Instigator / Pro
10
1711
rating
34
debates
85.29%
won
Topic
#1229
Canada is a Greater nation than Brazil
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 10 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...
Trent0405
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- Three days
- Max argument characters
- 2,700
- Voting period
- One week
- Point system
- Winner selection
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
0
1702
rating
574
debates
67.86%
won
Description
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Round 1
WW=world wide
Great Definition: of ability, quality, or eminence considerably above the normal or average.
Freedoms and standard of living.
According to the World Population Review, Canada is the 5th freest nation in the world, while Brazil I ranked 123rd of 162 countries.
Brazil has the13th highest homicide rate WW, but Canada sits at 151st WW.
Canada has the 17 highest standard of living, but Brazil is 63rd.
Canada is the 6th most innovative country WW, but Brazil is only 20th.
Canada has the 12th best education system but Brazil is 83rd WW.
Economy
Canada is the 18th largest tourist destination while Brazil is 45th WW.
Canada exports the 10th most WW but Brazil only ranks 25th.
Canada ranked 5th for soft power but Brazil sits at a mediocre 23rd
Military
Brazilian tanks and aircraft are largely from the 80s. Canadian troops have also seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan, but Brazil's military hasn't seen much action at all.
I assert that Canada is inherently not greater than Brazil.
The definition of 'great' cannot clearly apply to this, there's no singular metric to compare them on. Let's take this definition of greater instead:
greatness, illustriousness(noun)the property possessed by something or someone of outstanding importance or eminence
I think that's a pretty relevant one to the resolution.
I am not kink-shaming here but this revolves heavily around BDSM. Canada is a type of nation that has a 'boy/girl sub' kink with the US being its kinky Daddy and the UK being its 'owner/master' on the side.
Boy/GirlLittles (girls/boys) are submissive spirits that mix childlike innocence with naughty sexual curiosity. They long for a nurturing loving dominant who plays a guiding, almost parental role in their lives. While they require a softer approach to be dominated than most other submissives, their submission can go a lot deeper and sometimes rival those of slaves.
This isn't paedophilia, the kinks refer to roleplay and taken roles by people who are not minors.
I am going to explain now why Brazil is greater and that many of the stats Pro gives actually favour Brazil. Brazil is a severe Dom type but is fundamentally a brat tamer Daddy hybrid for South America.
Brat tamerBrat tamers are, in essence, dominants who enjoy handling bratty submissives. They find disobedience a form of playfulness from the side of the submissive, rather than a form of rudeness. They will take no offence to it, but will still teach the sub a well deserved lesson (because, of course, that is why the bratty sub shows such behavior in the first place).
Daddy/MommyDaddies/Mommies take on a caretaker role in the relationship, being a guide as much a dominant. Daddies/Mommies dominate their little treasure submissives with an iron fist in a velvet glove: much cuddly and affectionate on the outside, while being as sturdy and hard on the inside as other dominants. Using subtle psychological mechanisms rather than brute power, they nurture their littles into obedience.
In both a Continental level and Intra-national level, the leadership of Canada and Brazil represent ends of the BDSM spectrum that imply Brazil is the 'greater one' and that Canada is more than okay with that.
Round 2
Mariam westers definition of greatness Is better in my opinion as it is from a reputable source and is more broad and conducive to a productive exchange of ideas: the quality or state of being great (as in size, skill, achievement, or power).
Correct me if I misrepresent you, but you appear to think Canada is slave to America and Britain. Well, economically Brazil's "daddy" could be America or China based on who they import from.
However, I can take your argument two ways, literally or figuratively.
Well if I take it literally than I would say your argument is out of context. Your hierarchy is used in sexual settings, and autonomous states can't have intercourse with each other.
Figuratively arguing your point makes more sense. You say Canada is okay being dominated on a continental and intranational level. Note how you say intranational, as in occurring within one nation, in this case that nation is Canada. I fail to see how Canada is dominated inside of Canada itself. I concede Canada is dominated on a continental level by America while Brazil is more of brat tamer in South America seeing how they guide smaller, weaker nations.
Canada though isn't really okay with being dominated by Brazil. I even fail to see how Brazil dominates Canada, maybe Brazil is the brat tamer of South America, but not the America's. Canada's acheivements in education, freedoms, and millitary might should put it as a more impoosing force internationally. Also intranationally you could say Brazil is dominated by itself. It has a very violent populous when compared to Canada. This means Canada can keep itself in order, while Brazil can't dominate itself, letalone the America's.
Forfeited
Round 3
Extend
Unrated debates don't matter to me much, I trolled this and enjoyed it.
RM,
"I trolled this and enjoyed it."
oromagi
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Reason:PRO uses super solid statistics well sourced and well linked. CON never explains why sexual roleplay is an apt prism for international diplomacy. Sovereign nations seldom fuck even figuratively and simulated violence, humiliation, domination seems like an obviously terrible model for maintaining international peace and prosperity- almost the opposite of useful model really. But once we disregard the metaphor, CON has no case remaining. PRO wins args, sources, conduct.
Wow I didn't concede or FF, trolls!!!!! LOL Unrated whatever
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Well I didn't feel disrespected either.
No, that's not how it works if you posted in a later Round. I wouldn't expect you to know that though, you're an amateur at what you do.
If that R3 doesn’t count as a clear acknowledgement that you lost, and gave up; then it’s a full forfeit as you did not offer an argument past the opponent t round.
I don't find it offensive personally to state you were messing around, sure it wasted my time but I found the debate hilarious. Also, him wasting my time isn't a problem, over the summer I get extremely lazy so I enjoy being productive. He knew going into the debate that he was going to lose, as he admitted to just trolling, so him not conceding doesn't bother me either.
You honestly think your R2 arguments which went completely unaddressed were respected? Your opponent lacked even the decency to concede the debate when dropping out (as he repeatedly bleated about in the comment section).
I understand, the debate was really power vs freedom.
Anyway I genuinely don't care, it's unrated and I love Canada more than I love Brazil personally. It's more in line with my social democrat politics of course.
Agree don't see how you disrespected any-one
Where do I disrespect the other debater? LOL!
I never ever conceded in this debate.
I never conceded this debate.
Thought it was hilarious, very fun.
My initial reaction to your argument is summarized perfectly by this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfykaWjd_0A&t=89s
This is so beautiful, perhaps this debate should be aired live, the text version should be plastered inside the parliament buildings and the Whitehouse, approaching a debate about geopolitics by stating how Canada would get dominated sexually by Brazil is life changing, this is now on the internet, and my future employer has subconsciously, unknowingly fired me.
Absolutely brilliant kritik.
Congratulations on perhaps the most flummoxing, bemusing round I have ever witnessed. I don't know what the correct response is here, given the fact that the debate veered into oncoming traffic only to become a pile of twisted debris and pancaked people dribbling blood and confusion on the pavement, but I can approximate my emotional state with the following image.
https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/cory-booker-1.jpg
Which one do I represent? Perhaps all 3.
In other words, I can't wait to see where this is going, because so far this is perhaps the most out of left field response I ever saw. We need to have this kritik run in real policy debate on the college circuit. That way judges can stave of boredom by mustering all their willpower to let the kritik fly without comment.
the source quoted is:
https://bdsmtest.org/info
I forgot to link it, I'll do that next Round.