The Intelligent Opposition

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I have observed that a number of members in this forum tend to view people who disagree with their politics as intellectually inferior. I think it is a mistake to do this. In that spirit, let’s try to name at least one person, famous or not, who has an opposing political worldview whom we nonetheless consider to be intelligent. I’ll go first:

Noam Chomsky (probably the smartest yet most disagreeable on my list)
President Carter
President Clinton
President Obama
Justice Elena Kagan
Jon Stewart
David Letterman
Dave Chappelle 
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People who I disagree with who are also smart on Dart:

Best.Korea
HB
RM
DoubleR
Whiteflame
Coal
IlikePie
Thett
Zed
Adol
Wylted
Public-Choice
3Rutal

And Cristo when he disses my boy Chappelle.
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It is not my fault that I am on the more intelligent side of most issues.

I would even go so far as to say as that it it primarily when I nod and agree with someone that I find them smarter, generally. This is perhaps due to narcissistic  delusion but I am quite sure it is because I can tell they thought correctly about what they spoke on or acted on.

So, instead of the thread's question, I will state formidable opponents who are intelligent at twisting truth and representing falsehoods efficiently.

  • Oromagi
  • Ramshutu
  • Whiteflame
  • I just realised no rightwingers are going to be here except Bones, who is atheist and in many ways centrist, and Thett3.
  • Barney
  • Blamonkey
  • AustinL0926
  • (Savant type) Mps1213
Probably some others too. Those are the only members who I see use intelligence frequently to debate and function. It is very plausible that more rightwing individuals withhold intelligence to get on with daily tasks instead.

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It is also possible this is how the members I mentioned climbed the hierarchy here faster than most, they flex their intellect a lot with very little else to their persona and others mentioned recognise it.
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I am not smart. My IQ is literally below average lol
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The problem with IQ tests is that they make person seem smarter than person actually is. For example, being lucky and guessing the right answer has nothing to do with intelligence, but still adds to the score lmao
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Leon Trotsky.

I view intuition, vague understanding,
As part of intelligence.

I 'do think IQ tests are not perfect,
But I 'do think they serve a use.
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view people who disagree with their politics as intellectually inferior. 
No, we view people who say stupid things as intellectually inferior.

People who believe Obama wasn’t born in America.
People who think the 2020 election was stolen
People who think Biden is making the Justice Department investigate and charge Trump 
People who think Biden gets money from the Chinese
People who think most immigrants are rapists and drug dealers
People who think Covid vaccines are dangerous and Covid was a hoax
People who think climate change is a hoax
People who think gay and trans people are pedophiles 

etc etc.

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Ok, so now is your opportunity to state the names of people who disagree with your politics but are also intelligent.
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If there weren't intelligent bad guys the world would be a lot better than it is now.

Intellect is a difficult thing to quantify, thus those who have it don't try to rely on the concept to predict much.

When I see something very stupid being said the simplest explanation is usually not that the person is unintelligent as a matter of biological fact. Wisdom, cunning, knowledge, and inspiration/creativity are all elements of excellent mind and they feed each other. Thinking can easily be sabotaged by prejudices (confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance) and rouge emotions.

It's not simply a matter of intelligence to learn to think abstractly and to be comfortable with analogy for example. I'm sure people 30,000 years ago were sharp as razors in many ways but I bet they did not play with ideas well compared to today.... and on that note I think we're losing it; the intellectuals of the enlightenment would seem frighteningly intelligent compared to the intellectuals of today (on average) IMO.
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Agreed, with the exception of political disagreement = bad guys, but you are overthinking it. This is just about identifying people who disagree politically but also qualify (by whatever measure you wish to employ) as intelligent in your personal estimation.
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You mean like on TV? Asa Hutchison

John Kasich
John McCain
Dick Luger

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I view intuition, vague understanding,
As part of intelligence
I personally dont like when people call me smart. It makes me feel like there is something wrong with me.
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Smart kids were favorite targets of bullies when I was a kid. It was considered that if you are smart, you are also weird and asking to be punched.
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I suppose Dumb and Smart, are not 'Average,
So I suppose something would be 'different about you.

Though many people speak of average as smart,
Smarter than animals anyway,
'Enough intelligence to know better in many situations, questions.
. . .

Wrong is relative I suppose.
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Damn it!  I'm not on anybody's list!
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with the exception of political disagreement = bad guys
Oh, but that's one of the lies we tell to grease the wheels of democracy.

All fundamental (insoluble by honesty) political disagreement arises from moral disagreement. Bad guys are guys who tend to do bad things, but nobody is the villain in their own story.

The notion that political fights are trivial is untrue, and it's been proven again and again. Recently you may have heard in regards to BLM riots or man made climate change "it's not a political issue".

What do they mean by that? They mean it's not trivial. They mean people who disagree are bad guys. They mean they won't accept an overton window where those issues are debatable.

When people "agree to disagree" the ones who lie win.

This viewpoint is not at all the same as the "intrinsic evil" mindset, where you don't debate and you don't show mercy because the other side is just so bad to the bone that there is no redemption or resolution.

TL;DR: Moral disagreements are neither trivial/ignoreable nor are they insoluble due to the evil nature of some people. To have peace they must be resolved and the only genuine resolution is rejection of the incorrect moral claim as identified by logic. i.e. debate is the only true peace maker.


This is just about identifying people who disagree politically but also qualify (by whatever measure you wish to employ) as intelligent in your personal estimation.
Mmm, well let's try all of the intelligence related traits I named:

Jesus and Siddhartha were wise.
Mao Zedong, and Genghis Khan were cunning. (A more recent example would be Bill Clinton, I saw him on your list)
Neil Degrass Tyson and Allen Dershowitz are  knowledgeable.
The number of people who show great creativity but have ridiculous canned political opinions is enormous. John Lennon "Imagine"
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I disagree with politics but Hitler was smart. Only a truly great nation like Russia could take him down. If not for Russia you would be speaking German, and let me tell you they have stupid words. 

Imagine taking 6 words and turning it into 1 word. This is what Germans do. Maybe thank a Russian for doing what other nations could not
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Dick Luger
I too like dick. 
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People who believe Obama wasn’t born in America.
People who think the 2020 election was stolen
People who think Biden is making the Justice Department investigate and charge Trump 
People who think Biden gets money from the Chinese
People who think most immigrants are rapists and drug dealers
People who think Covid vaccines are dangerous and Covid was a hoax
People who think climate change is a hoax
People who think gay and trans people are pedophiles 

etc etc.

This lady's entire political ideology is about strawmanning red team. 

My ideology is based on facts. Facts like capitalist pigs are terrible humans, and women are superior sex. 
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yes.
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Thank you for responding to the following  statement I made in this thread. Your support is appreciated 

I too like dick

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ty as well
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I'm not on anybody's list!
They agree with your political opinions.
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Yeah Savant, get more edgy and you can make my list.
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Myself.
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Joe Haldeman
George Will 
Thomas Sowell
Matthew Continetti
Ross Douthat
Jonah Goldberg
Kristen Soltis Anderson
Harry Jaffa
Yuval Levin
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I think this is a good exercise - it's always healthy to keep in touch with those you disagree with. 

  • William Lane Craig 
  • Nick Fuentes 
  • Cenk Uygur


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Was I meant to name random irl people lol??
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I guess it depends the issue...

I feel there are many intelligent, cunning bastard rich  types who disagree with me on taxation.

Many. Elon Musk? Ok? Do I have to name 100?

I agree with intelligent rightwing conservatives on some things anyway.