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#1260

Jeffrey Epstein is still alive

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Publication date: 08.13.2019 01:26AM
Last updated date: 09.22.2019 12:36PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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Round 1

crossed

08.19.2019 05:00AM

Pro

Jefferey Epstein was under 24hour surveillance watch. But they supposedly lost the footage of him killing himself

https://youtu.be/5_CJX5Wfm18

info wars said there were going to stage a fake suicide of Jeffery Epstein hours before Jeffery Einstein committed suicide

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sayE_1565691478

just like how he said 911 was going to happen before it happened

And people are saying the photos of his death are fake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20beoytpWNw

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08.26.2019 05:00AM

Con

Forfeited

Round 2

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08.26.2019 07:19AM

Pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC2jCd0XqfI

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09.01.2019 11:25PM

Con

I will say to the voters that the burden is on my opponent to prove that Jeffrey Epstein is alive. I have no burden of proof because the standing position is that he is dead.

Jefferey Epstein was under 24hour surveillance watch. But they supposedly lost the footage of him killing himself

How does this prove that he is alive? It is a non-sequitur.

info wars said there were going to stage a fake suicide of Jeffery Epstein hours before Jeffery Einstein committed suicide

Again, how is this proof? This might show that perhaps InfoWars was involved in the killing of Jeffrey Epstein, but it does nothing to show that he is alive.

And people are saying the photos of his death are fake

No, a tiny YouTube channel with 295 subscribers that is trying to gain viewership is saying that the photos of his death are fake. This is not even close to proof in the slightest.

Round 3

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09.08.2019 11:20AM

Pro

Jefferey Epstein was under 24hour surveillance watch. But they supposedly lost the footage of him killing himself

How does this prove that he is alive? It is a non-sequitur.

It proves that he probably did not commit suicide. That he is alive or was murdered.anyway. The fact that they would lie about not having footage of him just shows the true narrative is not true

info wars said there were going to stage a fake suicide of Jeffery Epstein hours before Jeffery Einstein committed suicide

Again, how is this proof? This might show that perhaps InfoWars was involved in the killing of Jeffrey Epstein, but it does nothing to show that he is alive.

Why would info wars murder Jeffery Epstein right before he exposes all the other pedo bears Alex has been exposing for years. The reason why Info war said Jeffery Epstein was going to commit a fake suicide. is because they did a fake suicide. He said this hours before they did the sucide

No, a tiny YouTube channel with 295 subscribers that is trying to gain viewership is saying that the photos of his death are fake. This is not even close to proof in the slightest.

The gurney photos everyone was talking about it. its not one photo.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/photos-show-jeffrey-epstein-as-hes-wheeled-into-downtown-hospital/

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=126630

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09.08.2019 12:36PM

Con

It proves that he probably did not commit suicide. That he is alive or was murdered.anyway. The fact that they would lie about not having footage of him just shows the true narrative is not true

It doesn't prove that, but even if it did, it does nothing to show that he is alive. You have no proof that they lied about the footage.

Why would info wars murder Jeffery Epstein right before he exposes all the other pedo bears Alex has been exposing for years. The reason why Info war said Jeffery Epstein was going to commit a fake suicide. is because they did a fake suicide. He said this hours before they did the sucide

Where is the proof that they did a fake suicide? There is none. Them saying they would is purely circumstantial, and if they really did stage a fake one, why didn't they release proof of it so they could get credibility?

The gurney photos everyone was talking about it. its not one photo.

"Everyone" was not talking about this, only a few conspiracy theorists were. And if the photos were faked, why would they make such careless and obvious mistakes? It makes no sense.

billbatard

09.08.2019 12:16PM

#14

Again just conjecture no hard fact

billbatard

09.08.2019 12:14PM

#13

finally a conspiracy theory worth a debate, i suspected this myself but face it there is zero evidence

Nemiroff

09.08.2019 12:02PM

#12

A few facts.
People who associated with epstein include, clinton, trump, a british royal, many other powerful and wealthy people.

Some claim bill clinton is guilty of murder because he associated with them, wouldnt that mean all of the people who associated with him are equally guilty?

Claiming it must be the person you disagree with politically, even tho multiple suspects have the same connection is the most pathetic example of being a partisan hack.

Barney

08.19.2019 05:47AM

#11

https://youtu.be/oVnuFY20st0?t=40

Dr.Franklin

08.13.2019 02:13AM

#10

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Absolutely

crossed

08.13.2019 02:09AM

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@Dr.Franklin

So dam shady.

Dr.Franklin

08.13.2019 01:56AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_VpaUGdy7U

I like AMTV, good source, here's one from infowars that had to move because of censorship

Dr.Franklin

08.13.2019 01:48AM

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Yup, how conveinatn, Clinton!,admit it

crossed

08.13.2019 01:46AM

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@Dr.Franklin

They were not they say they lost the footage. How convenient

crossed

08.13.2019 01:46AM

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@Dr.Franklin

https://youtu.be/5_CJX5Wfm18

Dr.Franklin

08.13.2019 01:44AM

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Why were the cameras malfuntioning the night of the suicide?

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08.13.2019 01:42AM

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@Dr.Franklin

I know how many times did bill Clinton ride on his plane 27 times to his private island nicknamed orgy island. He was under 24 hours suicide watch. They conveniently lost the footage of him killing himself. I was bouncing between the Clinton killing him and him being on vacation on an island. i concluded that it i more likely that he is on another island given that the autopsy examiner was the same person who did president jfk martin Luther king and OJ Simpson wife death cases and like ten other of the most shady murders ever. If they faking the autopsy then he must be alive

But it is entirely possible that he committed suicide by shooting himself 15 times in the back of the head.

Dr.Franklin

08.13.2019 01:27AM

Clinton raped women and kills people

Dr.Franklin

08.13.2019 01:26AM

Clinton murdered him, get it right

Ramshutu

09.09.2019 03:42PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pros argument is completely unwarranted; and as explained was a non sequitor. Even if I accept as true each of the facts that pro brought - they would not mean that Epstein is Alive.

Pro needs to do far more than he did; to present even basic evidence that the suicide was indeed fake, and that the best explanation of the available evidence was that he wasn’t killed at all, and is actually alive. Pro catastrophically fails to do this.

Barney

09.09.2019 03:29PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

A non-sequitur instead of a case. Pro never once offers evidence to even imply of the guy being alive, he merely points to the death being suspicious. Con points this out, thus wins.

Trent0405

09.08.2019 02:56PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

S and G- tie

Conduct-Pro wins because his opponent forfeited round 1. 1 point Pro.

Sources-tie

Arguments- I am to believe the BOP is on Pro as Con stated. Pro gave many arguments that don't necessarily assist his point, his 24 hour surveillance point, or the staged suicide point, Pro doesn't meet the BOP, all he proves is that the cameras footage was lost and that they may have staged a suicide, Pro fails to show how these things prove Epstein is alive, as well as there being . Con convinced me entirely through his rebuttals of these points and how they don't prove pro's point at all. both of these points were won by Con

There is also the fake photos point. I, like the other two points I think Con edged this one, he proved how if they were fake, mistakes we've seen wouldn't have been there as it would be too obvious. This, with the other two points make me believe Con won, with the Bop on Pro, he would have to make solid offensive arguments, Con mitigated all of these with better defensive arguments. Con wins Arguments, 3 points to Con

Con wins 3-1.

Pro didn't do bad in this debate, he just failed to meet the BOP.