There was No Switch, just a deep state switching masks

Author: ADreamOfLiberty

Posts

Total: 18
Topic's author
#1
ADreamOfLiberty
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,269
3
2
2
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
ADreamOfLiberty
3
2
2
In keeping with DART tradition I'll start with the clip that evoked this comment: https://rumble.com/v36ph89-joe-rogan-points-out-the-left-is-pro-war-the-right-and-left-have-flipped.html

Many have asked how I know there is such a thing as a "deep state" and can infer its motives. This is how, if these were organic interests created by the world views and values of political tribes they wouldn't switch so rapidly and with such perfect inverse images.

George Bush was a deep state puppet. Colin Powell and Cheney were probably deep state influencers.

Obama either puppet or influencer.

Trump was not deep state and impeded them

Biden is either a puppet or influencer, probably used to be influencer

This is the true dynamic of our age. The social issues of "conservative" vs "liberal" is a puppet show for the ignorant masses. The only real choice is between deep state and non-deep state.

Only the policy on military spending, inflation, and foreign domination matter to the deep state. Only those who threaten that agenda are labeled racists. Only those who threaten that agenda are so "dangerous" as to wararnt subversion of elections beyond mass propaganda.
#2
WillyB
WillyB's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 36
0
0
5
WillyB's avatar
WillyB
0
0
5
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
If the deep state is real, trump is definitely a part of it. The swamp was never drained, it got muddier. Trump is a billionaire, from a billionaire family, Trump was friends with the Clintons and Jeffrey Epstein. Textbook establishment. Just because he was able to form a cult, doesn’t make any less of a corporate shill
Topic's author
#3
ADreamOfLiberty
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,269
3
2
2
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
ADreamOfLiberty
3
2
2
-->
@WillyB
The swamp was never drained, it got muddier.
It's true it did not get drained. It's unclear whether it got muddier or the swamp monsters got riled up.


Trump is a billionaire, from a billionaire family
True, but he (or his father) made their money without public office and he lost money in office. Although you could argue that his family didn't lose money, I need to investigate this Jared Saudi thing sometime. 2 billion is a ridiculously large amount of money. I assume it's some kind of investment and not payment for service rendered.


Trump was friends with the Clintons and Jeffrey Epstein. Textbook establishment.
Just because he swam in the swamp doesn't make him the same. In the end Clinton considered him no friend and he seems to have had no more contact with Epstein than people like Dershowitz.
#4
Vegasgiants
Vegasgiants's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 1,327
3
3
2
Vegasgiants's avatar
Vegasgiants
3
3
2
It's great making claims and not having to show evidence
#5
WillyB
WillyB's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 36
0
0
5
WillyB's avatar
WillyB
0
0
5
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
The only reason people don’t think he’s like the others, is because he conned, in most cases, the generally stupid people into thinking he was some kind of sacrificial lamb or martyr. The Saudi thing of course makes the original claim seem less plausible, as well as his dealings in Oman too. People need to see past his lies and realise he’s as bad as everyone else
#6
FLRW
FLRW's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 6,801
3
4
8
FLRW's avatar
FLRW
3
4
8
Trump’s explicit use of hateful speech—what was previously often coded language — was not original or unprecedented. President Donald Trump is not the only world leader who is accused of publicly denigrating people based on their racial, ethnic or religious backgrounds. But as has been widely documented, Trump violated numerous democratic and political norms in both the delivery and content of his speeches and was the only US President confirmed through empirical analysis of his campaign speeches to be a right-wing populist.
Topic's author
#7
ADreamOfLiberty
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,269
3
2
2
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
ADreamOfLiberty
3
2
2
-->
@WillyB
The only reason people don’t think he’s like the others, is because he conned, in most cases, the generally stupid people into thinking he was some kind of sacrificial lamb or martyr.
One little problem: They actually are going after him and did from the start.


The Saudi thing of course makes the original claim seem less plausible, as well as his dealings in Oman too. People need to see past his lies and realise he’s as bad as everyone else
As long as he's not the same side of bad the deep state is he could still be useful. Sometimes you have to arm the USSR if you want to kill the nazis.
#8
Athias
Athias's avatar
Debates: 20
Posts: 3,192
3
3
9
Athias's avatar
Athias
3
3
9
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
Many have asked how I know there is such a thing as a "deep state" and can infer its motives. This is how, if these were organic interests created by the world views and values of political tribes they wouldn't switch so rapidly and with such perfect inverse images.

George Bush was a deep state puppet. Colin Powell and Cheney were probably deep state influencers.

Obama either puppet or influencer.

Trump was not deep state and impeded them

Biden is either a puppet or influencer, probably used to be influencer

This is the true dynamic of our age. The social issues of "conservative" vs "liberal" is a puppet show for the ignorant masses. The only real choice is between deep state and non-deep state.

Only the policy on military spending, inflation, and foreign domination matter to the deep state. Only those who threaten that agenda are labeled racists. Only those who threaten that agenda are so "dangerous" as to wararnt subversion of elections beyond mass propaganda.
Trump is no less "sponsored" than his predecessors and successor. He didn't impede them at all (his Trade War with China is evidence of that.) The only presidents to actually "impede" were Jackson, Lincoln, McKinley, and Kennedy--and with the exception of one, they all have something in common.
#9
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
Only morons watch Joe Rogan
Topic's author
#10
ADreamOfLiberty
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,269
3
2
2
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
ADreamOfLiberty
3
2
2
-->
@FLRW
President Donald Trump is not the only world leader who is accused of publicly denigrating people based on their racial, ethnic or religious backgrounds.
He's the first to have millions of people believe that because they were told to believe that rather than any objectively justifiable interpretation of his statements.

In other words, he was the first (in a long time) where the lies were so transparent that the deep state media collusion became visible to those without insider knowledge.

Topic's author
#11
ADreamOfLiberty
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,269
3
2
2
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
ADreamOfLiberty
3
2
2
-->
@Athias
Trump is no less "sponsored" than his predecessors and successor. He didn't impede them at all (his Trade War with China is evidence of that.) The only presidents to actually "impede" were Jackson, Lincoln, McKinley, and Kennedy--and with the exception of one, they all have something in common.
There is only one other explanation for the propaganda and weaponisation: He's a deep state plant and this whole thing is a kabuki play that ends in a police state.


#12
Athias
Athias's avatar
Debates: 20
Posts: 3,192
3
3
9
Athias's avatar
Athias
3
3
9
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
There is only one other explanation for the propaganda and weaponisation: He's a deep state plant and this whole thing is a kabuki play that ends in a police state.
Bingo! Trump is part of the dialectic. To create a villain so insidious that "the solution" is the Anti-Trump: (1) Female, (2) "Of color," (3) Younger, (4) Extremely Liberal--i.e. Socialist, etc. Any ideas for candidates?
#13
WillyB
WillyB's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 36
0
0
5
WillyB's avatar
WillyB
0
0
5
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
One little problem: he’s a criminal and just an all round terrible person. People go after him because he’s the only one stupid enough to be caught for his crimes. Nothing he’s been attacked with is baseless. If they were going after him like he went after Obama for his birthplace, then sure he’d be under a false attack. But it’s not like that, he does criminal acts, then people are shocked that the authorities come after him🫢😮
Topic's author
#14
ADreamOfLiberty
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,269
3
2
2
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
ADreamOfLiberty
3
2
2
-->
@WillyB
One little problem: he’s a criminal
Everyone who signed the declaration of independence was a criminal... if you ask a tory judge.

Now either this is the first time (in a long time) that millions of people can no longer recognize objective crimes, or this is the first time (in a long time) that the deep state is making up crimes out of thin air to attack mainstream political opposition.

Either way, this time is different.
#15
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,288
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
Well.. you know, Biden has had a LOT of practice of eliminating people (like Shokin) that asked too many of the "wrong" questions....
#16
WillyB
WillyB's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 36
0
0
5
WillyB's avatar
WillyB
0
0
5
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
It’s the first time that millions of, let’s say very impressionable, people have been fully brainwashed and Trump knows this, after all he said that he could shoot someone in broad daylight and lose no voters. 16% of Americans still defend what Bush ordered in Iraq and around 25% thought Nixon shouldn’t be prosecuted. It’s clearly not the first time, or the last, that the American public has been stupid. Also I’m 2020 either millions rejected the objective results of the election or millions rejected objective election fraud, so clearly not the first time in a long time. The last thing to describe MAGA sausages as is rational, so don’t expect them to act like normal people.
Topic's author
#17
ADreamOfLiberty
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,269
3
2
2
ADreamOfLiberty's avatar
ADreamOfLiberty
3
2
2
-->
@WillyB
You can't seem to remember what your own point was. You said he was different because he's a criminal and this was supposed to be a response to my assertion that he's different because he was opposed to the deep state agenda. Now you're saying it's more of the same. Make up your mind or go debate those other assertions you keep making.
#18
WillyB
WillyB's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 36
0
0
5
WillyB's avatar
WillyB
0
0
5
-->
@ADreamOfLiberty
Trump is the same, like I said they’re all criminals. Trump is just so stupid that he actually may get caught and convicted. Your first comment was baseless and you just made it all up to make you feel better that your orange daddy may be going to jail. He doesn’t care about you, and as much as you may want him to blow your back out, he won’t. You said that people who impede the deep state are racist, Biden is called racist, Bush was called racist and so was Reagan, all are establishment shills. What proof did you have for your first claim of the deep states aims? Absolutely nothing, just some hurt feelings because the guy you meat ride is in the shit.