Are vaccines going to harm us at some point?

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The problem with vaccines is that they could do irreversible damage to us, but we wont know it until its too late.

Some vaccines dont contain an actual virus, but genetically modified virus.

We dont know what such genetically modified virus does to the body and brain, because we are being infected with a different virus than the one that vaccine is trying to protect us from.

What this genetically modified virus does to the brain is unknown.

Does it make us smarter? Or maybe more obedient?
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The problem with vaccines is that they could do irreversible damage to us, but we wont know it until its too late.
  • This is true.  It comes down to a cost benefit analysis.
    • For example, the smallpox vaccinne kills 1 in 1,000,000 vaccinated.
    • By comparison, smallpox infections killed 1 in 3.
  • There is no such thing as a medicine without risk.
Some vaccines dont contain an actual virus, but genetically modified virus.
  • Most vaccines don't contain actual virus but inactivated, partial, or recombinant elements of virus.  Almost all vaccines represent some kind of genetic manipulation just as all human civilization is built upon our capacity to manipulate genes.
We dont know what such genetically modified virus does to the body and brain,
  • Here in America, vaccines are rigorously tested and the government demands that doctors have a very good understanding of what any treatment does to the body and brain before approval.  This is never 100% but America's capacity for producing safe and effective vaccines is unparalelled.
because we are being infected with a different virus than the one that vaccine is trying to protect us from.
  • All modern vaccines are different from the virus they improve immunity to, by definition.
What this genetically modified virus does to the brain is unknown.  Does it make us smarter? Or maybe more obedient?
  • Virology is not black magic.  Corn is genetically modified grass.  Dogs are genetically modifed.  We find out what any medicine does to the brain or any part of the body by extensive, public testing.  Fear of medicine on the basis that it might make you more obedient suggests an irrational paranoia regarding science and medicine.  If you are believing YouTube personalities with no checks and balances over scientists, doctors, and govt. officials who submit their work to literally hundreds of checks and balances, then I would suggest you are already plenty obedient.


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The point is that government can use vaccines to control us and harm us.

The point is not that government is doing so.

The point is that government can do it, which is kinda scary.

Checks and balances cannot help if only few people know about the result of a certain modification.


Here in America, vaccines are rigorously tested and the government demands that doctors have a very good understanding of what any treatment does to the body and brain before approval.  This is never 100%.
Its hard to test vaccines for everything. Impossible, actually.

You may, at best, know what vaccine does in obvious quick results regarding general health.

However, what vaccine does in 10 years, or what it does to your offspring, or what effects it has on mood, brain, thoughts, is something you can never know because there is no way to track such results.

So yes, the fact is that government can use vaccines to control our thoughts.

The government probably doesnt do that, but the fact that government can do it if it wants is scary.
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The point is that government can use vaccines to control us and harm us.
  • There's no such thing as a mind control vaccine.  Document the existence of such a thing or adhere more closely to reality.
  • Governments who wish to harm their populations have far more efficient weapons than vaccines.
The point is that government can do it, which is kinda scary.
  • Here in Amercia, we keep our government in check by regular, free, and fair elections between rival parties.  You are a very vocal supporter of murderous dictatorships so your concern is natural but also more of a concern than people who live under rational government.
Checks and balances cannot help if only few people know about the result of a certain modification.
  • In America, anybody who wants to know about any modification to any publicly approve  vaccinne can review white papers, peer reviewed publications, FDA investigations and approvals.
Its hard to test vaccines for everything. Impossible, actually.
  • Well, we're not testing for everything- just negative impacts on health.
You may, at best, know what vaccine does in obvious quick results regarding general health.
  • Most FDA approvals take 10-15 years precisely becuase scientists are studying long-term effects.
However, what vaccine does in 10 years, or what it does to your offspring, or what effects it has on mood, brain, thoughts, is something you can never know because there is no way to track such results.
  • I don't think it is impossible for some unforseen side effect to appear years down the road but its very rare.  Thalidomide appeared to be safe and effective when Germany first approved it in 1958 but by 1961, the evidence for birth defects, cancer caused it to be ganer
So yes, the fact is that government can use vaccines to control our thoughts
  • That is not a fact.  No such capacity has ever been established.
The government probably doesnt do that, but the fact that government can do it if it wants is scary.
  • Not a fact.  The possible defense against an unjust govt.  is a free and fair democracy.


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  • That is not a fact.  No such capacity has ever been established.
  • In America, anybody who wants to know about any modification to any publicly approve  vaccinne can review white papers, peer reviewed publications, FDA investigations and approvals.
If government had such capacity, they wouldnt let you know that they had it, obviously.
You cannot know what modification results in what until you test it. You cannot know completely even when you test it, because you cannot know which thoughts were caused by vaccine after 15 years. Its impossible to prove that vaccine wont have an effect on thoughts, because government can use delayed effect to fool tests.


  • Most FDA approvals take 10-15 years precisely becuase scientists are studying long-term effects.
You cant study all effects, such as thoughts caused by vaccine after 15-50 years from vaccination.
If anti-depression pills can cause suicidal thoughts and they admit so, then to believe that vaccines cant is naive.

So yes, the government can use vaccines to control our thoughts.
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Also, dont forget that covid vaccines werent tested for 15 years. 

Government can use emergency as an excuse to avoid testing for long term effects.
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  • That is not a fact.  No such capacity has ever been established.
  • In America, anybody who wants to know about any modification to any publicly approve  vaccinne can review white papers, peer reviewed publications, FDA investigations and approvals.
If government had such capacity, they wouldnt let you know that they had it, obviously.
  • Classic conspiratorial thinking.  Think of the thousands of medical professionals that would have to be violating their personal ethics and oaths for what?  for a secret govt. weapon?  Such a mentally ill scenario strains the limit of rational speculation.
You cannot know what modification results in what until you test it. You cannot know completely even when you test it, because you cannot know which thoughts were caused by vaccine after 15 years.
  • Secret, unwanted thoughts that lie hidden in a vaccine for 15 years and then emerge?  I don't think such a wild scenario would pass even in fantasy fiction.
Its impossible to prove that vaccine wont have an effect on thoughts, because government can use delayed effect to fool tests.
  • It is also impossible to prove that Donald Trump did not invisibly sneak into your bedroom last night and laid secret nano-eggs in your nose designed by the Russians to remain undetectable for fifteen years.  At some point, we have to stop worry about the least likely scenarios and focus on liklihoods.
  • Most FDA approvals take 10-15 years precisely becuase scientists are studying long-term effects.
You cant study all effects, such as thoughts caused by vaccine after 15-50 years from vaccination.
  • If this was a reasonable concern, you should be able to name at least five vaccines that had significantly harmful side effects that did not show up in the first fifteen years of testing.  I don't think you can name any.
If anti-depression pills can cause suicidal thoughts and they admit so, then to believe that vaccines cant is naive.
  • You are intelligent enough to understand that the pills aren't actually causing thoughts, right?  It's just that some depressives are so demotivated that they can't plan and execute even a simple suicide.  As serotonin increases, those depressive are better able to plan and execute plans and unfortunately many depressives are already in a place where suicide seems like a worthy plan.
So yes, the government can use vaccines to control our thoughts.
  • I strongly recommend that you discuss these thoughts with a medical professional.
  • MInd control, as Donald Trump has ably proved, is very easy and doesn't require any chemical intervention.  Just have a digital data company collect a list of the most gullible 20% of the population- some religious folk but mostly people who believe in wild conspiracy theories, bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, etc and then validate all of  those fantastic concerns and add your own list of conspiracies in exchange.  Every study shows those people will believe your conspiracy theories (2020 Election Fraud, FBI persecution, Biden's laptop, QAnon, etc) in exchange.  A very considerable chunk of Republican support comes from exactly this kind of mind control.  Notice how the most vociferous Republicans on this site are virtually incapable of formulating their own theses.  They rely heavily on a very small set of information providers and mistake repeating that informatioin over and over again for argument.   The repetitition, the getting everybody to worry about the same issue at the same time, the consistent re-use of the same successful allegories and arguments- that is classic mind control.  If you are worried about mind control, you might start by wondering WHY you feel compelled to promoted the policies of Kim Jong Un and Conservative Christian politics both while ignoring the fact that the two ideologies are 100% contradictory.
  • I strongly believe that your mind is already well controlled and it had nothing to do with vaccines.



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Also, dont forget that covid vaccines werent tested for 15 years.   Government can use emergency as an excuse to avoid testing for long term effects.
  • True, but COVID vaccine testing will also follow the usual treatment and be tested for at least 15 years, every version.  Let's note that the emergency was real and the expedition incredibly effective.  Millions of lives were saved.

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Okay, now you are trying to change the topic after your arguments were refuted. I dont play that game, sorry. I merely stated that government  can do it, not that they are doing it.


You are intelligent enough to understand that the pills aren't actually causing thoughts, right?  It's just that some depressives are so demotivated that they can't plan and execute even a simple suicide.  As serotonin increases, those depressive are better able to plan and execute plans and unfortunately many depressives are already in a place where suicide seems like a worthy plan.
Thanks for admitting that pills can cause a person to be motivated and commit suicide.

Therefore, if pills can cause a person to be motivated and to plan, then the opposite effect is also possible.

Of course, what you ignore is that pills indeed can cause suicidal thoughts. Those are one of the confirmed side effects that even doctors admit.

But we are talking about side effects of pills, not intentional effects. If effect was done intentionally, it would be even stronger.
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Think of the thousands of medical professionals that would have to be violating their personal ethics and oaths for what?
Again, you are assuming that they would know the outcome of an untested vaccine. They wouldnt know. Government can conduct secret tests, where only few people are familiar with a desired outcome, and then release the vaccine during the next emergency so that it never gets to be tested by all those doctors.
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Okay, now you are trying to change the topic after your arguments were refuted. I dont play that game, sorry. I merely stated that government  can do it, not that they are doing it.
  • The relevant point is that mind control is easy and prevalent and doesn't require the elaborate fictions of a 15 year time release vaccine.  YouTube and TikTok control minds very effectively, scientists have warned of this mind control quite regularly and people happily submit their reasoning to the control of others.

Therefore, if pills can cause a person to be motivated and to plan, then the opposite effect is also possible.
  • Alchohol is famous for producing this effect.
Of course, what you ignore is that pills indeed can cause suicidal thoughts.
  • False.  I am explaining that while emotional states can prelude cognition, the two states are not the same thing.  If the pill caused the thought, the effect would be consistent when in fact the effect is rare.  The pill effects the seratonin level which every once allows certain thoughts to surface.  It is not a direct effect.
But we are talking about side effects of pills, not intentional effects. If effect was done intentionally, it would be even stronger.

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Think of the thousands of medical professionals that would have to be violating their personal ethics and oaths for what?
Again, you are assuming that they would know the outcome of an untested vaccine. They wouldnt know. Government can conduct secret tests, where only few people are familiar with a desired outcome, and then release the vaccine during the next emergency so that it never gets to be tested by all those doctors.

You fail to comprehend.  The thousands of medical professionals I am talking about ARE the government conducting the secret tests.  There is no possibility that the govt approves any vaccine even in emergency without the involvement of thousands.  In the case of COVID, the USFG engaged the participation of hundreds of thousands of scientists and millions of test subjects.


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The MNRA Covid 19 vaccines do not use a genetically modified virus. The mRNA vaccine gives your cells instructions for how to make the S protein found on the surface of the virus, which causes your body to create antibodies that will fight the virus if you later become infected with it. Both Pfizer and Moderna use this type of vaccine. There is no risk of an mRNA vaccine changing your DNA because mRNA does not have the ability to alter DNA. Your cells constantly make their own mRNA. The synthetic mRNA in the vaccine acts like any other mRNA that your cells make.
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The thousands of medical professionals I am talking about ARE the government conducting the secret tests.
Again, you are ruling out the possibility of a small group of them doing secret testing without the knowledge of others. Therefore, one small group would have knowledge that others wouldnt have and that others couldnt obtain in time during emergency.
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The thousands of medical professionals I am talking about ARE the government conducting the secret tests.
Again, you are ruling out the possibility of a small group of them doing secret testing without the knowledge of others. Therefore, one small group would have knowledge that others wouldnt have and that others couldnt obtain in time during emergency.
  • Right-  something incredibly narrow and secret.  A secret people could be summarily shot for revealing.  Something like the Manhattan Project- which only involved 130,000 people, with a few  more tens of thousands of people who guessed the scale or the nature of the secret.  The Vice President had no inkling but both Axis powers had a pretty good intelligence on the project's scope and progress.

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which only involved 130,000 people
The less people who know, the easier it is to hide.

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The less people who know, the easier it is to hide.

  • Well you're not going to do less than the Manhattan project.  I mean, if  you plan to vaccinate the whole American population you probably need 300000+

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If the vaccine is produced by 20 people who know its real effect, if they present it as cure during an emergency, others would just accept it and mass produce it and vaccinate people. The people producing the vaccine dont have to be the ones doing the vaccination, and the ones doing the vaccination dont have to know vaccine's long term effect. It would be an emergency, after all.

But yes, I agree that there are much better ways of controlling the population, so the vaccines are safe.