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The British Empire Destroyed India

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oromagi

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Publication date: 06.04.2019 04:20AM
Last updated date: 07.03.2019 08:57PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Multiple criterions
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oromagi

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The British Empire Destroyed India. Prove to me why they were good/beneficial to India.

Round 1

AKmath

06.07.2019 04:41PM

Pro

Forfeited

oromagi

06.08.2019 05:46AM

Con

PRO forfeits first round. CON is assuming that no argument is coming so I won't make much of an effort here. Just to clearly establish more effort than PRO at this point.

THESIS:The British Empire Destroyed India

India was not destroyed. Wikipedia confirms that India is still a country, a nation, a people:

India (ISO: Bhārat), also known as the Republic of India (ISO: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[19][e] is a country in South Asia. It is the seventh-largest country by area, the second-most populous country, and the most populous democracy in the world. Bounded by the Indian Ocean on the south, the Arabian Sea on the southwest, and the Bay of Bengal on the southeast, it shares land borders with Pakistan to the west;[f] China, Nepal, and Bhutan to the northeast; and Bangladesh and Myanmar to the east. In the Indian Ocean, India is in the vicinity of Sri Lanka and the Maldives; its Andaman and Nicobar Islands share a maritime border with Thailand and Indonesia.

Perhaps PRO would like to argue that the verb of his thesis was figurative by intent, a bit of hyperbole, if you (meaning me) will.

Round 2

AKmath

06.11.2019 05:46AM

Pro

Forfeited

oromagi

06.12.2019 01:19AM

Con

No feedback from Pro.

Extend all arguments into R3

The deserted temple

(Śrāvaņabèļagoļa)

The god is gone. His cave is bare.

In shadow from the sun

The clotted bats hang from the roof.

Below, the scorpions run

And pious folk no longer come

Lest evil should be done.

Ruins of flowers on the floor

Bear imprints of his feet.

They point through the door into

The many-miraged heat.

His voice was heard. His fragrance kept

This prisoned air once sweet.

His voice was heard: It told his tribe

To leave this sun-cursed hill.

They went, and left his dwelling here.

They went; it was his will.

Who piled these stones knows when he comes

And where he stays until.

--Vijay Nambisan

Round 3

AKmath

06.15.2019 01:19AM

Pro

Forfeited

oromagi

06.16.2019 08:22PM

Con

Extend argument to R4.

Independence

When I am nine, the British quit

India. Headmaster says, "The Great

Mutiny started it." We repeat,

The Great Mutiny of 1857

in our booming voices. Even

Akbar was Great, even Catherine,

Great! We titter over History. His back

turns: we see his pink spotty neck.

Sorry, the British leaving? we beg.

"This is hardly a joke or a quiz --

sit up and stay alert," he spits.

"It is about the trains and ships

you love and city names. As for me,

I'm old, I'll end in a library,

I began in trade." But you must stay,

we tell him. He lived here as we have lived

but longer. He says he was alive

in Calcutta in 1890. He didn't have

a rich father. A third son, he came with

the Tea Company: we saw a statement

in his office. The company built

the railroads to take the tea "home

to England" so that Darjeeling and Assam

could be sipped by everyone, us and them.

They sold our southern neighbor Ceylon,

silk, pepper, diamonds, cotton.

We make a trade of course. In England

there is only wool and salt and

snobs and foggy weather, Shakespeare.

-Reetika Vazirani

Round 4

AKmath

06.19.2019 08:22PM

Pro

Forfeited

oromagi

06.19.2019 08:57PM

Con

Pro has forfeited all four rounds of this debate. CON recommends that voters award CON full forfeit.

Bharoto Bhagyo Bidhata

Oh! the ruler of the minds of people, Victory be to You,

Dispenser of the destiny of India!

Punjab, Sind, Gujarat, Marhatta(Marathi heartland),

Dravida (South India), Orissa and Bengal,

The Vindhyas, the Himalayas, the Jumna and the Ganges,

And the oceans with foaming waves all around.

Wake up listening to Your auspicious name,

Ask for Your auspicious blessings,

And sing to Your glorious victory.

Oh! You who impart well being to the people,

Victory be to You, dispenser of the destiny of India!

Victory, victory, victory to You!

Your call is announced continuously,

We heed Your gracious call

The Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains,

Parsis, Muslims and Christians,

The East and the West come together,

To the side of Your throne

And weave the garland of love.

Oh! You who bring in the unity of the people!

Victory be to You, dispenser of the destiny of India!

Victory, victory, victory to You!

The way of life is somber as it moves through ups and downs,

But we, the pilgrims, have followed it through ages.

Oh! Eternal Charioteer, the wheels of your chariot

Echo day and night in the path

In the midst of fierce revolution,

Your conch shell sounds.

You save us from fear and misery.

Oh! You who guide the people through torturous path,

Victory be to You, dispenser of the destiny of India!

Victory, victory, victory to You!

During the bleakest of nights,

When the whole country was sick and in swoon

Wakeful remained Your incessant blessings,

Through Your lowered but wink-less eyes

Through nightmares and fears,

You protected us on Your lap,

Oh Loving Mother!

Oh! You who have removed the misery of the people,

Victory be to You, dispenser of the destiny of India!

Victory, victory, victory to You!

The night is over, and the Sun has risen

over the hills of the eastern horizon.

The birds are singing, and a gentle auspicious breeze

Is pouring the elixir of new life.

By the halo of Your compassion,

India that was asleep is now waking

On your feet we now lay our heads

Oh! Victory, victory, victory to you, the Supreme King,

Victory be to You, dispenser of the destiny of India!

Victory, victory, victory to You!

- Rabindranath Tagore

Ramshutu

06.04.2019 04:44PM

I spent a lot of time working in India, and working with a lot of Indian engineer, aside from learning not to trust anyone who says “it’s not too hot, don’t worry”,I was actually interested by much of their responses to colonialism. While I don’t want to list the details as it will help cons case; I’ve heard some argue the legacy of colonialism isn’t all bad, and isn’t net bad - they made some pretty decent cases to it.

Pinkfreud08

06.04.2019 03:39PM

Anyone who accepts this debate as con obviously has no knowledge of history and is most likely racist.

In other words, this will be an easy win.

DarthVader1

06.04.2019 05:04AM

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@AKmath

I don't know how anybody can say that the British were beneficial for India.

AKmath

06.04.2019 05:02AM

Thanks man!

Barney

06.04.2019 04:42AM

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@AKmath

Glad to see you're back on this site, and good luck with this debate.

RationalMadman

06.21.2019 05:29AM

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Reason:

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David

06.21.2019 01:00AM

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Full forfeit

Dr.Franklin

06.20.2019 11:56PM

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forfeit

Ramshutu

06.20.2019 11:53PM

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Full forfeit.

Barney

06.19.2019 09:09PM

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Reason:

Full Forfeit. Plus India still being there...