, but you're saying that the FBI isn't biased? Huhhh...Yes, the media can twist stories. Easier Solution? Just read the crime report/sheriff's log of any given city and white people will dominate the crime section on any given day of the week.

Pro also stated that "travel warning has been put in place for Gun violence, How does that relate to white people only?" Well...I'm quite sure the travel warnings were put in place because of three mass shootings that happened over a one-week span. Pro goes on to say that "blacks have a higher rate of gun violence than whites, so tell me again mairj23, why is this a white male problem"...Well, how about this...Over the past 30 to 60 days, was it black males who committed the last four mass shootings or was it white males?...I'll wait...……………...

In conclusion, my opponent's arguments were easily shutdown by simple facts. He starts babbling about white inventions as a reason to not punish white-American terrorists despite the fact that black inventions are just as important. I highly doubt that a steam engine or a printing press (via white) is more important than a traffic light or the first open-heart surgery (via black)...Since mathematics was created in Ancient Kemet Africa, no one today could even be referring to statistical numbers & Ancient Kemet was around before any white people ever existed.

Class Dismissed


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Dr.Franklin
Pro
#4
RESOLVED:Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist?

thx mairj23 for the quick Reply

Tables of Content
  • Introduction
  • Rebuttal
  • Sources
Introduction

I will rebuttal my opponents R2 argument this round.

Rebuttal

I would first like to say that my opponent has structured his arguments very professional
Thx you for the compliment

but there's too much irrelevant material here.
Setting up a debate is necessary, we need to know what were talking about before we debate. What is a Domestic Terrorist, well Con never specified, so it's up to me. Many of the things I did was to clear up the potential confusion and get a clear debate

1. Are mass shootings against innocent people considered to be an unlawful use of violence & intimidation? 
Of course mass shootings are a crime, I never doubted this. I don't know why you would bring that up.

 2.If white-American males are mass murdering their fellow countrymen of the same nation, isn't that considered to be domestic terrorism??
If you want to make it a race thing, sure, but why are they doing that? Is it because they are white or is it something else. See, my argument was that if whites are murdering people is it because they are white, then yes they is a function where whites murder more? If not, then what's the point. There the same as every race as I have proven.{1}

Anyone who reads this can see that (Pro) just destroyed his own argument by giving the official definition of what domestic terrorism is.
No I haven't. You need to prove why whites are committing this act and why we need to label ALL of them as domestic terrorists. 

Facts show that over the past month or so, White-American males have committed four separate mass shootings in the US, and these white-American males have used unlawful violence/intimidation against civilians of the same country"... Isn't that the epitome of what domestic terrorism is???
Yes that's domestic terrorism but how does that relate to labelling all White Males terrorists. But when we talk about mass shootings, Just around half of the shooters are white.{2} The Other half is also the epitome of domestic terrorism. Also what is Mass Shootings? There is no definition that can arrive with it, and a lot of people mix up mass shootings with homicides, where blacks commit more crimes of it.{3} Muslims account for 1.1 percent of the population{4} but commit 27% of the terrorism.{5}{6}Clearly the epitome of homicides,mass shootings and Terrorism are Muslims and Blacks.

 My opponent now provides random demographics of the white-male populous in the US. Pro doesn't seem to understand what the term "in general" means. He doesn't even realize that (people are judged on a collective level) because it's impossible to judge an entire race off the actions of a few. 
Exactly, why would you say THE White American Male are terrorists when a more appropriate title would be-"White and far-rigt terrorism ought to be rico acted".

When white people label black people as thugs, don't you think that lowers our value as a person? Hmmm...So it's ok when you do it to others?
No citation and No, I don't think blacks are thugs. I also think that saying that white men have a chemical imbalance that makes them so stupid lowers the value of a person. Which you have said.{7}

If you're so worried about your personal value, then you can simply stop committing mass murders...Am I correct?
I don't commit mass murders and judging me on my race is racist. Poor conduct once again by mairj23.

White males have been the perpetrators of that country's last four mass murders in which you can't refute...
So? Is it because they are white, we are all humans and race is a social construct, a fact presented by scientists. HUMANS have committed the last four mass shootings. Stop race twisting it.

 So now that the heats under your feet; you've seemed to have found religion all of a sudden. 
Gish Gallop

Pro is on the ropes right about now & his knees are buckling. 
How So? Can you see my knees?

My opponent is now quoting Martin Luther King Jr. I'm going to shut this nonsense down by asking one simple question...Where is MLK today & which race of people sent him to his current position?
That is irrelevant. I am bringing up MLK because he was a great man of his time and you are going against it. Other people can assassinate too, I don't get your point. There has been many people assassinated in Africa by Blacks and Muslims. Why is this a white problem.{8}

Since we all know that MLK was hated by whites of the US,was mistreated by whites of the US, was being investigated by whites of the US, was being verbally/physically assaulted by whites of the US, then isn't that the epitome of what domestic terrorism is?...I'll wait...……………..
This was in the 1960's. Times have changed, do you agree? I have already proven that Muslims and Blacks are the epitome of mass shootings and crimes. Extend argument here and investigating someone isn't domestic terrorism.

All of the other nonsense of being judged by your character and not your skin color is "blah blah blah" because it's your people who've built an entirey lifestyle via racism....By the way, you're off-topic.
If I'm off-topic then don't reply to it, you chose to reply so were debating it now, and no it's not off topic it's to show that great people like MLK who you are mocking by saying "blah blah blah" shows that we don't label someone by their race but their character. You are going against that core principle. Also you misspelled entire and blacks can live a racist life too. My opponent himself has been accused of racism many times by users here on DART.{9} All races can be racist, and they are many racist black people and groups that have been violent and radical.{10}

 Yet again; no, no and no...because I never said (All). Did I not? You yourself actually said (ALL) which can be found underlined right above this sentence. Yep, I caught you in another lie.
You are saying all whites and I will prove it here. The in this sense of referring to a people group is defined as-"used with an adjective to refer to those people who are of the type described." For example, the unemployed doesn't refer to some people who don't have a job, it's ALL. The type described are the White,American and males. Can you defeat the dictionary.{11}

Your numbers are completely off and terrorism consists of more than just deaths. Muslim-related terrorism in the US don't even come close to white-male terrorism. Ok, so a Muslim man blew up a night club in 2016 which killed 52 people. Compare that to the Oklahoma City Bomber "Timothy McVeigh" in which he killed 168 people & injured 680 in one event. Since whites are the biggest serial killers, do you really want me to go this route?
First, no citation And the September 11,2001 attacks by Muslims killed almost 3,000.{12} Yes, I want to go down that "route" because Muslim terrorist attacks have repeatedly killed hundreds of people. 

Wasn't it the government that instituted slavery? The FBI, which is a government organization, was founded by well-known racists, but you're saying that the FBI isn't biased? 
Slavery died in 1863, The FBI was founded in 1908, There is no citation for the the FBI being biased and racist and since the BOP is on CON, I await evidence. 

Huhhh...Yes, the media can twist stories. Easier Solution? Just read the crime report/sheriff's log of any given city and white people will dominate the crime section on any given day of the week.
Citation needed and I have proven that this is not the case.

Well...I'm quite sure the travel warnings were put in place because of three mass shootings that happened over a one-week span.
First, the travel warning was a warning on gun violence, so that is what were going off of.{13} And even if it was because of mass shootings, the warning is bullshit, The lifetime risk of dying in a mass shooting is around 1 in 110,154 — about the same chance of dying from a dog attack or legal execution. There is a three times greater chance of dying from a sharp object than from a mass shooting.{14}

Clearly the chance of dying is extremely low and a travel warning is not needed

Well, how about this...Over the past 30 to 60 days, was it black males who committed the last four mass shootings or was it white males?...I'll wait...……………...
So? Is it because he is white, whites account for just 53% of the mass shootings{2} Blacks can commit crime too. Also,why just mass shootings. I mean so far in JUST Chicago , there has been 330 killed. JUST Chicago.{15} Why is it just mass shootings that you are talking about when you completely ignored that 7 people were killed this weekend in Chicago, Why just mass shootings??

In conclusion, my opponent's arguments were easily shutdown by simple facts.
Gish Gallop

. He starts babbling about white inventions as a reason to not punish white-American terrorists despite the fact that black inventions are just as important. 
That is incorrect, Whites and Europeans were vastly more superior in technology and society than blacks and Africans have. The European industrial revolution happened in early 1800's to mid 1800's, while the African one is happening now{16}

I highly doubt that a steam engine or a printing press (via white) is more important than a traffic light or the first open-heart surgery (via black)
Is that some kind of joke? A invention that lead to the car or a fucking traffic light, you pick which one. The Printing Press got Europe OUT OF THE MIDDLE AGES BUT A FUCKING TRAFFIC LIGHT IS MORE IMPORTANT.Surely, you're kidding on this one.

.Since mathematics was created in Ancient Kemet Africa, no one today could even be referring to statistical numbers & Ancient Kemet was around before any white people ever existed.
Mathematics isn't created, it is always present.

Class Dismissed
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Round 3
mairj23's avatar
mairj23
Con
#5
I'm going to cover as much of this as I possibly can.

My opponent (Pro) says that "we need to know what were talking about before we debate. Con never specified, so it's up to me. Many of the things I did was to clear up the potential confusion and get a clear debate."...As we all can see, he's starting to play semantics because the title clearly states "Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist." So, where is the confusion?

Pro goes on to say "Of course mass shootings are a crime, I never doubted this. I don't know why you would bring that up." My reply: So, if you agree that mass shootings are a crime and that you never doubted it...why are you even arguing against the topic??  As the viewers can see, this doesn't make sense, and this is the epitome of what semantics is. Pro is basically arguing that white males shouldn't be labeled as domestic terrorists even though it's white males who have killed dozens of people via four mass shootings over the past 45 to 60 days.....Since he's playing dumb all of a sudden, let's see what he actually stated.

My opponent stated "I will give definitions of what a Domestic Terrorist is. Terrorism is defined as-"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.". While Domestic is defined as-"existing or occurring inside a particular country; not foreign or international.

My reply: Wouldn't four mass shootings from white males that happened in the US fall under your definition of domestic terrorism?...I'll wait...…..
Fast-forward to RD2 and Pro says "Yes that's domestic terrorism but how does that relate to labelling all White Males terrorists?" My reply: Your very own lips are testifying against you at this point in time...Am I correct? Do you understand that your argument is invalid at this point?

No disrespect, but I simply took your information and smacked you across the behind with it.

My opponent (Pro) goes on to say "You need to prove why whites are committing this act and why we need to label ALL of them as domestic terrorists. My reply: First of all, I'm not psychic, and I can't read someone's mind. On the other hand, since the definition of domestic terrorism includes political aim...I can easily tell you why white-male terrorists do what they do. "The fact of the matter is that white people feel as if they're losing control of the country/politics. The white populous around the globe has a higher death rate than birth rate, and you're simply having trouble reproducing.  

Pro says "why would you say THE White American Male are terrorists when a more appropriate title would be-"White and far-right terrorism ought to be rico acted. I don't commit mass murders and judging me on my race is racist. Poor conduct once again by mairj23."...My reply: Dude, didn't I say that people are judged on a "Collective Level" rather than an individual level?" It's a general statement that's not targeting every single person and I never said (All).

My opponent says that "I am bringing up MLK because he was a great man of his time and you are going against it. Other people can assassinate too, I don't get your point. This was in the 1960's. Times have changed, do you agree? I have already proven that Muslims and Blacks are the epitome of mass shootings and crimes. Extend argument here and investigating someone isn't domestic terrorism."...My reply: No, I don't agree because nothing has changed. Ok, so if that was in the 1960s then why are white people still shooting/killing unarmed black people who aren't threatening?...I'll wait...…….Remember, MLK was nonviolent during the 1960s and he got murdered. Modern-day black people have been nonviolent and have still gotten murdered...I guess times have changed huh?

You don't have an argument either route you take because most of the shootings against unarmed black people was (((recorded))). So, how are you going to argue against documented evidence?...I'll wait...……. 

No sir, I'm not mocking MLK, I'm mocking you with the "blah, blah blah" because you're not making any sense. My opponent goes on to quote MLK's speech of "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."...After MLK wised up, he also said that "I may have integrated my people into a burning building" which can be found here https://ourcommonground.com/2013/08/20/i-fear-i-may-have-integrated-my-people-into-a-burning-house-martin-luther-king-jr/

As Pro said earlier, the news media does twists stories into a certain narrative. Did you not say that? I guess you are right about the media because (All) of the news channels failed to release the "burning building" speech until recently...On another note, my opponent pointed out the fact that I misspelled a word. My reply: Well, it's not the first time, and it sure won't be the last time...Since Pro's argument is getting crushed, he's reverted to shaming tactics. Lol.

My opponent boldly states that Muslims killed 3,000 on 9/11. Pro doesn't understand that the US isn't a homeland of Muslim people even though some of them citizenship. 9/11 was nothing more than a retaliation from a foreign source. We hit them & they hit us. Yes, 3,000 people is a lot, but I'm sure the Native Americans would think otherwise after they were massacred by the "hundreds of thousands" by yours truly...Remember, whites are ranked #1 in serial killings & mass murders so do you really wanna go down this road??

The FBI was founded by well-known racists, and the racist principles still exist to this day. For Example: You and the majority of whites today weren't around hundreds of years ago, but you still benefit & take part in racism that was instituted hundreds of years ago. 

Pro try's to use the tried-and-true Chicago argument, but this argument isn't valid. Where are you getting these mysterior murder statistics from especially when over 90% of the murder cases in Chicago have gone unsolved?...So, if the murders are unsolved, then it means that (((No One))) has been charged for committing the murders...If No One has been charged, then how can law enforcement pinpoint the crimes on a black person & use it as a statistic???....I'll wait...…. 
Just so you know, I've spent 1-1/2 years in law school, and I've easily shut this faux argument down on many occasions.

In conclusion

Correction, the Blackamoors from Africa saved white people during the "Dark Ages" via medicines. Yes, the word "Moor" describes the color black, which is why the original name was known as "Blackamoor."...My opponent says "Is that some kind of joke? A invention that lead to the car or a fucking traffic light, you pick which one." Ok, Compare traffic lights & open-heart surgery to steam engines & printing presses and see which inventions have save more lives? If anything, the car has taken more lives.

Better yet...the car that you & everyone drives comes from the invention of a Black man. Yes, George Washington Carver designed & gave the blueprints to his friend Henry Ford...I bet you feel pretty stupid right about now don't you.         Class Dismissed!






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Dr.Franklin
Pro
#6
RESOLVED:Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist?

Tables of Content
  • Introduction
  • Rebuttal
  • Sources
Introduction

thx for the reply, I will rebuttal this round.

Rebuttal

As we all can see, he's starting to play semantics because the title clearly states "Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist." So, where is the confusion?
You never defined what is a Domestic Terrorist, They are tons of different angles you can look at things when talking about Domestic Terrorism.

So, if you agree that mass shootings are a crime and that you never doubted it...why are you even arguing against the topic?? 
Because I don't think White American Males should be labelled as a Domestic Terrorist. That's what the debate is about.

As the viewers can see, this doesn't make sense, and this is the epitome of what semantics is.Pro is basically arguing that white males shouldn't be labeled as domestic terrorists even though it's white males who have killed dozens of people via four mass shootings over the past 45 to 60 days. Since he's playing dumb all of a sudden, let's see what he actually stated.
How is that semantics that I disagree with you? Basically what you're telling me is that white males(32% of the population) should be labelled as a Domestic Terrorist because of four people. That makes no sense. Furthermore, White Males have done some amazing things to this world and labelling them would hurt all of us.

Wouldn't four mass shootings from white males that happened in the US fall under your definition of domestic terrorism?...I'll wait...…..
Yes, how does that apply to saying that ALL white males are terrorists?

Your very own lips are testifying against you at this point in time...Am I correct? Do you understand that your argument is invalid at this point?
That's not an argument. You can not just say my point is invalid. You have to explain why it is invalid. I have nothing to rebuttal

No disrespect, but I simply took your information and smacked you across the behind with it.
How so? What you said didn't apply to you're CLEAR title. Also Very Poor Conduct

First of all, I'm not psychic, and I can't read someone's mind
No, what I mean is can you tell why WHITES are shooting up people if their the same as black? Blacks and Whites are the same people.

On the other hand, since the definition of domestic terrorism includes political aim...I can easily tell you why white-male terrorists do what they do. "The fact of the matter is that white people feel as if they're losing control of the country/politics. 
How so? And no, the mass shootings was far-left and far-right ideologies, it had nothing to do with white people losing grips on politics. Also how is that true and why does that matter? At the end of the day, Whites and blacks run the government together and to say that whites are losing control is wrong and doesn't matter. Everything isn't a Race game mairj23, Do you understand that?

President=White
VP=White
Speaker of the house=white
Cabinet is 19 whites to 1 black and 1 asian, but Ben Carson, a black isn't angry that white people "control" the government because they are just trying to serve the people.

The white populous around the globe has a higher death rate than birth rate, and you're simply having trouble reproducing.  
No, they don't have trouble reproducing, it's just the circle of life. White countries had an industrial revolution faster than African and asian countries, so they had a population boom and then a slowdown now because they developed faster. Africa,India and other countries are going through an industrial revolution now so they are having a population boom, same thing happened with China in the 70's and 80's. It's a cycle. The Human Population will level out and start to decrease by the end of the century as all countries will catch up.{1}

Dude, didn't I say that people are judged on a "Collective Level" rather than an individual level?"
Yes, so why do you keep bringing up four white males that committed mass shootings if they are 104 million of them.

 It's a general statement that's not targeting every single person and I never said (All).
Let me explain again. When you say The when referring to a people group, in this case White Males. It means-"used with an adjective to refer to those people who are of the type described." So you are referring to white males as Domestic Terrorists. Does it mean all? Yes, When you describe something like The Nazi's. Is it just Hitler or all of the Nazi's. No, it's the all of the Nazi's.{2}

No, I don't agree because nothing has changed.
Nothing? Not even the Civl Rights act of 1968{3} or the 1967 SCOTUS decision to legalize inter-race marriage.{4}

Ok, so if that was in the 1960s then why are white people still shooting/killing unarmed black people who aren't threatening?
Can I get an example?, Also they were more unarmed white people shot in 2017 then blacks, so we should be tackling Police Brutality as not a race issue, but an American issue.{5}

.Remember, MLK was nonviolent during the 1960s and he got murdered. Modern-day black people have been nonviolent and have still gotten murdered...I guess times have changed huh?
Again, can I get an example. I have already proved that whites are shot more than blacks and MLK was shot awfully, but Black People can assassinate too, so what's you're point. Also Black movements like BLM have not been peaceful. A national emergency was declared in Charlotte, North Carolina, The Texas Shooting that left 7 cops dead. A nine year-old girl dead blocks away from BLM RIOTERS. Today's Black movements are violent.{6}

You don't have an argument either route you take because most of the shootings against unarmed black people was (((recorded))). So, how are you going to argue against documented evidence?...I'll wait...……. 
You could give me an example? Or you could wait.

No sir, I'm not mocking MLK, I'm mocking you with the "blah, blah blah" because you're not making any sense. 
Incorrect, what you said-"All of the other nonsense of being judged by your character and not your skin color is "blah blah blah"".That's t=what MLK is against!, He wants a world where you can be judged by you're character and not you're skin color. You said it was blah blah blah. I have you're confession.

After MLK wised up, he also said that "I may have integrated my people into a burning building" which can be found
What does that mean? You're source claims that The Burning House would be an economic struggle for Poor Americans after the Civil Rights. How did he "wise up"

 Did you not say that? I guess you are right about the media because (All) of the news channels failed to release the "burning building" speech until recently...
Because it was a private conversation and not a speech.

Well, it's not the first time, and it sure won't be the last time...Since Pro's argument is getting crushed, he's reverted to shaming tactics. Lol.
Shaming? I want to win this debate unlike you and if you misspell something, I will jump on it, I couldn't understand your argument with entirely or entire. You think I am getting crushed. We will see in the voting stage.

My opponent boldly states that Muslims killed 3,000 on 9/11. Pro doesn't understand that the US isn't a homeland of Muslim people even though some of them citizenship. 9/11 was nothing more than a retaliation from a foreign source. 
All of the Perpetuators were born in Saudi Arabia and lived in America. A lot of domestic terrorism is influenced by outside sources. Like Nazism was born in Europe but the far-right terrorism can stem from it.

Yes, 3,000 people is a lot, but I'm sure the Native Americans would think otherwise after they were massacred by the "hundreds of thousands" by yours truly...Remember, whites are ranked #1 in serial killings & mass murders so do you really wanna go down this road??
Most Native Americans died of disease because they couldn't fight it.{7}So no, it wasn't hundreds of thousands. And yes, I would like to go down this road because Mao Zedong, A Non white-chinese person killed 20-45 million people.{8}

  The FBI was founded by well-known racists, and the racist principles still exist to this day. For Example: You and the majority of whites today weren't around hundreds of years ago, but you still benefit & take part in racism that was instituted hundreds of years ago. 
I asked you to prove why, that was not an explanation.

Where are you getting these mysterior murder statistics from especially when over 90% of the murder cases in Chicago have gone unsolved?
It doesn't matter if they are unsolved, also what id you're citation for that. I told you my source. It's number 15 on the source sheet

So, if the murders are unsolved, then it means that (((No One))) has been charged for committing the murders...If No One has been charged, then how can law enforcement pinpoint the crimes on a black person & use it as a statistic???.
Citation needed,When did I say it targeted blacks?

Correction, the Blackamoors from Africa saved white people during the "Dark Ages" via medicines. Yes, the word "Moor" describes the color black, which is why the original name was known as "Blackamoor.
What ended the Middle Ages was mostly Education. The Printing Press lead to the spread of books,colleges and education that lead to ideas like the Reinvention of round Earth and the Magna Carta.{9} Medicine did nothing since The Black Death killed hundreds of millions anyway.

For the inventions, As I have already proven, what got Europe out of the MA was the spread of information.Which was only possible by the Printing Press.{10}The Traffic Light just organized Traffic.Both saved lives but the Print P. brought the world into the Next stage.

Again,this is a debate,not a school

SOURCES

here-LINK


Round 4
mairj23's avatar
mairj23
Con
#7
In Conclusion,

Pro's argument is invalid from the start because he's basing his argument off emotions. Pro has image issues and doesn't want his race of people to be seen as domestic terrorists even though it's his race of people who perpetrated Four Mass Shootings in under 60 days. 

My opponent is still asking basic questions to things that I've already answered on multiple occasions. He says that I never defined what a domestic terrorist is, but we all know that's a lie. We know that it's a lie because he already "agreed" to the term... Pro, did you not say "Of course mass shootings are a crime, I never doubted this. I don't know why you would bring that up? In addition to that, he started his argument with the definition of a domestic terrorist, which can be found in RD1.

His entire argument is about not labeling white-American males as domestic terrorists because some white Americans have invented things in the past...Just because someone has invented something doesn't mean that they're exempt from the law...(((News Flash))) Every race of people has invented things if you didn't know. My opponent keeps trying to change the narrative by redundantly saying the world "All," but he knows that a general statement speaks to a collective of people rather than speaking to anyone on an individual level.

Pro said "that makes no sense. Furthermore, White Males have done some amazing things to this world and labelling them would hurt all of us."...As I said before, my opponent is worrying about an image rather than presenting a logical argument. I went on to ask Pro, Wouldn't four mass shootings from white males that happened in the US fall under your definition of domestic terrorism?...Pro agreed by saying, Yes, how does that apply to saying that ALL white males are terrorists.    In other words, if Pro keeps agreeing with me on domestic terrorism, then why does he keep asking what a domestic terrorist is?...That my friends is what Semantics is.

At this point in time, Pro stated that "No, what I mean is can you tell why WHITES are shooting up people if their the same as black? Blacks and Whites are the same people."...My Reply: Need I Say More.

After stating that domestic terrorism also consists of a political aim, my opponents next (misstep) came when he said, No, the mass shootings was far-left and far-right ideologies, it had nothing to do with white people losing grips on politics. My Reply: Ok, So why is gerrymandering and voter suppression a hot topic as we speak? If it isn't about politics, then why build a wall?...Sir, money equals business, business equals power & power equals politics.....if you didn't already know.

There's no difference between far-left and far-right ideologies because they represent two wings of the same bird.

I explained to him that the white populous has & is decreasing around the world and of course, my opponent doesn't agree. Everyone and their mother knows this stuff, but Pro continues to live in denial. His claim is that "whites don't have trouble reproducing and that it's the circle of life"...... My God! Pro is starting to sound like one of those 1980s Sally Struthers Infomercials.

Pro states that things have changed for the better since MLK & the 1960s in which I highly disagree. He mentions the Civil Rights Act, but isn't even aware that Black people hardly benefit from it because it was amended to include all immigrants. Yes, white women benefit more from Affirmative Action than any other group. Proof? https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

I mention that unarmed blacks are still getting killed by white-domestic terrorists and Pro says, "Can I get an example? My Reply: Need I Say More. Pro is now preaching about MLK's mission but disregards MLK's 'Burning Building" quote as an economic struggle. Nope, MLK meant that he led his people into a burning building because there's no way that anyone can get along and live in peace with you people...You may want to do some actual research Einstein. Pro also said that the "Burning Building" quote was a private conversation despite that fact that News Syndicates were present in the room. If not, then explain why NBC & CBS filmed this so-called private conversation?...I'll wait....

Pro states that "What ended the Middle Ages was mostly Education. The Printing Press lead to the spread of books,colleges and education that lead to ideas like the Reinvention of round Earth and the Magna Carta.{9} Medicine did nothing. Proof that Black people saved white during the Dark Ages can be found https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Heres-How-Black-Muslims-Lifted-Europe-out-of-the-Dark-Ages-20170409-0026.html and https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/

Ever wonder why Europe has so many statues of African people? Hmmmm... Checkout the "Blackamoor" Jewelry that Queen Elizabeth II's cousin wore during a party in England https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a14481097/princess-michael-of-kent-racist-brooch/ It's a shame that I know more about your history than you actually do. 

Final Thoughts,

I want to thank my opponent for stepping his game up because I enjoy debating someone who can actually dish out some friendly banter back and forth without acting butt-hurt. Pro has heart, but his arguments are full of contradictions, lies and denial and I proved it by presenting documented facts. The fact of the matter is that the State of New York has begun the legislative process for passing laws against domestic terrorism. My advice to white people is that "if you don't want to be seen as the face of domestic terrorism, then all you have to do is act civilized and stop murdering your fellow countrymen." 






Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
Pro
#8
RESOLVED:Should the White American Male Not Be Labelled As A Domestic Terrorist?

Tables of contents
  • Introduction
  • Rebuttal
  • Conclusion
  • Sources
Introduction

Since this is the final round, I will do a different style of rebuttals, and then conclude on why you should vote for me.

Rebuttal

Numbers are based on the paragraphs he wrote in his R4

1.Image is not about emotions. The image of someone and a race is important not because of emotions. When we drag down 104 million people of the U.S there is going to be some problems. We can't afford that many people to be domestic terrorists. And AGAIN, blacks commit more crime than whites.

2.But again, you never specified WHAT a domestic terrorist is, they are tons of definitions and angles you can look at it. I specified this for the debate. You are welcome. You agreed to MY definition, so automatically it is me who set up the debate. 

3.Again, on a collective level white people are great,just like all races. 4 people does not make up a race. I brought up inventions because labeling a race "domestic terrorists" will bring down the value that a race has. The white race is great, just like all races. and Yes, black inventors are great too!, Labeling them as thugs because of a few is insane. Last, you didn't rebuttal my dictionary destruction of you're title. You just said "well I didn't say all, so it's not."For the third time, When you use The when referring to a people group, it means all of them.

4.Ok, I asked what domestic terrorist is because it is important that we are on the same page.Mass Shootings has no definition, none,it is impossible to define. Does it count for terrorism,too? Foreign or domestic? These are serious questions that needed to be answered. Under my definition, mass shootings is domestic terrorism. How is it semantics if you agreed to my definition and used it for you're argument? That is not semantics. Read this-http://tiny.cc/Kritik

5.Need I say more is not an argument

6.Voter Suppression has nothing to do with business but winning a election, Building a wall will save lives and bring down illegal immigration. They have always worked as National Review explains:

A barrier between the Tucson, Ariz., sector and Nogales, Mexico, was erected in 2000. That year’s 616,346 arrests plunged to 38,657 in FY 2017 — down 93.7 percent.A fence installed at the border between Yuma, Arizona, and Los Algondones, Mexico brought apprehensions from 138,438 in FY 2005 to 12,847 in FY 2017 — down 90.7 percent.
“Crime has significantly decreased in the Yuma area,” then–acting homeland security secretary Elaine Duke wrote in USA Today in August 2017, “and smugglers now look for other less difficult areas of the border to cross — often areas without fencing.”
• A 150-mile barrier between Israel and southern Egypt cut the number of illegal-alien entrants from 17,000 in 2011 to 43 in 2013, after the fence’s completion, Israel’s Ministry of the Interior states — down 99.7 percent.{1}
Clearly walls work and has nothing to do with business. Sure, businesses have a say in politics but it is for the good of the people for the jobs and the economy. 

7. That is not a rebuttal. You can not say I'm wrong and sound like some 1980s Sally Struthers Infomercials without explaining, my opponent has pretty much conceded this point.

8. Affirmative Action is bad no matter the race.If a person doesn't have a degree in something and has everything for free, he will be left behind. 

one consequence of widespread race-preferential policies is that minority students tend to enroll in colleges and universities where their entering academic credentials put them toward the bottom of the class. While academically gifted under-represented minority students are hardly rare, there are not enough to satisfy the demand of top schools.{2}
9.Need I say more is not an example of innocent blacks being gunned down by white people. This is a concession. For the MLK quote, you are forgetting the second half of the quote. He said-"an we have to be firemen". What he is saying is that America is entering a race war of blacks and whites. The peaceful protestors of MLK needs to be firemen. Also no, it was never filmed and the conversation still has a lot of mystery around it. Remember, this quote was only cited once with Harry Belafotone, hardly a representation of MLK.{3}

10.Uhh I'm not reading you're sources. You have to argue too you know. However, you're first source is talking about Muslims, not blacks and only includes Spain. What they are saying is that the Spanish black and Muslim people made people educated, But After, the Europeans became more advanced than Africa and the Middle East. Western Europe was already more advanced than Central and the Blacks INVADED Europe.

11.I know more history than you,period. I absolutely love history. And no, Europe has little statues if black people. Denmark just got it's FIRST black person statue in 2018!!.Europe is dominated by ancient Greece and Roman statues as well as generals and rulers. The majority of people and rulers in Europe are white.{4}

12.White people are civilized. More civilized than blacks.In every state that is is measurable, black people commit more crime and homicides. Maybe we should focus on bringing up this country by fighting crime without race barriers. Fighting Domestic Terrorism doesn't need to include race.

Conclusion

My opponent has dropped many points, accuse me of semantics with no backing, make me read sources without arguing and blatantly lie. He accuses statistics of being racist and fake with no evidence and doesn't have a clear argument. Overall, my opponent's argument is a mess. He never set a clear line for this debate and accepts my definition but continues to argue it for no reason. Then he hides behind that he never said all but clearly referenced all of a people group. Arguments to me. I had better spelling and grammar. My opponent's conduct was very poor. He accused me of trolling, mass murdering people, and claims to eradicate and destroy my arguments. 

Vote PRO.

Sources

I have space for them,so here


Good debate, now it is over