Instigator / Pro

GeneralGrant

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Topic

#1324

Our Great Founding Fathers Put Slavery on the Road to Extinction

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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Winner

After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

mairj23

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Publication date: 08.29.2019 12:21PM
Last updated date: 11.04.2019 12:10AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

mairj23

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Round 1

GeneralGrant

09.07.2019 08:29PM

Pro

The fact is the Founding Fathers put slavery on the road to extinction. First they declared that all men were created equal and that all men had God given rights no matter their skin color then they came up with the 3/5ths Clause, Then they ended the slave trade, And lastly they prohibited slavery in the the Territories. Yes, The Founding Fathers realized that slavery was against their belief in liberty and sought to exterminate this great evil in their liberty loving government they had created.

mairj23

09.08.2019 04:06AM

Con

Thanks for the opportunity to debate.

First and foremost, your opening statement is one gigantic contradiction in itself. There isn't anything great about America's founders because they were greedy bigots. The founders did not put slavery on the road to extension because they were the main individuals who benefited from slavery the most.

My opponent, 'the Instigator,' stated that "First they declared that all men were created equal and that all men had God given rights no matter their skin color then they came up with the 3/5ths Clause. My Reply: If all men were created equal, then there would be no need for a 3/5ths clause. If this is true, then someone who's considered to be 3/5ths human isn't equal to someone who's considered as a full individual...

I'd like for my opponent to clearly breakdown the difference between someone who's labelled as 3/5ths vs someone who's labelled as full?

My opponents next mistake is when he says "all men had God given rights no matter their skin color."...My Reply: Ok, so if this is true, then why couldn't Black soldiers benefit from the GI Bill because we know that white soldiers certainly benefited from it. If this is true, then why were Black people discriminated against because of their skin complexion?

The founders did not end slavery...America as a nation ended slavery because the southern territory was a lot stronger than the other territories. The South was basically making the most money and the North wanted a cut in which the South refused...which resulted in conflict. The slave trade may have ended on "the books," but it was still being illegally practiced after the Civil War.

My opponent said "Yes, The Founding Fathers realized that slavery was against their belief in liberty and sought to exterminate this great evil in their liberty loving government they had created. My Reply: If slavery was against their belief in liberty, then they would have never practiced slavery to begin with...Am I correct?

The word liberty is a direct contradiction to the word slavery.

Round 2

GeneralGrant

09.15.2019 04:06AM

Pro

Forfeited

mairj23

09.16.2019 12:10AM

Con

Guess he couldn't take the heat...

Round 3

GeneralGrant

09.23.2019 12:10AM

Pro

Forfeited

mairj23

09.30.2019 12:10AM

Con

Forfeited

Round 4

GeneralGrant

10.07.2019 12:10AM

Pro

Forfeited

mairj23

10.14.2019 12:10AM

Con

Forfeited

Round 5

GeneralGrant

10.21.2019 12:10AM

Pro

Forfeited

mairj23

10.28.2019 12:10AM

Con

#10

Forfeited

billbatard

10.07.2019 01:14AM

they alowed it to continue thats all you need to know they were all criminals

mairj23

09.08.2019 04:09AM

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@billbatard

I agree. The way these people think and how they try to rationalize things is unreal.

billbatard

09.08.2019 01:40AM

besides who cares about a bunch of old dead white men

billbatard

09.08.2019 01:40AM

they did no such thing they condoned it they owned slaves

GeneralGrant

08.31.2019 04:00PM

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@Cogent_Cognizer

While this is true, most of the Founding Fathers wanted slavery to end, even many of those who held slaves themselves. It is even amazing that the small minority who were pro-slavery agreed with motions that they knew would end slavery.

GeneralGrant

08.31.2019 03:58PM

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@TheAtheist

I am basing it on Madison's record of the debates in the Constitutional Convention, the Constitution and what our Founding Fathers writings.

Pinkfreud08

08.31.2019 01:05AM

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@Cogent_Cognizer

My thoughts exactly.

Cogent_Cognizer

08.30.2019 07:09PM

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@GeneralGrant

I think you should be more specific. Many founders were pro-slavery, so since you didn't specify which ones you're talking about, then con can simply bring up someone like John Rutledge or something.