Cluster Bomb Morality

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War is hell, and in most cases --if not all---, the nation responding to an aggressor has to take on tactics of the aggressor nation. Morality goes out the window in war.

1} cluster bombs are like land mines, in that they leave non-exploded bombs scattered over terrain and embedded in grass and soil, buildings etc, just waiting for a child to stumble upon the,. Putins war initiated this cluster bombs and with older technology with higher chances of un-exploded smaller bombs scattered over terrain

....." Since the inception of the U.S. Humanitarian Mine Action Program in 1993, and its merging into our overall Conventional Weapons Destruction program in subsequent years, the United States has delivered more than $4.6 billion in aid to help overcome threats from landmines and unexploded ordnance, as well as the ..."
https://www.state.gov/key-topics-office-of-weapons-removal-and-abatement/
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From your link: Cluster munitions have demonstrated military utility. Their elimination from U.S. stockpiles would put the lives of its soldiers and those of its coalition partners at risk. Moreover, cluster munitions can often result in much less collateral damage than unitary weapons, such as a larger bomb or larger artillery shell would cause, if used for the same mission.
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..." They are designed to be exploded by the presence, proximity, or contact of a person. The 1997 Mine Ban Treaty comprehensively bans the use, production, stockpiling, and transfer of antipersonnel mines, and requires states to destroy their stockpiles and clear all mined areas as well as assist landmine survivors."..
https://www.hrw.org/topic/arms/landmines

So will morality every address Cluster Bombs? Not anytime soon apparrently.  War is hell, long after the war is over.

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Morality goes out the window in war
Well stated.

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...."1943 in USSR:
Soviet forces use air-dropped cluster munitions against German armour. German forces use SD-1 and SD-2 butterfly bombs against artillery on the Kursk salient."...

..."1960s–1970s in Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam:
US forces make extensive use of cluster munitions in bombing campaigns. The ICRC estimates that in Laos alone, 9 to 27 million unexploded submunitions remain, and some 11,000 people have been killed or injured, more than 30 percent of them children. An estimate based on US military databases states that 9,500 sorties in Cambodia delivered up to 87,000 air-dropped cluster munitions."...



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Cluster bombs are a type of explosive weapon which releases multiple smaller submunitions upon detonation. While these weapons can be effective in warfare, their use is highly controversial due to the negative impacts they have on civilian populations and the environment. In this essay, I will argue that cluster bombs should not be used because of their devastating consequences for civilians and nature alike.

First off, when cluster bombs are deployed in populated areas or close to civilian infrastructure such as schools or hospitals, innocent people often bear the brunt of these weapons’ destructive power. Cluster munitions disperse hundreds of small bomblets over a wide area; some fail to explode immediately but remain active until disturbed by an unsuspecting person who may then suffer severe injury or death from its blast radius. Furthermore, unexploded ordnance (UXO) created by failed submunitions can contaminate entire regions for years after deployment making them unsafe and unable to support human habitation until it is cleared away at great cost both financially and environmentally speaking .

Secondly ,the environmental impact caused by cluster bomb usage cannot be understated either . The destruction wrought upon ecosystems from explosions themselves is immense enough with flora being destroyed along with fauna killed outright ; however there are also other long-term effects linked with UXO contamination including soil degradation leading ultimately towards desertification . This has been seen most notably in Iraq where large swaths land have become contaminated since 2003 rendering them useless for agriculture purposes thus exacerbating food insecurity issues within certain parts Iraqi population centers . 

Finally , even though proponents may claim that using such weaponry helps win wars more quickly thereby preventing further loss life overall , one must consider whether any victory achieved through means justifies its costs especially when those costs involve taking innocent lives while simultaneously destroying our planet’s ecology beyond repair ? It seems clear then that despite potential military advantages associated with deploying cluster munitions any gains made would come at too high price pay both morally ethically speaking as well economically environmentally so we must conclude therefore that they should never used again no matter what circumstances might arise.

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Do you purposely take difficult to support stances on every issue?

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Since the Russian Federation is using cluster bombs in the war, it is morally acceptable for Ukraine to use them as well. The Union in the American Civil War and the United Kingdom in World War II made similar arguments.
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No, having the highest IQ here, I take the correct stance on the issues I address. Pevensie has the correct response.
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Highly intelligent people see a world and possibilities most don't. They recognize patterns and interconnectedness differently; they see abstractions where others see only tangible things. They see the underlying themes, the causes, and the consequences.


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No, having the highest IQ here, I take the correct stance on the issues I address. Pevensie has the correct response.
So because the USA used nukes to end a war, Russia should as well. That's the correct response. 

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”

—Friedrich Nietzsche.
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    Highly intelligent people see a world and possibilities most don't. They recognize patterns and interconnectedness differently; they see abstractions where others see only tangible things. They see the underlying themes, the causes, and the consequences.

This is a broad generalization about highly intelligent people, suggesting that they universally possess a unique perception of the world. Intelligent people all have different cognitive strengths and ways of processing information. History has shown many genius IQ people are, in fact, idiot savants, being strong at some mental tasks and completely inept at others. Bobby Fischer being a notable example with his insane political takes.

People's cognitive abilities and perspectives can vary widely, regardless of their intelligence level. While some highly intelligent individuals may excel in pattern recognition or abstract thinking, others may have strengths in different areas, such as emotional intelligence or spatial reasoning. Howard Gardner's multiple levels of intelligence demonstrates that many people possess functional intelligence not easily measured on a standard IQ test.

"Recognizing patterns" is mostly driven with a person's experiences, both nature and nurture, reflecting a person's cultural background, and thier environment. Highly intelligent people could indeed have had a diverse life with many experiences that shape their perspectives, leading to varied ways of seeing the world, or the inverse can be true, where a high IQ person may have lead a cloistered life exposed to theoretical perceptions, but lack the real world nuances of many real situations.

But know that I would never slander any high IQ person by comparing them to the famous idiot/savant Bobby Fischer.
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Finally , even though proponents may claim that using such weaponry helps win wars more quickly thereby preventing further loss life overall , one must consider whether any victory achieved through means justifies its costs especially when those costs involve taking innocent lives while simultaneously destroying our planet’s ecology beyond repair ? It seems clear then that despite potential military advantages associated with deploying cluster munitions any gains made would come at too high price pay both morally ethically speaking as well economically environmentally so we must conclude therefore that they should never used again no matter what circumstances might arise.
The really nasty thing about deploying cluster mines is that most of the people killed are children years later. It's like some sick joke after the people who launched them are long gone. Blind atrocities are always easy to justify.

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The Union in the American Civil War and the United Kingdom in World War II made similar arguments.
The UK also made the arguments that just because Germany used V1 and V2 rockets didn't mean they should reciprocate. UK also did not gas large populations of ethnic people that were deemed a threat to the UK, preferring to intern those with German ties instead.

The Union took the high ground regarding POW's instead of using the barbarism of the Confederacy to justify similar atrocities. Confederates also used explosive bullets, which the Union rejected using on moral grounds.