it's objectively possible to argue there's no evidence for God, it just lacks common sense

Almighty protector of the Sun and the sky

I beg of thee, please hear my cry

Transform yourself from your orb of light

And bring me victory in this fight

Envelop the deserts with your glow

And cast your rage upon my foe

Unlock your powers from deep within

So that together we may win

I ask thee grace our humble game

But first I shall call out thy name

Winged Dragon of Ra!

Common now, summon your God.

Maybe there are a quarter million programmers creating this simulation? When I was in collage and 20 years old I had an NDE after taking 

psilocybin.

When recollections of drug effects were compared with NDEs, stories about hallucinogens and psychedelics had the greatest similarities to NDEs, and the drug that scored the highest similarity to NDEs was the hallucinogen ketamine.

it's misleading to the point of being wronng to say drugs reproduce NDEs. it's almost never the case that a drug causes an eleaborate afterlife story. rarely a person might think they met God or visited the afterlife, but the experience is random and not clear like NDEs. it's rarely an elaborate afterlife story... it's more like there are similiarities, and that's all there is to it. also, even to the extent that there are similiarities, it's not like a genuine NDE. NDEs have classic elements that drugs dont cause, like tunnels, light beings, life reviews, meeting loved ones, being told it's not your time etc. drugs dont do that stuff. 

it's at best a stretch to compare NDEs to drugs. 

My Christian God named Jesus of the Trinity Doctrine exists because of the following two propositions, DUH!

im more curious if you think being an atheist makes sense from a common sense perspective. i've finally concluded after decades of thinking about this sort of stuff, that it's plausible to say there's no evidence for God. but, from a common sense perspective, i'm still as strong a theist as ever. 

I follow the thinking of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking.

Globally, approximately 400,000 children are diagnosed with cancer each year.

How come God isn't talking to people through a burning bush anymore?

i know i said i wanted to talk about God, but i'm curious about your NDE. do you admit your experience was different than a classic NDE? i dont deny that it's possible to hallucinate afterlife stories, but there's no comparison to real NDEs. you probably didn't have those common elements like tuneels light beings deceased loved ones being told it's not your time life reviews etc. and authentic experiencers almost always say there's no doubt about their experence as real or that the afterlife exists. do you admit you didn't expereince these hallmarks of authentic experiences? i dont evven know your details, but if you had an authentic experience, then i know enough to say that your drug trip caused you to die and that you are an extrememly rare person who thinks it wasn't real when they experience it. drugs dont cause NDEs point blank, so anyone who did drugs and had an NDE must have died... at least that's the overwhelming way the evidence points.

the better explanation, is that you know it and we all know it, at best you hallucinated an afterlife experience that's nothing like a classic NDE. do you admit all this?

maybe God doesnt talk to people in a burning bush, cause that story was made up in the bible. i like to think the new testament is where the truth is, and jesus liked to heal people. there's not a lot of evidence of non healing miracles in the new testament. i like to think jesus still heals people with things that look like miraculous healing. to the extent that God does miracles that aren't healings, he's not going to do something that dispels all faith except in special circumstances. we're meant to walk by faith to a large degree. 

Thats what I always wondered.

People throughout the Bible's history have seen God many times. They saw many miracles, such as water turning into wine, Jesus feeding 5000 people, burning talking bush, angels, God talking from cloud...

But today, there are no such miracles nor has God ever showed himself to us. Could it all be a lie and people just fell for it due to a lack of reason? People in those days didnt just believe in God. They also believed in evil spirits, vampires, monsters, fairies, werewolves, wizards, witches, giants, talking animals... well, we dont see those today either, so yeah... ancient people really liked to make things up.

Zipporah the wife of Moses was a flaming red head, so maybe it wasn't  a desert  bush that he was conversing with.?

I guess I would call it an out of body experience. I walked up to the second floor of the apartment we were doing drugs in.

I looked down and saw myself sitting there with my girl friend. It was all observation and I didn't feel anything.

Also there was actually no second floor in the apartment.

But those scientifics you mentioned are not atheists, imho.

What do you believe in, FLWR? 

I believe in the Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric.

then i think it's misleading to the point of being wrong to say you had an NDE. at best you had an OBE and not NDE. but even on the OBE out of body experience point, in scientific research, the strories are almost always accurate or at least consistent with reality. if you had an OBE that wasn't consistent with reality, then it was probably just a drug trip and not an autehntic OBE. 

ive read enough of NDE OBE research to know your story wasn't going to make sense, even before getting the details. 

Albert Einstein said in 1954, the year he died : “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”

The most accepted theory about these silly stories is that Moises had an encounter with an alien being. There are lot of videos in YouTube explaining that, aside from History channel. 

“There is no God. No one directs the universe,” Stephen Hawking writes in “Brief Answers to the Big Questions.”

n8nrgim,

I think this is true, but you've got to consider he refered to the Christian God. 

I have the impression though that Einstein believed in the Spinoza God, but I'm not so sure, let me check that out. 

See: https://www.epfl.ch/labs/lnco/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2009_Blanke_TNCchap_leaving-body-and-life-behind-obe-and-nde.pdf

I also think that atheism doesn't make sense because it's basically an ideological movement that appeared as a virulent reaction to religions.

Then, if religions for some reason disappear, so do atheism. 

In 1945 Guy Raner, Jr. wrote a letter to Einstein, asking him if it was true that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism. Einstein replied, "I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. ... It is always misleading to use anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human sphere—childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful harmony of the structure of this world—as far as we can grasp it, and that is all."

FYI, I am related to Einstein through the Koch family.

No, it's, if religions for some reason disappear, then atheism is correct.      Remember that Bill Gates is an atheist.

is there something in that article you want to argue? from what i see, they are proposing a theory that parts of our brain cause different NDE expereinces, but even the paper admits it's all speculative. 

it's always the same song and dance, NDE researchers establish science to back NDEs as real, and skeptics at best provide weak philosophical arguemnts and are weak when it comes to actual science. 

Remember that your Afterlife will be the same as your Beforelife.

The goal of life is to make as much money as you can and have the most sex you can.

OMG, I'm a Trumper.

Stephen,

As we can see, poor n8nrgim made a bible fool of themselves, especially since n8nrgim glossed over my post #7 that explicitly shows my Jesus' universe as depicted at the time of Him walking the earth as shown herewith again: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEPFLAY   Then, n8nrgim didn't comment upon the Bible's "Objective Morality" that I have learned to accept, even though it is brutal and bloody at best.  :(

Do you think that n8nrgim was just to SCARED to discuss the the two propositions of mine in showing that my serial killer JESUS AS GOD exists?   Or, is n8nrgim taking the road to RUN AWAY from biblical axioms like Miss Tradesecret and Critical-Tim have to do all the time to try and save face relative to actual Bible FACTS?  LOL!

Your comment upon Zipporah, the wife of Moses, having flaming red head, so maybe it wasn't  a burning bush that he was conversing with I am sure made Jesus smile.

Thank God that you didn't use the term burning bush relative to Zipporah needing a sexual union post haste at the time!

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