Rebuttal
In the 1950s and earlier, nearly every film protagonist was portrayed by
a white male. There were exceptions, but those tended to fall into
stereotypes about women or other races.
And in the 1950's, the white designation was assigned to nearly 90 percent of the U.S. demographic (of course, the U.S. once again serving as an example.) Your argument defeats itself. If we extend your rationale, i.e. different individuals seeing others in the media with an identical designation is either necessary or "a good thing," then the logical conclusion would be the media's reflecting this "need" or "good" thing, even if there's a numerical disparity. Like any industry, the media targets and caters to its largest consumer base. And for the U.S., that's "white" people.
However, there are a lot of different types of people out there, all
with unique perspectives that might differ from a white man’s, and I
think the world deserves to hear them. There’s nothing wrong with having
a white man as your main character, but this shouldn’t be the only kind of protagonist we ever see, like it was back in the 50s.
But how many other people can relate to those "unique" perspectives? Once again, if we apply your logic, then there's no substantial reason these "unique" perspectives ought to be disseminated through television/print/film to the same extent as the "typical" perspectives of those who share the "white" designation. It's a number's game. Because the numbers determines one's exposure and revenue.
Another objection you commonly hear is: why does diversity matter?
It's a question you are burdened and have yet to answer.
In a survey of 400 children, the researchers found that black boys and
girls experienced lower self-esteem after watching TV, while white boys
experienced no change in self-esteem. Children, as well as adults,
notice the characters who look like them, and this affects the way they
see real-life people, even themselves. I’m not suggesting that we should
remove all negative portrayals of African Americans from the media, but
that we should balance it out with a lot of positive portrayals too.
You seem to be forgetting that in my first round, I provided scholarly
sources which suggest that they do. Such as the study which showed that
black children experienced lower self-esteem after watching TV, thanks
to the negative and stereotypical portrayal of black people. There are
more studies, such as this [2] one which has found that children seek
out media with characters that are part of their identity groups, and
this [3] one which explains how girls show greater appreciation for
video games more when given the opportunity to play as a female.
Where in these studies is family environment controlled for? Where in these studies is cause established? That is, have they eliminated the possibility that low self-esteem is the source and not the consequence?
The ideal goal of creating a fictional character, in my opinion, should
be to make them as well-rounded and complex as a person in the real
world. And what’s the opposite of a complex person? A stereotype.
Even if we were to concede that stereotypes ought to be purged, what does that have to do with the diversity of which you speak? If those with the "white" designation can be individualistic and portray a plethora of complex characteristics, then this "diversity" of which you speak would be achieved. If however, you're going to argue that these designations somehow shape the experiences of individuals, then stereotypes are the most useful because they invoke salient experiences that create an archetype with which an audience can relate. You can't have it both ways: people have either unique experiences or typical ones. And if you're going to argue that individuals have experiences unique to their designation, then sir, that would be very "stereotypical."
In summary, diversity is important because there are many different
types of people in the world, so we should represent many different
types of people in our art.
This is not sufficient because the justification for your statement is your statement. You're essentially saying "diversity is important because diversity exists." Why is it a "good thing"?
But there is a difference between stereotyping and realistic, humanizing portrayals, and we should strive for the latter.
Stereotypes aren't realistic? How?
Children need to grow up with role models who look like them, and
everyone needs a reminder that groups of people like them are included
and celebrated as a part of the world.
And there are more children exposed to the media with the "white" designation (in the US); therefore, they make up a larger portion of the media industry's consumer base. Thus, the media disseminates content which appeals to their needs for "role models who look like them" to a large extent.
You give an example that a black person from New York couldn’t identify with a black character from Louisiana. Why not?
No, I did not. This was my statement:
The other issue with this call for increased diversity in the media is
the unsubstantiated assertion that a person can identify with and
therefore be represented only by a person with an identical corporate
designation. That is, an "African-American" from Manhattan New York,
could be "represented" by an African-American from rural Louisiana
solely based on the reason that they share a designation.
I stated that it was unsubstantiated to presume that a person can identify with and be represented by someone based on the designation alone. That's the reason I used an example with two individuals exposed to different environments heavily influenced by their regions.
African Americans share a common historical and cultural heritage.
Which historical and cultural heritage do they share?
I never said that the character needed to be exactly identical to the
person watching - it seems you have invented this notion in order to
more easily attack my argument.
This is a non sequitur. The identicality of which I spoke was in reference to corporate and government designations. I haven't used the adjective outside of that context.
People can identify with a character of any race or gender,
Then case closed, right?
but it has been statistically shown that people more closely identify with characters similar to themselves.
And it has been statistically shown that those with the "white" designation are the predominant patrons of media content (in the U.S.) So if people "closely identify with characters 'similar' to themselves" then the extent to which certain properties are distributed will reflect these differences in demographics. Why? Because it's more lucrative.
but one doesn’t have to look very far on the internet to see that people
of color want to see better POC representation, women want to see
better female representation, LGBT+ want to see better queer
representation, and so on.
What's "better" representation? And what's stopping them from creating their own content?
As of right now, your argument is rooted in semantics
As of now, my argument is rooted in logic. The argument is rather simple: diversity is either harmful or neutral because: (1) alienating (according to your own rationale) would stifle consumption of media content would reduce supply and/or result in the increased price of the final product, and (2) it's presumptuous to conclude that two people sharing a designation can identify with and represent one another.
but I would like to see some real evidence that diversity is neutral or
harmful, and that minorities don’t care about representation one way or
the other, as you claim.
No. This is argument is not a referendum on whether "minorities" care about representation. This argument as you've named it is about whether Diversity is a "good thing." I never once presumed that about which one cared.
Once my current debate ends, I might accept!
I would be more than willing to hear out an opponent who argues that it is neutral. I'll edit the description to reflect that.
Racial diversity in media is neutral, not good. Also, diversity does not contribute to economic success. If it did, then Latin America would be among the richest regions in the world, but it is not.
I feel like the argument by consveratives including me is mostly that we don't need more diversity, it's not necessary, it is neutral in my opinion