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Topic
#1054
Two-State Solution
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 1 vote and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...
Patmos
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Description
First Round - Main Argument.
Second Round - Rebuttals
Third Round - Rebuttals
Fourth Round - Rebuttals
Fifth Round - Final Argument.
My Position:
The best result to the current conflict between Israel and Palestine is the Jewish people having their own nation-state (Israel) and the Palestinian people having their own nation-state (Palestine).
Round 1
Forfeited
I'm going to be honest. I forgot about this debate. Now I only have an hour left to post and I'll have to keep this short and sweet.
The Two-State solution has a rather critical flaw.
It's been tried for the past 70 years and no one has managed to make it work. If my opponent could find a way to make it work that would make him the greatest diplomat since WWII.
The reason it hasn't worked is that Palestinians won't accept the deal. Multiple times Israel has agreed to the two-state solution but Palestine always refuses even when the deal is weighted heavily in their favor. They will not rest until Israel is destroyed and Jews are all removed from the land. This is per the charter of the Palestinian Authority.
Consider the Khartoum resolution as well in which the Arab League announced its infamous "three nos"
1. No peace with Israel
2. No recognition of Israel.
3. No negotiations with Israel.
Also note this statement in the stated intent of Hamas. "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
Until Palestinians are ready to accept the existence of a Jewish State the Two-State solution is doomed to fail.
Round 2
Forfeited
Extend my arguments.
Round 3
Forfeited
extend my arguments.
Round 4
I've got too much work to do, and I don't have much time for debating now. I guess we'll have to end this debate. Vote for the Contender please.
Extend My arguments. I accept Pro's concession. Vote con.
Round 5
Forfeited
Extend my arguments. Please vote con.
If you've overtaxed yourself, you can concede debates politely (even if not changing your mind), instead of just forfeiting (which creates a bad reputation).
I guess this debate isn't going to happen.
Welcome to the site. I suggest familiarizing yourself with what styles can be done here (as opposed to what could be done at DDO): https://tiny.cc/DebateArt
It's not one state, it's two states. Both groups get a state. Just like Alec said.
Also when are you going to post an argument on our debate about the Christian God?
It is reasonable because both groups get a state. The West Bank goes to Palestine.
Both the Jews and the Arabs are white according to the UN, which classifies middle Easterners as white.
So how is this a reasonable Two State Solution?
This is a One State solution that doesn't give a monkey's for the Palestinian people.
This is no more than U.S. Jewish led, racist policy.
Yes, I think I agree with that idea.
I agree with 1967 borders except Israel gets the Gaza strip and assiliminates or deports the locals, while paying them a mutually agreed price for their land. Gaza is a threat to the Jewish state. Israel can develop and sell the land to Israelis for a profit.
This is already defined. Israel and Palestine is what I said. The current territories of each country, with perhaps some slight changes.
It would seem you need to define the general land area to which the two-state solution is to take place... lol
Just because the US is an ally of Israel doesn't mean the US should give its territory to Israel.
How do you think; has Israel been able to survive and grow so successfully since 1948?
Would you say that there was or was not a strong Jewish influence in U.S international affairs?
Again, where is the inextricable link between Israel and US? You can't just say "You haven't been paying attention", you have to prove your claims.
No I'm in total agreement. Separation, Two States.
And my comments are about as non anti-semitic as you can get. (Anti-semitism is a cheap and defamatory allegation)
As for the inextricable link between the U.S. and the Israel. If it's not obvious then someone hasn't been paying much attention. But that is a different argument.
Tongue in cheek perhaps, but I simply attempt to point out that creating adjacent states in the same region is not a practical option and would do little to decrease regional tension. Mutual resentment is unlikely to just disappear.
Let's be honest:
The problem was created in 1948 and has been with us ever since and is unlikely to ever go away.
There comes a point where you should probably move into the argument section of the debate.
And where is the "inextricable link" between US and Jewish people? Your claims are borderline anti-semitism.
I'm not talking about a practical solution. I'm talking about the best outcome of the conflict.
You might want to edit your last comment, it's just a bit super-contradictory.
It's not about obligation. It's about finding a practical solution.
There's an inextricable link between the U.S and the Jewish people.
So no NIMBYism please.
The USA is under no obligation to provide the Jews a homeland. The Jews have lived in Palestine for millenia, Palestine is their homeland. Jews will not want to move to Israel.
A "Two State" solution within the confines of the existing territory or within the greater region does not and will not work.
Yep.
I agree entirely.
That's why I proposed an Israeli enclave within the U.S.A.
It would solve so many problems.
If you want you can debate me. Because I believe that the Jewish people deserve their own homeland, just like the Palestinians.
I’ve always thought the US missed a great opportunity after WW2 by supporting the creation of Israel rather than inviting these refugees to US.
Kill several birds with one stone.
Separates bitter enemies.
Palestinian homeland without border issues.
Your best friends living on your doorstep.
Save shipping all those arms to Israel
One less region of the World for the U.S. to worry about.
Removes a huge problematic factor from the Middle Eastern equation.
The Israelis can do all those jobs that you currently rely upon Mexicans to do.
The list of benefits is probably endless.
Why would we relocate all the Israelis to the USA?
The Palestinians don’t recognize Israel as a state. And I’m saying that the best outcome would be two states.
Not an argument
Because you love the Israelis.
Now WHY would we do that?
Great idea.
Why not relocate all Israelis to the U.S.A.
Let them have Arizona and New Mexico perhaps.
@Alec at the moment, Hamas own both Gaza and West Bank. Gaza directly and the PLO leaders of West Bank are puppets of Hamas (those that weren't got killed off).
Who owns Gaza and East Jerusalem?