History is written by the winners

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History is written by the winners

Go to the shows notes links after the video.
Highly encourage all of you to listen to this video.

You will learn a lot that I can guarantee… If you really wanna learn what really happened in WW1 and do actually research. You can start digging… By the way, WW1 really didn't start in 1914. Sure that where the fighting began. But these war talks started well before this. Look back all the way to 1890’s. There were clear talks and links to this kind of world war talks back then. And over these years it only grow. Oh yeah, if you didn't already know WW1 and the aftermath is one of the biggest causes to WW2. It very important to understand our history. What was told to us by the mainstream media wasn't all true. They were as much being control and manipulated back then just like they are now.  

So, go ahead and learn what really went down…

SHOW NOTES

The WWI

Gerry Docherty on the Hidden History of WWI

How & Why Big Oil Conquered the World

Norman Dodd On Tax Exempt Foundations

Archive.org repository of Reece Committee documents

Rene Wormser on The Canegie Endowment’s role in molding public opinion

The Guns of August

The Innocence of Kaiser Wilhelm II

Daily Telegraph Affair

MacMillan intelligencesquared debate

Meet Margaret MacMillan, David Lloyd George’s great-granddaughter

Meet Margaret MacMillan, former Rhodes Trustee

Jim and Gerry’s Hidden History blog

Fake History. How The Money Power Controls Our Future By Controlling Our Past

Fake History 3: From Burning Correspondence To Permanently Removing The Evidence

( By the way, I would highly recommend you look at  fake history 3) But again to really get the full understanding you need to listen to the whole video I posted.

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Most history is fake news.
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This is why you have to research yourself.
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Deserve a bump.

Again this is educational for all of you. 

Learn your History!



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What is your method for telling what is and what is not 'fake'?

i assume everyone is biased.

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"we learn the most from our mistakes"...Bucky Fuller

..."Human history has been shaped by the continual growth and success of greed. City-states were the first institutions to make organised use of extortion (p. 68).

....This was then followed by the growth of international trade, which appropriates the wealth of the planet for its own ends. Corruption in the form of "lawyer-capitalism" has led the U.S.A. to become effectively bankrupt (p. 114). Government subsidies given to corporations amount to socialism (p. 101).

Eventually the U.S. taxpayers will be asked to make "free-of-risk" bail-outs of "private" enterprises
— Fuller, p.87



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@Nd24007
History is written by the winners
Fuller follows along this avenue of Kennedys thought below in his book Critical Path.

Stating that the WW1 was about who was going to control the world mineral resources via sea superiority.  I just finished reading Clive Cussler adventure novel --"The Spy"--   with Dreadnoughts and spys being the central theme.  I have never heard of Dreadnaughts before reading his book.  An ok  read that reminded me of Doc Savage { 1933 }

..."Arms races

.....The German-British naval arms race drastically intensified after the 1906 launch of the HMS Dreadnought, a revolutionary battleship that made all previous battleships obsolete.

...A major naval arms race in shipbuilding developed, related to the concept of new imperialism, furthering the interest in alliances. Kennedy argues that both nations adopted U.S. Rear Admiral Alfred Thayer Mahan's conclusion that control of the oceans was vital to a great nation. (Kennedy, 1997)"..

...."No, he’s not a mash-up of Superman and Batman; rather, he’s Clark (Doc) Savage, Jr, a character created in 1933 by Lester Dent. And he actually served as inspiration for Superman and Batman.

...Savage’s height of popularity was during the chaos of the Depression and World War II. (He also experienced a brief resurgence through reprints of the original novels during the Vietnam era.)




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History isn't written by the winners, it's influenced by the winners.

The current people in power and in academia also influence history's teaching. This is why we now follow the trend of "guilt history" because progressives and modernists are the current people writing the history to be taught in classrooms. 

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..."guilt history"....
# 6...."we learn the most from our mistakes"...Bucky Fuller

United Nations not actually uniting nations is likely the largest mistake humanity has made ergo we had M.A.Destruction for since WW 2 for many years, before humanity exercised wisdom/smarts in late 80's early 90's.

Now we have entered the digitatl age with new ways to kill off a lot of humans via digitally shutting off power sources.

Fullers world-energy-grid connecting night and day sides of planet as a unified network of energy sourcing could alleviate --not end--  some of those concerns as its conception would start from wholistic considerations of humanity not any one nation over another.

CIA = Capatilisms Invisible Army

GRU = Main Intelligence Directorate { Russia }

SVR = foreign intelligence service { Russia }

FSB = foreign intelligence service { Russia }

MSS = ministry of state security { china }

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Independance from the grid is fundamentally superior to negotiating with codefied monopoly.  Ideally, everyone on grid would have a stake, and the state/people would have the capacity to facilitate in case of emergency.

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"we learn the most from our mistakes"...Bucky Fuller
Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.
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Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.
we learn the most from "our" mistakes ergo "our" is all inclusive not excluding others, them, we, or I.

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Ideally, everyone on grid would have a stake, and the state/people would have the capacity to facilitate in case of emergency.
Your talking about a corporate share.  Corporate shares began with East India Company.

So show on Stone Henge and new info shows there were maybe as few as 10,000 people on English continent 2,500 years ago and 4000 of those people from all over the continent would come to vilage work camp near Stone Henge and have huge feast of pigs etc.  They know this via know strontium levels at differrent places on continent ergo the cut the pigs teeth to match strontium content to where they came from.

So these were the end of the stone age communal-like peoples who cremated their dead in pit around Stone Henge.

The around 2000 years ago the Beaker { small beaker shaped pottery } people buried their dead invidiually in mounds. At least one of he not many of these Beaker people came from Euorpe and was buried with beakers but also copper dagger and gold ring like things.

I'm  not opposed to unequal shares, I am opposed to humanity not having a spiritually based All-for-One and One-for-All from the get go.

You and others dont seem to grasp that >< divide between rich and poor is not the pathway to longer term survival of humanity on Earth.

All of humanity needs to know that, the spirit of going forward is all inclusive not exclusive and directed towards a fat middle-class <>.

This is pretty simple minimal brainer. A class system based on finances, race, gender will never work.  That should be obvious to those who follow rational, logical common sense pathways of thought.



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No, I'm not talking about a corporate share.  What made you say that?  You also chose to delete the first sentence, before making a corporatized equivalency to your disordered way of thinking about social responsibility.
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No, I'm not talking about a corporate share.
yes you are

"stake" = corporate share ergo more shares individual owns more electric power they are allowed to access.



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As an example, does dual source heating sound like a corporate share?  How about a windmill, either private or communal?  Should people feel attached to their consumption?  A corporate share surely arises from a naive and inflexible way of thinking
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Omg, the family ties of these experts. Of course, I expected bias from the Anglosphere upper classes when it came to this subject, but being the literal descendants of the key players of the conflict? Lol, hilarious. Plus the debate. 'Are you sure it's been 10 minutes?' LOL.
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My only methods is to dig for the truth.

You won't hear it from the frist news source or by someone just mentioning something.

Now if you really want the truth you have to dig around for it. Very rarely you get the truth in one article or one news source.. in most cases you have to dig and search for yourself. 

I get the sense you haven't watched this video again I would suggest that you do...



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At least you watch some of the video. I not sure, you actually watched the whole thing. 

The other points you are missing or didn't address is our history been a lie. At least in a sense that we haven't been told the full truth. There's are literally thousands of documents that isn't for the public view or even for the expert to view them. I wonder why?  If the story is true then why hide these documents? What are they hiding?

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Thanks for the reply. I will look more into this...
Upon further review...
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It really rather the same the winners and the influence. They still spreading the same message. 
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 How about a windmill, either private or communal?  
Fair enough if your feeding power into the grid then you have a "stake" that is not exactly a share but is considered in its power accounting into the system just as as share is accounted for by what $ is put in.

Ex if own all of USA territory ---rich person-- and fill it with windmills ocean waves and solar panels, and they all feed into the grid, then you will have a larger "stake" in the grid, that a poor person in  backwoords of siberia.

Should people feel attached to their consumption?
If your private ownership USA is feeding in, then that has to be accounted for. If your USA territory is using more energy than it is feeding in then that also has to be accounted for.

 A corporate share surely arises from a naive and inflexible way of thinking
It arose so as to minimize the East India Companys losses if the ship was lost at sea.
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My only methods is to dig for the truth.
My method is not letting The Corbett Report dig it for me.  

Basic rule: Just because it's not mainstream doesn't mean it's true!


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He never said everything he said was true. He only directing you to other vauleable information. So, you can decide for yourself. At least he has proof to back up what he is saying...

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History of trade wars is not good so maybe Idio-ump will listen to Apples Tom Cook.

Fuller also states in "Utopia or Oblivion" { 1969 } that we could do away with all governments and humanity would find ways to carry  on just fine.

Fuller also states, that what his self-initiatives accomplished could not have been done in more socialist governent ergo initative of the individual has to be considered in any government.

"we learn the most from our mistakes"...Bucky Fuller or mistakes of others etc.

..."Human history has been shaped by the continual growth and success of greed. City-states were the first institutions to make organised use of extortion (p. 68).

....This was then followed by the growth of international trade, which appropriates the wealth of the planet for its own ends. Corruption in the form of "lawyer-capitalism" has led the U.S.A. to become effectively bankrupt (p. 114). Government subsidies given to corporations amount to socialism (p. 101).

..Eventually the U.S. taxpayers will be asked to make "free-of-risk" bail-outs of "private" enterprises.— Fuller, p.87......

This has bailout happen in 2008 at end of Bush beginning of Obama term ---what a mess he was left with--  with Chrsyleer twice, GM once and Ford also got money but not because of any financial difficulties, it was a freebie to them that was designated for newer hybrid-electric efficient vehicles.  I forget if it was a billion or how much.

And wasnt in the 90's when the huge bailout happen. Svaings and loan? I forget the identity/label of those banks{?} that went under.

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I agree history is written by winners if Caesar lost to Pompeii, he would have been seen as a bad guy.
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We're all descendants of the winners. Our ancestors built civilizations upon the graves of the losers. Just about doesn't matter who you are, at some point down the line your ancestors conquered and settled land that previously belonged to someone else.
Modern man is remarkably compassionate compared to virtually any of his forebears.
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Modern man is remarkably compassionate compared to virtually any of his forebears.
.."Holiday in Cambodia Everybody Dressed in Black"........Dead Kennedys Punk Rock

..."The finding—based on estimates of war casualties throughout history—undercuts the popular argument that humans have become a more peaceful species over time, thanks to advances in technology and governance. But some critics aren’t convinced."...

...“Some might take that to mean our species has always been violent,” he says. “But the flip side is, we are also as peaceful as we’ve always been.”....

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.."There were 827 children murdered in South Africa in 2012/13. That is more than two a day. Added to that is the 21,575 children who were assaulted, with almost half of those assaults being severe."....
......alos remember the "Zulu" movie about tribe in Africa.....

Bosmian war{s} ---as a reference point---   we learned about humans have an empathy center in the brain that allows them to treat former neighbor ands friends so barbacrically.

At least moderned humans in Britain abolished slavery before modern humans in USA.

Then there is the documemtary that showed in the 150 years before "Jamestown"Virginia was Saint Agustine Florida developed by Spanish but the British were much more cruel than the Spanish in all respects. 

Yes Union army{ the north }  won the war and Martin Luther King stated after his peacful march in suburb{ Cicero }  of Chicago people in the south need to come up north to learn how to hate.

The southern confederates lost the war but  they passed on their culture to future generation just as any culture does.

IF humanity annihilates{ losers } itself via hydrogen bombs there will be no one to write a history to write. If a few survive it  may be because they lived on the fringes of society to begin with.