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GeneralGrant

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#1293

Our Great Founding Fathers Put Slavery on the Road to Extinction

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After 6 votes and with 29 points ahead, the winner is...

GeneralGrant

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Publication date: 08.21.2019 09:15PM
Last updated date: 09.19.2019 09:22PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

RationalMadman

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Round 1

GeneralGrant

08.21.2019 09:56PM

Pro

The fact is the Founding Fathers put slavery on the road to extinction. First they declared that all men were created equal and that all men had God given rights no matter their skin color then they came up with the 3/5ths Clause, Then they ended the slave trade, And lastly they prohibited slavery in the the Territories. Yes, The Founding Fathers realized that slavery was against their belief in liberty and sought to exterminate this great evil in their liberty loving government they had created.

RationalMadman

08.28.2019 09:56PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 2

GeneralGrant

08.29.2019 12:16PM

Pro

I will still wait.

RationalMadman

08.31.2019 11:12AM

Con

I concede this debate and am 'on holiday' from formal debating for as long as I please.

Round 3

GeneralGrant

08.31.2019 03:55PM

Pro

Sounds good.

RationalMadman

08.31.2019 03:58PM

Con

If you are serious about this debate topic, I will genuinely have it with you with all these settings at a later date. I understand if you don't want to, because you'd have given me more time to think and angle things against your Round 1 but that's a risk you need to be willing to take if you truly want to have this debate formally.

I will promise you that I'll have it as my only debate and put a lot of research into it, alone, with no other debate to deter from it or distract me. If you want a safety net, I will even have it be unrated. I am trying to truly learn how to impress all voters, even my enemies, in debates and want to experiment a more eloquent 'charm the reader' style of debating than I typically use.

Round 4

GeneralGrant

08.31.2019 04:02PM

Pro

Sounds good. I will look forward to it.

RationalMadman

08.31.2019 04:06PM

Con

to help you a little, I will give you a more troll-ish angle to take that will tilt the enemy:

They put slavery on the road to exctinction because determinism is true and their starting of America and the snowball effects of slavery as well as the abolition of slavery were both due to them equally.

This angle has counters, including that even today slavery happens (even technically when you make prisoners do manual labour or whatever, that is slavery as is prison in general but I am talking about organised slavery where America actively trades with nations that engage in horrific factory conditions, child labour etc.) I would turn the concept of determinism back on you by elaborating on slavery and how the very structure of America has always been white-male-centric.

Round 5

GeneralGrant

09.07.2019 04:06PM

Pro

Forfeited

RationalMadman

09.12.2019 09:22PM

Con

#10

Trent0405

09.13.2019 12:12AM

#26

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@TheRealNihilist

well if you look up meme definition right under it it has the graph for usage over time

TheRealNihilist

09.13.2019 12:11AM

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@Trent0405

That is a meme. There are more people now and the internet increases information so... wrong.

Trent0405

09.12.2019 10:52PM

#24

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@TheRealNihilist

Also if you look the usage of the word Meme overtime, it was apparently used more in 1800, hahaha, what a joke

Dr.Franklin

09.12.2019 10:32PM

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@TheRealNihilist

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TheRealNihilist

09.12.2019 10:32PM

#22

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@Dr.Franklin

@Trent0405

Woo

Trent0405

09.12.2019 09:58PM

#21

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@TheRealNihilist

an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.

•a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users.

okay then.

TheRealNihilist

09.12.2019 09:46PM

#20

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@Trent0405

Find the definition of meme please. My copying skills are not that good right now.

Trent0405

09.12.2019 09:46PM

#19

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@TheRealNihilist

is saying concession a meme now

Dr.Franklin

09.12.2019 09:45PM

#18

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@TheRealNihilist

TheRealNihilist

09.12.2019 09:45PM

#17

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@Trent0405

I am specifically talking about this case here.

Are you calling me cringey?
Do you want me to tag other cringey people?

Trent0405

09.12.2019 09:44PM

#16

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@TheRealNihilist

I fail to under stand how this is unique to me/Dr. Franklin, I feel as though I'm missing your point.

TheRealNihilist

09.12.2019 09:44PM

#15

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@Dr.Franklin

@Trent0405

Was going to say meme squad since you both did the same thing but I thought cringe would fit better. That is all.

Trent0405

09.12.2019 09:42PM

#14

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@TheRealNihilist

Well I am cringey

Dr.Franklin

09.12.2019 09:42PM

#13

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@TheRealNihilist

What

TheRealNihilist

09.12.2019 09:41PM

#12

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@Dr.Franklin

@Trent0405

Cringe squad.

TheAtheist

08.31.2019 03:58PM

#11

Goodbye RM, you were too pure for this website...

Club

08.29.2019 01:27PM

#10

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@GeneralGrant

RM Left a long time ago

Dr.Franklin

08.23.2019 11:56PM

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@bmdrocks21

I must agree with your proffesional opinion

bmdrocks21

08.23.2019 11:23PM

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@Dr.Franklin

Pro has that EZ dub in my opinion

PressF4Respect

08.21.2019 11:17PM

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@GeneralGrant

GeneralGrant

08.21.2019 11:16PM

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@PressF4Respect

Absolutely

PressF4Respect

08.21.2019 10:59PM

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@GeneralGrant

Wait are we talking about purposefully ending it, or otherwise?

GeneralGrant

08.21.2019 09:43PM

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@Dr.Franklin

Thanks

Dr.Franklin

08.21.2019 09:41PM

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@GeneralGrant

Ok, I agree good luck

GeneralGrant

08.21.2019 09:40PM

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@Dr.Franklin

They set in motion things that could end slavery and they did it purposefully.

Dr.Franklin

08.21.2019 09:18PM

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@GeneralGrant

What is road to extinction

Ramshutu

09.19.2019 10:31AM

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Reason:

Concession

PressF4Respect

09.12.2019 11:04PM

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Reason:

Barney

09.12.2019 10:50PM

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Reason:

Concession.

TheRealNihilist

09.12.2019 09:33PM

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Reason:

Only 1 person gave an argument. The other conceded then decided to help his opponent.

Dr.Franklin

09.12.2019 09:32PM

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Reason:

Concession

Trent0405

09.12.2019 09:27PM

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Tie

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Reason:

Concession