You are simply not looking at the MATHEMATICAL standpoint of the two players.
Any evidence? Also the math doesn't say everything like how Messi sucks at international and threatens to quit after Argentina loses. That isn't math but still important.
P.S. You ignored many points. I assume you agree Messi is much better in them. Thus you prove Messi beats Ronaldo in far more things than Ronaldo beats Messi.
No, the structure of the debate states that I defend my points from your rebuttals in round 3 and I make my own argument in round 1.
1. Yes Ronaldo has more career goals... but in TWO MORE SEASONS. If you look at the average amonut of goals each player scores per game Messi leads 0.8 to Ronaldo's 0.71. Again I will restate, Messi scores every 100 minutes, while Ronaldo scores every 112.
Two more seasons isn't a lot.12 more minutes isnt a lot. Messi has a better team than Real Madrid and FCB scores more goals and creates more chances. FCB scored 141 goals and Messi scored 31% of the goals. Ronaldo scored 30% of the team goals. BARELY A DIFFERENCE ESPECIALLY SINCE RONALDO IS OLDER, YOU CANT SAY MESSI IS A BETTER SCORER.
Sure. But Messi has won 5 U-20 World Cups too. Also reaching the World Cup Finals. This argument doesn't hold much weight as, it's not Messi's fault he was born into a country with no good defenders midfielders, and attackers (besides Aguero, maybe Dybala?).
U-20 isn't impressive. Yes they went to the world cup finals but choked. Argentina and Portugal are pretty even.
Sure he's obviously a better defender/he's 7 inches taller. But EA's card for both of them as of Fifa 19 has the within 3 points of each other. Also, again I will restate. "In the La Liga season, Ronaldo was more likely to commit a foul than generate an interception and produce a successful tackle. He had 0.6 fouls per match, compared to 0.3 interceptions per match and just 0.2 tackles. Messi had much better defensive metrics than Ronaldo. He committed only 0.4 fouls per game but was more likely to generate a tackle (0.7 per game). Those are La Liga numbers, but both
players had consistent numbers in the Champions League as well. Messi’s defensive ranking last season was 8.42 (out of 10), while Ronaldo’s was just 7.61."
Point conceded. Also Interceptions isnt defensive, tackles only do so much and fouls don't matter when its that close. Defense is so much more than tackling and math. Can you block effectively, contain,counter attack well,etc. Those all go to Ronaldo
4. Your simply not understanding the situation. Messi was under such immense pressure, he felt as if he was not performing well enough, and the team would be better without him. But still your argument doesn't really stand, he still came back, twice. His new Argentina side look much better under Scaloni. My bet to win Copa.
Ronaldo is also under immense pressure,so whats your point. If he wasn't performing well then the he needs to get better and shape up NOT QUIT. Yes, he came back but caused a lot of drama and he hurt the team, Argentina is not winning the Copa, it will be Brazil and Uruguay in the finals
5. What does your Puyol example prove. Messi has outrun and dribbled pass 5 and upwards defenders at a time. He's fast. As is Mbappe, Neymar, Bale, Sterling, and Sane just to name a few.
Ronaldo is faster, he has better stamina and his top speed is faster.-I bring this up>Ronaldo's top speed, according to FIFA,is 33.6 kph, or 21 mph.The more scientific minds at FIFA have recorded Messi at a top speed of 32.5 kph (20.3 mph) during a game.
Sure. He still is behing on Messi regarding goals.
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Please pay attention to the mathematical and logical nuances of my debate this time.
I did, and Math doesn't show everything like how Messi quits.
I've always felt this topic is such an interesting but difficult one to debate. Con did a great job here. I really hope Messi can stay healthy and keep the debate going longer. His injury problems recently have been a massive concern. I guess that's just what happens as your age increases.
this really shows how much I have improved
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Better player meaning what?
Good sportsmanship
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Good Playing?