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Trent0405

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#1122

Excluding humans, elephants are the best animals.

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After 4 votes and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

Trent0405

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Publication date: 07.01.2019 03:55AM
Last updated date: 07.17.2019 12:08PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 3,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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DonaldTrump

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Round 1

Trent0405

07.03.2019 11:05AM

Pro

Elephants are very intelligent. The sources I'm using to prove this justified their conclusions, so these aren't cheap manufactured articles. Anyway, elephants ranked third, behind goats and chimps. The other put Elephants 2nd behind Octopuses. Intelligence is crucial for development of healthcare, weapons, and agriculture. Just look at what happened to humans when we began to vaccinate our children, develop large weapons, and began farming with machines, our populations hit record highs. This is evident when you look at malaria, more than half of the 108 billion people to ever live died from malaria, but now it only kills about 520,000 people annually, that's only 9% of all deaths that occur yearly.

Also, elephants are strong. Elephants aren't threatened by other animals when fully grown with the exception of humans. As a result, in a world without humans elephants would certainly rise to power seeing as they're not under threat by predators, nor do they have to risk their lives hunting other animals on a daily basis.

Moreover, elephants move in large groups.This is what humans did to makeup for their slender weak frames, and to allow for more efficient hunting, but elephants don't need to worry about that because they're built well.

Elephants could do well in other climates as well. For one they're fatty which would allow them to keep fairly warm for good periods of time in cold climates. Also they're smart as previously stated, so clothes and other garments could be invaded.

Please post a small argument, and an animal you believe is better than an elephant. I hope we have a great debate.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/270/what-is-the-correct-plural-of-octopus Yes it's octopuses.

https://www.popsci.com/worlds-smartest-animals/ Elephants are smart.

https://www.readersdigest.ca/home-garden/pets/5-incredibly-intelligent-animals/ Elephants are smart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria Malaria has killed a lot of people.

https://www.childfund.org/infographic/malaria/ Malaria death statistics now.

https://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/ how many people die annually.

DonaldTrump

07.06.2019 11:05AM

Con

Forfeited

Round 2

Trent0405

07.07.2019 12:08PM

Pro

Elephants do not hold many, if any terrible traits that can be observed objectively. I will concede that elephants aren't the most attractive animals, but there is no data that I'm aware of to objectively, not anecdotally state that elephants are bad looking.

One argument you could make objectively is the fact that elephants aren't fast. However, it's only a small part of an equation with many variables. Elephants don't need speed, they don't need to fear any carnivore, nor do they have to hunt for food. In a video linked below 14 lions failed to kill one elephant, imagine a world where the elephant population could grow and scale, something entirely possible if it weren't for humans. The results of the elephant population growing exponentially would halt nearly every carnivore from even threatening an elephants young. This is significant because the vast majority elephants that die from animals other than humans, die young. Saving more elephants, working in conjunction with their high iq would lead to them being just as, if not more successful than humans. lions, alligators, and hippos can't compete with the physical ability of an elephant, or intellect of an elephant.

But it doesn't end there, elephants poses a long, flexible, and muscular trunk, this may seem like a mute point, however this allows for crafting very intricately, this stops all animals that don't hold a flexible appendage can't achieve that same degree of success that the animals that do have a flexible appendage.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/141113-elephants-lions-attack-prey-predator-animals-africa/

http://www.speedofanimals.com/

DonaldTrump

07.10.2019 12:08PM

Con

Forfeited

Ramshutu

07.11.2019 06:30PM

#17

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@Club

Done

Club

07.11.2019 06:26PM

#16

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@Ramshutu

I'd like it deleted. Thanks!

Ramshutu

07.11.2019 06:24PM

#15

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@Club

Let me know if you would like me to delete the vote so you can redo.

Club

07.11.2019 05:40PM

#14

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@Ramshutu

Yes, I accidentally did it, and I was going to delete it but I ended up forgetting.

Ramshutu

07.11.2019 11:32AM

#13

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@Club

Saying that, did you mean to vote pro instead of tieing them?

Ramshutu

07.11.2019 11:32AM

#12

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K_Michael

07.02.2019 11:58PM

#11

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@oromagi

oromagi

07.02.2019 09:00PM

#10

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@K_Michael

I like best tasting. After humans, elephants are the best tasting animals

Alec

07.02.2019 08:51PM

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@Trent0405

Dolphins are smarter.

zedvictor4

07.02.2019 06:06PM

And the Whale can dive better.

zedvictor4

07.02.2019 06:03PM

The Kangaroo bounces better than the Elephant.

Wylted

07.02.2019 12:40PM

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@K_Michael

The term best is supposed to be vague in this debate. It allowers debaters to argue what measures matter more etc. Debates if done properly will not be over establishing an ultimate fact but in determining what facts matter more on an opinion, philosophy or policy question.

bmdrocks21

07.02.2019 04:46AM

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@K_Michael

I think we are basing this off of nose size. The debate is rigged!

bmdrocks21

07.02.2019 02:29AM

Nope, turtles

K_Michael

07.02.2019 01:51AM

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@Trent0405

Could you be more specific than "best"? because that term is overly vague and doesn't allow anyone to know what you're talking about.
Are you arguing that elephants taste best, after humans?
That they are the best at intelligent thought?
That they adapt to cold temperatures best?

Please clarify.

Barney

07.01.2019 04:47PM

The obvious K comes to mind of proving that elephants are better than humans.

birdlandmemories

07.01.2019 02:54PM

I'm considering this one. It looks like a fun topic. I'd be curious to see the arguments pro makes.

Club

07.11.2019 06:47PM

Criterion

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1 point(s)

Reason:

Full Forfeit

RationalMadman

07.11.2019 12:33AM

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Tie

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1 point(s)

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Barney

07.10.2019 03:27PM

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Tie

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1 point(s)

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Ramshutu

07.10.2019 02:04PM

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Tie

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Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Forfeit.