Anti-God Sonnet "Poor Design"

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Look at our deluded pathetic world
Filled with idiots, evil, rape and killings
Can anyone seriously claim that
This is the product of great God's thinkings

Ask anyone you meet anywhere on this Earth
Can you imagine a world better, good
Everyone will say yes without a doubt
Perfect design, better throw that word out

World is designed so poorly and badly
4 year old would create better, sadly
God is evil or he is crazy, mad
Lack of third option makes believer sad

No way to justify the world of pain
What benefit would good God even gain?
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many an atheist: "i dont believe in God, and i hate God" 
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I am not an atheist.
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I just like to criticize God for his mistakes.
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Not a very good sonnet. 
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Angel:  God, someone from DebateArt is making fun of you again

God: Is it that real old Trump hater guy?

Angel: No, it's that young good looking guy.

God: Well, you know that there is nothing I can do about it since I'm in God prison.
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i wouldn't assume all the bad stuff that happens is a mistake. struggles make us stronger, we are co creators in that sense, we use our free will to manifest a better world. evil is the result of free will, and we are simply allowed to suffer the consequences due to us living in community... it goes with the territory. suffering, when someone has a disease, jesus said it is to glorify God when they can one day be disease free, like a man born blind who one day will see. these are the way i see it.... conservative christians view it as the result of the fall of man, punishment as a result of a sinful world. that's not how i see it, but it's possible. 
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when someone has a disease, jesus said it is to glorify God when they can one day be disease free
Thats like glorifying someone who gave you a bandage after repeatedly punching you.
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I know u r being tongue in cheek, but the proper analogy wouldn't be God hitting us, but rather God letting us be hit

Do u view God as unable or willing to fix bad stuff? Do u think he has evil motives? Do u view him as George Carlin said of God, a lazy incompetent father figure who doesn't give a fuck?

I view God as unwilling and to some extent unable but unlike atheists i say it'sfor a good purpose. It's in our best interest to experience what we do.
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People who experience the afterlife also tell us that thus life is like a dream and fleeting. I know it's hard to be of consolation when we r suffering, but it's still consoling if this life is but a dream
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but the proper analogy wouldn't be God hitting us, but rather God letting us be hit
No. If I give a child a gun, it is my fault if the child uses it and shoots itself.
There is no defending God creating  everything, all diseases and putting me in this environment somehow not being his fault.
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I view God as unwilling and to some extent unable but unlike atheists i say it'sfor a good purpose. It's in our best interest to experience what we do.
I like more the idea that we are actually what religions call God, because the only being that is able to experience is God, and the only being able to create is God, so we are God because we're going on with the process of creation that was once started in this world. As you said, we co-create.

The problem is that we don't know we're God or part of this God, and I think there lies the problem of this fucking world, the ignorance of who we really are. Maybe that's the main flaw of this system, maybe we as God are neither omnipotent nor omniscient as religions claim. We as God don't know everything we need to know so that's why we're experimenting, commiting errors, complaining all the time and eventually drawing conclusions.

But only time will tell. I expect this fucking allien civilization shows up already and tell us all the damn truth we deserve to know.
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we are God, we are also the universe discovering itself. we are part of creation. when people go to the other side, they will wonder why they let people starve to death and didn't do more to make progress for our species and the planet. 
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I view God as unwilling and to some extent unable but unlike atheists i say it'sfor a good purpose. It's in our best interest to experience what we do.
So every murder and every rape is in our best interest? It is all good for us? Its all good? Yeah, how about some other theory, preferably the one that doesnt say how being raped is in victim's best interest.
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So every murder and every rape is in our best interest? It is all good for us?


 The Son's of God committed rape.
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Yes, even a casual reading of the Bible is enough to show that JHVH is surprisingly enthusiastic about rape, not to mention other crimes. How about throwing children to hungry bears because they thought you looked funny?
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It is usually best to skip those parts of the Bible that cannot be in any way justified by any sane individual.
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So every murder and every rape is in our best interest? It is all good for us?


 The Son's of God committed rape.


It is usually best to skip those parts of the Bible that cannot be in any way justified by any sane individual.
It is for the Christian.
Indeed. Even if "the lord does work in mysterious ways".
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It is usually best to skip those parts of the Bible that cannot be in any way justified by any sane individual.
True dat