Wapo celebrates Biden's order to produce child killing bombs.

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Jimmy criticizes President Biden for approving the supply of cluster munitions to Ukraine. He mentioned that the United States was one of the last countries manufacturing and using cluster bombs, despite their widely recognized dangers. Cluster bombs have a high failure rate, often remaining unexploded and posing risks to civilians for years after conflicts end. Jimmy highlights that more than 120 countries have joined a convention banning the use of cluster bombs due to their inhumane and indiscriminate nature. He criticizes the decision to bypass U.S. law and the disregard for international laws in the pursuit of selling old weapons. Jimmy sarcastically mentioned that "failing bombs" should be given a chance with equity and inclusion, sarcastically highlighting the dangers and risks associated with these weapons. He also commented on the potential risks to civilians and the need to consider the long-term consequences of using cluster munitions.

Critics of Wapo and President Biden's decision to approve the supply of cluster munitions to Ukraine have raised several key concerns.  By disregarding the potential harm to civilians, the United States is undermining efforts to protect innocent lives. Cluster bombs, known for their indiscriminate nature and high failure rates, pose long-lasting dangers even after conflicts end. This decision also violates international norms, as over 120 countries have joined a convention banning the use of cluster munitions due to their inhumane and indiscriminate nature. The United States should align with global commitments and prioritize the protection of civilian populations instead of grinding meat for the industrial complex.

Another critique focuses on the inconsistency of U.S. policy. Providing cluster munitions directly contradicts the country's stance on promoting peace, security, democracy, and human rights. Critics argue that it sends mixed messages about the United States' commitment to international law and its obligation to safeguard civilian lives during armed conflicts. Cluster bombs have a high potential for causing harm, as they often fail to detonate upon impact and become de facto landmines.
The colorful display of the small bomblet makes children think they are discarded toys and blow themselves up on touch. Providing these weapons to Ukraine increases the risk of civilian casualties and perpetuates a cycle of violence and suffering.

Environmental impact is also a significant concern. Cluster munitions not only threaten human life but also have severe consequences for the environment. Unexploded submunitions can contaminate land, rendering it unsafe for agricultural use and displacing populations. The decision to supply cluster munitions disregards U.S. laws that restrict their production and transfer, raising questions about the government's commitment to upholding domestic legislation designed to limit the use of these dangerous weapons. Much of Ukraine is already a devastated wasteland because of the years of artillery warfare that the US has encouraged...to the last Ukrainian...

Relying on cluster munitions also undermines the international credibility and moral standing of the United States on the global stage. It should raise troubling strategic and ethical concerns, especially when there are alternative means to support Ukraine's defense needs without resorting to such controversial weapons. Even as the USA is  perpetually adamant about brokering a negotiated peace treaty.
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USA ran out of regular ammo.

So either Ukraine gets defeated either Ukraine gets cluster bombs.

Now, cluster bombs are one of the most horrible violation of human rights. This is because they have wide range of explosion and using them anywhere near civilians results in civilian deaths.

Further, every cluster bomb leaves behind at least 1 unexploded small bomb. So even if no civilians were killed by the first explosion, some may still be killed if they find themselves near unexploded small bomb.

It would be more logical to give Ukraine modern warplanes.

Cluster bombs are only used in most desperate situations.

Ukraine will most certainly use cluster bombs in civilian areas. Ukraine had no problem with bombing its own civilians from year 2014 and on.
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Of course, this will also motivate Russia to also use more of its own cluster bombs and even more of its destructive arsenal.

Is it smart to fight a war you cant win? No. War against Russia cannot be won. Everyone knows this.
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The only way to save Ukraine is to give it nuclear weapons.
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Imagine being an adult and watching Jimmy Dore thinking you are being informed on current events and government. You might as well be watching Howard Stern. 

The reason this country can’t address our challenges is we have so many adults who are unable or unwilling to exercise good critical thinking skills.

In a Democracy, the people will always get the government they deserve.
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Imagine being an adult and reading Wapo thinking you are being informed on politics.

You might as well be watching MSNBC. 

The reason this country can’t address our challenges is we have so many adults who are unable or unwilling to exercise good critical thinking skills.

In a Democracy, the people get the government they deserve, like the current corrupt regime.

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Imagine being an adult and reading Wapo thinking you are being informed on politics.
Ya, WAPO and Jimmy Dore - same thing. 

MSNBC has never paid out 787 million dollars for lying about an election.

There is nothing corrupt about the Biden Administration. You believe that because you watch Jimmy Dore and believe that idiot.

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Ya, WAPO and Jimmy Dore - same thing. 
Well said.

There is nothing corrupt about the Biden Administration. 
Other than selling internationally banned landmines, sure. A perfect administration just like Trump's perfect Ukraine phone call.
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Other than selling internationally banned landmines, sure. A perfect administration just like Trump's perfect Ukraine phone call.
That’s a lie. They are cluster bombs, not landlines and they are being given, not sold. They aren’t banned by the United States. Russia is using the same kind of munitions in Ukraine. As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Giving munitions to an ally does not constitute “corruption”. 

Trump was attempting to bribe and extort the President of Ukraine by offering munitions or withholding munitions in exchange for help with his reelection.

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They are cluster bombs, not landlines and they are being given, not sold.

WAPO article I cited says they are illegal because they have a greater than 1% failure rate, and according to the Wapo article it's known that a cluster bomblet that does not immediately detonate becomes a land mine. The cluster bombs were part of a defense package sold to the American taxpayers, who indeed paid for every child killing landmine. Most of the taxpayers being Democrats.

And Wapo is a perfect news rag, just like the Biden Administration.
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It would be more logical for the Russian leaders to stop being aggressive arses with an insecurity complex.

But such is the Russian spirit I suppose.


And any sort of bomb kills people.

I distinctly remember the Americans bombing a wedding party in Afghanistan not so long ago.


But hey.

8 Billion minus a few peasants.


And Covid killed 7 million

Whereas armed conflict only claims 100,000 per annum approx.


Therefore cluster bombs are safer than viruses.

Logic is BRILLIANT.
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and according to the Wapo article it's known that a cluster bomblet that does not immediately detonate becomes a land mine. 
Does it? Does it really? Or are you making up shit as usual?

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Does it? Does it really?

Well said.
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That was a question genius. And the answer is no, you lie. Because you’re a liar.

The cluster bombs were part of a defense package sold to the American taxpayers,
What is this nonsense?
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WAPO article I cited says they are illegal because they have a greater than 1% failure rate, and according to the Wapo article it's known that a cluster bomblet that does not immediately detonate becomes a land mine
all munitions have a failure rate. Every grenade ever thrown, every  missile ever fired, every bomb ever dropped, have some that fail. Probably at higher than 1%. So saying that any munition that could fail is a landmine, is willful ignorance. 

The cluster bombs were part of a defense package sold to the American taxpayers
this is nonsense. Americans aren't "buying" them. They are giving them. 

Cluster munitions are terrible weapons. I would fully approve them being fully banned and never used. However, Russia is extensively using them. They are also heavily mining large areas of Ukraine. So saying that Ukraine using them somehow makes the situation worse, is a little silly. The areas these will be used in, are already being heavily mined and cluster bombed anyway. I don't see how it makes the situation much worse. And if it helps Ukraine win the war, then all the better. They will help save lives. 
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That was a question genius. And the answer is no, you lie. Because you’re a liar.

Reported for ad homs

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This article suggests Russia will feel compelled to use similar weapons as the Americans continue to escalate instead of negotiate.


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this is nonsense. Americans aren't "buying" them. They are giving them. 
76.8 billion dollars of aid was sold to the taxpayers as necessary to defend "US interests." It's obvious the return on that investment will also pay for the munitions in the future much like the exploitation of Iraq did after that proxy war for profit.

I find it amazing how much the common man feels so closely aligned with the war-for-profit industry. As if there could be no collateral drawbacks from such an alliance.
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This article suggests Russia will feel compelled to use similar weapons as the Americans continue to escalate instead of negotiate.
so they will feel compelled to use the weapons the have been using the whole time? That doesn't make much sense. They are using them today. they were using them last week. They will use them next week. Providing Ukraine the same kinds of weapons doesn't change that. 

This "article" is just quoting a russian official. It doesn't have any information at all on the Russia's current usage of them.

Ukraine using them too doesn't change the fact that this entire region will need to be demined after Ukraine wins regardless. 

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after Ukraine wins regardless. 

What's going to happen to the Donbas Russians if Ukraine conquers them and wins the civil war? Mass Exile? Like the USA did to the Native Americans? Trail of Siberian Tears?

Since I am generally against forced relocations, I am hoping the Russian dug trenches will hold long enough for Americans to get distracted with another plaything.

If "winning" means a return to the 2014 peace agreement before USA started the 2014 civil war, then I am in full support of such a "victory"
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What's going to happen to the Donbas Russians if Ukraine conquers them and wins the civil war? Mass Exile? Like the USA did to the Native Americans? Trail of Siberian Tears?
they will get a choice. They can remain in Ukraine and be Ukrainians, or they can go to Russia (who have already given them russian citizenship) and be russian. I don't think a short car ride is anything like the trail of tears. It's just a drive across a border. There are major russian cities like 30 minutes away.

Since I am generally against forced relocations,
it isn't a forced relocation. They get a choice of whether they want to be russian or Ukranian. They only need to leave if they decide they want to belong to a foreign country. 

I am hoping the Russian dug trenches will hold long enough for Americans to get distracted with another plaything.
this is pretty terrible. Census data from the region shows that Ukranians made up the largest ethnic group in the area before the russians started killing them. Russians are the majority now only because Russia forced Ukrainians to flee or die. 

f "winning" means a return to the 2014 peace agreement before USA started the 2014 civil war, then I am in full support of such a "victory"
lol what? russia armed and funded terrorists as a pretext to invade. Russia started the civil war. But I'm glad you are in favor of returning Ukraine to their 2014 borders. They also need to get crimea back, but the 2014 borders are a good starting point. 
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Reported for ad homs
Calling someone a liar after they have lied is not an ad hom.

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but the 2014 borders are a good starting point. 

Agreed.
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The US did not “run out of ammo” lol and war against Russia would easily be won if we put even half of our force on the front line against them. If we used the full power of our Navy, Air Force, Army, Marine Core and Delta force the war in Russia would be over in 6 months max. Probably a lot less. 

We have better equipment, better rifles, better tanks, better helicopters, better jets, better trained army. The only advantage they have is that they have more soldiers. That doesn’t mean much, when you’re dealing with a highly unorganized military as Russia has. 
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The US did not “run out of ammo”
Biden said it did. Are you saying that Biden lied?

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I'm not sure that anyone will win.
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I'm not sure that anyone will win.
It may be sad, it might not have been worth the cost, but someone will win. Russia's goal was to annex and/or puppet Ukraine. It's not clear whether they meant to annex all of Ukraine, or just like half of it and violently install a puppet ruler over the rest. 

So if the fighting ends and Ukraine exists, then they won. If Ukraine ceases to exist, or russia successfully installs a puppet ruler over Ukraine, then they won. 

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The US did not “run out of ammo”
Biden said it did. Are you saying that Biden lied?

they are running out of ammo they can safely give without depleting their own combat ability. So there is much more ammo, but if they give it and china starts another war, they wouldn't be able to respond effectively.