"If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot...", says Trump

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Is that even possible in the US?


From what I know, the police in the States are really brutal and the law seemingly allows them to be so. That's why I ask if it's possible to shoot a looter when is caught red handed considering that most of them are unarmed and according to human rights you can't shoot an unarmed person. Maybe it's possible given that americans don't give a shit to human rights (you still have death penalty), but on the other hand maybe it's not because most of the looters are black and the victimism can arise. That seems to be a dilemma.
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In Florida, Governor DeSantis said " You loot, we shoot!"
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In Florida, Governor DeSantis said " You loot, we shoot!"
Really? It's usual in a presidential election that candidates make promises impossible to keep like the wall payed by mexicans, but if there is another politician that says the same I guess it's possible.

Then, it is true that americans don't give a shit about human rights, don't they? What about black people rights to loot? :)
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Trump says things that republicans want to hear, such as:

"lets shoot migrants"

"lets grab women by pussies"

"lets nuke North Korea"

"lets burn more coal"

"lets not wear masks during covid"

"I am immune to covid"

"It's really cold outside, they are calling it a major freeze, weeks ahead of normal. Man, we could use a big fat dose of global warming!"

"If I am president, she is going to jail (refering to Hillary, his political opponent)"

"I will be phenomenal to the women. I mean, I want to help women."

"I think if this country gets any kinder or gentler, it's literally going to cease to exist."

"To be blunt, people would vote for me. They just would. Why? Maybe because I'm so good looking."

"When you see the other side chopping off heads, waterboarding doesn't sound very severe."

"The line of 'Make America great again,' the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody's using it, they are all loving it. I don't know, I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it."

"If Hillary Clinton can't satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?"

"@arianahuff is unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man - he made a good decision."

"My favourite part [of Pulp Fiction] is when Sam has his gun out in the diner and he tells the guy to tell his girlfriend to shut up. 'Tell that bitch to be cool. Say: Bitch be cool.' I love those lines."

"While @BetteMidler is an extremely unattractive woman, I refuse to say that because I always insist on being politically correct."

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“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,”
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They deserve to be shot but no you are not allowed to shoot them. You can shoot armed robbers though. 

To be clear I am pretty sure trump us referring to armed robbers not looters, if he is referring to looters he is likely just being hyperbolic
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Anyone who says "Defund the police" one year. And then: "We need more officers" the next year needs to have their citizenship revoked for being too stupid to exist in our society.
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Really? It's usual in a presidential election that candidates make promises impossible to keep
It is usual for candidates to make appeals to the desires of the electorate. It is not uncommon for those appeals to be beyond what can be delivered. What is new is that some candidates are completely willing to let their fascism flag fly. 

Then, it is true that americans don't give a shit about human rights, don't they? What about black people rights to loot? :)
A subset of the Republican party doesn't give a shit about certain groups of humans that are not male, not white, and/or not Christian. 
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To be clear I am pretty sure trump us referring to armed robbers not looters, if he is referring to looters he is likely just being hyperbolic
Well, I'm pretty sure Trump was referring to the looters because this is what is going on the most in the US, a group of people get into a store, they grab stuff like any real customer, get past the cashier without paying and just go out as if nothing happened. There are tons of videos in youtube of said cases, it's really a shame for the americans.

Besides, it doesn't make sense to talk about shooting armed robbers when the police do that all the time.
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"Defund the police" is a well known policy of the left party that allows them to rule the country without too much opposition in a long period of time. And don't get surprised if they propose to defund the army either.
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Are you upset that straight white males don't know their place in society? That they won't surrender quietly?

Tell us how you really feel!
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And don't get surprised if they propose to defund the army either.
Defunding the police is a precursor to martial law. Democrats will support martial law. Protection for the elites will always be, as we saw with Jan 6. There will always be the convenient excuse to destroy more liberties in the name of "national security." First the Patriot Act, and now Covid mandates taught us that the public is okay with that level of fascism and control over our lives.


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Defunding the police is a precursor to martial law. Democrats will support martial law. Protection for the elites will always be, as we saw with Jan 6. There will always be the convenient excuse to destroy more liberties in the name of "national security." Covid taught us that the public is okay with that level of fascism and control over our lives.
Yes, you're right, but before that they need to change the high command with other in line with the democrat party.
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When it's not possible to change the command, the left party usually creates a paramilitary group that will take over the country in the long run. But it depends on the context of each country.
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I'm a straight white male. 🙄

Im not a huge fan of racists, bigots, or fascists though...not even the ones that look like me.
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I'm a straight white male
I bet I am more white than you.

You are probably darker white and not trully pale.

I, on the other hand, am pure pale vampire white color like human is supposed to be.

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Yes, you're right, but before that they need to change the high command with other in line with the democrat party.
Have you seen the appointed generals in charge of the US military? All of them are far left.
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So you know your place, and have surrendered quietly. What a good person.
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I bet I am more white than you.

I, on the other hand, am pure pale vampire white color like human is supposed to be
Lol, well, I guess you win! 😄
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Lol, that's a nice troll response (and conversation stopper). 

My work is done here. 😉
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I wasn't the one bringing straight white males into a conversation about burglary laws...

That race card was played by you, and you apparently expected a chorus of Amens....
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If you say so. Maybe you should go take another look at my OR. Besides that, my response is fully relevant in that it points to groups of people in power who are vocal advocates for marginalization of out-groups. 

You're railing against 'authoritarian Democrats angling for marshal law' while simultaneously cheering the notion of roving badged executioners. It looks like cognitive dissonance from here. Maybe you'll explain how you sync those views.
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Have you seen the appointed generals in charge of the US military? All of them are far left.
Holy shit!!! 

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       You all know that Gp is really Matt Gaetz don't you?
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Spouts racial conspiracies....
How does that relate at all to robberies? Let's see your science behind your assertion.

while simultaneously cheering the notion of roving badged executioners. 
Again, you are bringing yet more unsubstantiated tripe into a thread that never existed before you showed up. What a good troll.
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Holy shit!!! 
Now you know the plan.

Create a problem only the Federal government can solve.
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I think you are referring to what Americans are calling flash mobs, I would differentiate them from looters and say yes they are a legitimate threat to staff because any attempt to physically stop hem will result in mob violence with a high risk of your own death. So yes using lethal force on a flash mob is justified. This is not to be confused with the flash mobs who just randomly dance in the subway or other harmless fun things
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In Russia, do they use the National Guard to keep order?
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Lol, that would explain so much. 
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Seriously? Your response to my questions is to cheer on a known forum troll with ridiculous and pointless ad-hom attacks? 

Let's add that to the list of things you brought here to this discussion:

1) Racial conspiracies.
2) Baseless assertions of my position.
3) Full support for ad-hom attacks.
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MSNBC host and lifelong debater Mehdi Hasan makes the case for ad hominems.

He says,

Liddle Marco. Lyin’ Ted. Low-Energy Jeb. 

The pundits derided Trump for his “use of vitriolic, ad hominem attacks” and dubbed him the “schoolyard debate champion” for having “insulted his way to the top of the GOP.”
Now, I’m not disputing that description of him, but what if I told you that Trump’s much-maligned tactics were not that different from those deployed by one of the most respected and accomplished orators and debaters in history? Back in Ancient Rome, the statesman, lawyer, and rhetorician Marcus Tullius Cicero was notorious for the invective he rained down upon his rivals. As the classical historian Valentina Arena has pointed out, in one famous argument, Cicero called his opponent Piso, the father-in-law of Julius Caesar, a belua (“monster”), bustum rei publicae (“funeral pyre of the commonwealth”), carnifex (“butcher”), furcifer (“scoundrel”), maialis(“gelded pig”), and inhumanissimum ac foedissimum monstrum (“most foul and inhuman monster”). Cicero, Arena added, also mocked his opponent’s physical appearance, including his “hairy cheeks and discolored teeth.” (Positively Trumpian!)