Given that some pedophiles are sentenced to 300 years of abuse in prison, death penalty seems like a relief at that point.
Should pedophiles in prison have the right to death penalty?
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@Best.Korea
Yes, a Texas Panhandle man was sentenced to life plus 300 years in federal prison after he pleaded guilty to aggravated sexual assault of a child and 10 counts of producing child pornography, including filming himself sexually assaulting children. I assume he was a Trump voter.
No. Death penalty costs the US taxpayer and average of $1 million per execution. Suicide is free and immediately available to any prisoner who is serious by ending their life.
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@oromagi
Suicide in prison is not simple. Many try, but few succeed. The problem is that in prison you are rarely alone for long enough to commit suicide.
Even in freedom, people often fail to commit suicide, when they have more means available to them than prisoners do.
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@Best.Korea
-->@<<<oromagi>>>Suicide in prison is not simple. Many try, but few succeed. The problem is that in prison you are rarely alone for long enough to commit suicide.Even in freedom, people often fail to commit suicide, when they have more means available to them than prisoners do.
Suicide is the leading cause of death in America prisosn. In 2019 US prisoners committed suicide at well over twice the rate of free Americans. Officials report 80 attempts per successful suicide compared to 25 per suicide outside of prison so it is true that few succeed but at a substantially increased rate of attempt. Personally, I would not invest a lot of money or energy in preventing prison suicide, with some rational, empathetic exceptions. It seems like a fairly appropriate and generally socially positive alternative to the suffering of long incarceration.
Oromagi's real self is showing, mask is slipping.
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@Best.Korea
Why specify 'pedophiles in prison?
Why not just people with life sentence in prison?
I prefer people have a choice to live or die,
I think.
Though I think I'd also rather prison for lifers be more about separating them from regular society,
Or 'safeguarding society from them,
Than about 'punishing them.
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@Lemming
Prison becomes a way of life.
Adapting to a new environment.
Becomes a place of safety for some
Who reoffend just to get back there.
What's the difference.
Sentenced to a life in prison
Sentenced to a life.
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@zedvictor4
Some prisons are more comfortable than others,
Certainly if I had a choice of two prisons,
One full of other violent people,
And a small isolative wood,
I'd choose the wood.
Though it'd be nice if there was still 'some way to talk with people,
Internet or something.
Sure people say don't coddle the prisoners,
Don't give them luxury.
. .
But to my view, I'd prefer it to be more about safeguarding society, than revenge, than 'harming the prisoner.
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@oromagi
@Best.Korea
[oromagi] No. Death penalty costs the US taxpayer and average of $1 million per execution
It costs $3.50 (the cost of a single 50 caliber bullet). What costs $1 million is lawyers finding excuses to exist, which is not to say I'm a fan of the death penalty; but the idea that we can't kill people because it's too expensive should cause a slowly building derisive laugh in anyone.
[Best.Korea] Even in freedom, people often fail to commit suicide, when they have more means available to them than prisoners do.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Anyone who fails to kill themselves didn't want to die.
There are so many guaranteed ways. The 'problem' is people make excuses to live so they rule surefire ways out and hesitate on the way they choose, quite understandable really.
[RationalMadman] Oromagi's real self is showing, mask is slipping.
Oh no, you've seen though his evil charade. He suggests giving the worst of society a tiny sliver of self-determination. What a villain....
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@Lemming
The justice system has always been torn between several goals. They are in the order of apparent priority:
1.) Deter others from committing the same crime
2.) Satisfy the emotional need for justice (this is essentially revenge)
3.) Keep the criminal him or herself from committing further crimes (at least for a time)
4.) Rehabilitate the criminal
5.) Don't create a safe space at public expense where the poor might be tempted to go for some food and shelter
(1) and (2) are cohesive with each other, but not necessarily with (4).
This is a somewhat off-topic comment, but it relates to the theme:
If there is one place I support the death penalty it's when somebody in prison for a life sentence commits a crime that deserves a life sentence inside the prison (and this is proven beyond all doubt as should be easy with cameras).
People making light of prison rape is a grade A trigger to me. The fucking savages who cheer that have no room to complain about the worst of the coliseum. If you are in jail and you kill or rape someone, enough; just die already. I don't care what anyone thinks their victim deserved.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Would you agree that people should be able to choose death penalty?
For example, just bullet in the head for those who wish to die.
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@Lemming
Why specify 'pedophiles in prison?
Well, prison is different for pedophiles. For example, a murderer usually gets respect. Pedophile usually gets abused to the point where life is simply not worth living anymore.
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@oromagi
1 million? Do you have the stats on that? This is something I've genuinely never heard and the number seems a bit suspect - surely locking them in a pen for a couple months and firing a bullet in them couldn't cost more than a couple hundred dollars.
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@Best.Korea
It's not a fundamentally different question from suicide in general.Would you agree that people should be able to choose death penalty?For example, just bullet in the head for those who wish to die.
I general people have a right to dispose of their own body just as any other property. In practice preventing suicides is often the right thing to do since suicide attempts are often "calls for help" or due to temporary or curable mental disturbance.
Convicted criminals have forfeited some rights, and suppose they hard labor? That is not the normal state of affairs though. Also it's not really the death penalty if you choose it, it's still just suicide.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The difference is, bullet in the head is different from other ways, such as hanging or stabbing yourself in the neck.
Bullet just makes it much easier to die, especially if high caliber.
Some people hang themselves and end up surviving even after 20 minutes of hanging.
Same goes for stabbing.
Bullet, on the other hand, gets the job done in 1 second in 99.99% of cases.
Life in prison is no joke. Try sitting in an empty room without anything for a few days. Now imagine same, but for the rest of your life.
Then imagine on top of that, being beaten and abused daily for the rest of your life.
At that point, society should at least give a person the chance to die easily and quickly.
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@oromagi
Death penalty costs the US taxpayer and average of $1 million per execution.
Which boils down to less than $2 per taxpayer. That’s less than a cup of Joe at Starbucks, or even McDonald’s. That’s pretty cheap and doubtful anyone would blink spending that to get rid of human 💩!
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@TWS1405_2
I ain't paying $2 to kill somebody when it should be $2/1,000,000
Maybe we can set them up in some sort of gladiator thing and have them fight to the death. Then the public could be charged money to watch their criminals be killed/executed. Justice served and the government didn't have to pay for it. There could be advertisements and sponsors.
The winner of all the matches would then be convinced that he gets a free ticket to freedom and then sent through some doors only to be shot in the head! No prison over crowding, no multi-decade waits for the death penalty. Sure, we'll probably get a few falsely accused, but hey, no society is perfect.
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@DavidAZ
criminals be killed/executed. Justice served
No. This wasnt about justice served. This was simply about helping prisoners who want to die.
Justice can never be served in society built on injustice.
Since all people are unjust, its not possible to have justice, ever.
Really, justice is just a wet dream sponsored by cartoons.
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@Best.Korea
No. This wasnt about justice served. This was simply about helping prisoners who want to die.
Okay, fine. Wanted death served with just a sprinkle of justice.
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@Bones
-->@<<<oromagi>>>1 million? Do you have the stats on that? This is something I've genuinely never heard and the number seems a bit suspect - surely locking them in a pen for a couple months and firing a bullet in them couldn't cost more than a couple hundred dollars.
- It's a pretty generic number that gets tossed around during a lot of capital punishment debates. Actual costs vary quite a bit but I think it is roughly accurate.
- The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000
- The Federal Bureau of Prisons spent nearly $4.7 million dollars on the first five executions carried out by the Trump administration in July and August 2020, according to redacted government financial records recently obtained by the ACLU.
- Examples of these extravagant death row expenditures are not hard to come by. For instance, in the State of North Carolina inmates on death row have cost the state over one billion dollars more than inmates not on death row since 1976. In Texas, one death penalty case costs the state about 2.3 million dollars. This is three times higher than what it would cost to imprison one inmate in the highest security prison cell available for 40 years.
All in all, states spend millions if not billions of dollars and huge chunks of their budgets on executing death row inmates. - According to the assessment, the death penalty cost California $1.94 billion in additional pre-trial and trial costs from 1978-2011. The post-trial costs were almost as high- $925 million for automatic appeals and state habeas corpus petitions, and $775 million for federal habeas corpus appeals. Incarceration of death row inmates was also a significant factor, the “adjustment center” of California’s death row at San Quentin State Penitentiary cost an additional $1 billion. The authors calculated that, if the Governor commuted the sentences of those remaining on death row to life without parole, it would result in an immediate savings of $170 million per year, with a savings of $5 billion over the next 20 years.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
He said let prisoners kill themselves and consider it a relief.
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@oromagi
So, what you're saying is that the US spends a fortune in lawyers.
Why doesn't the US put these inmates to work so they pay their own stay in prison?
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@Best.Korea
It's curious to see you encourage suicide when you're supposedly a Christian. 🤔
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@IlDiavolo
@DavidAZ
[DavidAZ] The winner of all the matches would then be convinced that he gets a free ticket to freedom and then sent through some doors only to be shot in the head! No prison over crowding, no multi-decade waits for the death penalty. Sure, we'll probably get a few falsely accused, but hey, no society is perfect.
I'd put that question on a public referendum, lie about it being anonymous, and deport everyone who votes for it to a giant prison colony.
[RationalMadman] He said let prisoners kill themselves and consider it a relief.
That's paraphrasing... so what? Is that in contradiction with previous expressed principles of his?
[IlDiavolo] Why doesn't the US put these inmates to work so they pay their own stay in prison?
People are afraid to give the government a motivation to keep people in prison. If it makes money they might lose sight of rehabilitation as a goal.
I say the tradition of avoiding conflicts of interest is stupid. Adversarial dynamics with rules that favor equal treatment and truth are far superior. In other words, if prison "owners" are involved in the decision to shorten or extend sentences it's already broken.
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@zedvictor4
You might be talking about european prisons, I've seen some documentaries about them and they look better than american motels. It's not the reality of other countries, though.
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@IlDiavolo
It's curious to see you encourage suicide when you're supposedly a Christian.
Plenty of people in the Bible committed suicide when life became unbearable. Besides, torturing people so much is pointless.
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@Best.Korea
Plenty of people in the Bible committed suicide when life became unbearable.
Like who? Judas?
I remind you that most Christians, if not every Christian, don't like the idea of the euthanasia and the suicide.