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Just wondering what people think here, seems a conversation that's never had. oro touched on it here some little bit: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9357-stay-away-from-black-people-scott-adams?page=1&post_number=3

It seems to me that this site is going the way of Stormfront or 4chan or whatever dumb as shit site and is gathering a userbase of fairly unpalatable people intent on racism and transphobia and whatever other weird uninteresting shit. That is regrettable. DDO was a vibrant place, fairly devoid of this stuff, and so kept lots of interesting people. Isn't that something we're interested in here? There are certain users here that bring down the mood, or flavour or outlook as oro writes, of the website and that's bad for us for what this website could be. There was a point in time on DDO where there was new and interesting and not at all antagonistic users arriving every single day. And some of them have crossed over to here. But would any of us have stayed or got caught if the mood of DDO then was what DART is today?

I'm glad to see oro become a mod. But I want a wartime mod. I have no interest in playing house with a bunch of degenerates. 
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What about freedom of speech?
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This isn't a country, it's a product. 
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I understand that,
But as I might prefer a country with a freedom of speech,
I might prefer a product with freedom of speech.
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There's a line to be walked there. As is, what's very loud on this website are bigoted attitudes. Freedom of speech isn't worth much when you're shouting yourself hoarse. 
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Where would you like to draw the line?
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Between the rest of the site and 4 or 5 users in particular already mentioned in another thread. 
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I mean draw your own lines, feel free. But there's an idea in it. This website is a product and a mood and a flavour made up of its userbase. 
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Just wondering what people think here, seems a conversation that's never had. oro touched on it here some little bit: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9357-stay-away-from-black-people-scott-adams?page=1&post_number=3

It seems to me that this site is going the way of Stormfront or 4chan or whatever dumb as shit site and is gathering a userbase of fairly unpalatable people intent on racism and transphobia and whatever other weird uninteresting shit. That is regrettable. DDO was a vibrant place, fairly devoid of this stuff, and so kept lots of interesting people. Isn't that something we're interested in here? There are certain users here that bring down the mood, or flavour or outlook as oro writes, of the website and that's bad for us for what this website could be. There was a point in time on DDO where there was new and interesting and not at all antagonistic users arriving every single day. And some of them have crossed over to here. But would any of us have stayed or got caught if the mood of DDO then was what DART is today?

I'm glad to see oro become a mod. But I want a wartime mod. I have no interest in playing house with a bunch of degenerates. 
Why does every Progressive, in the name of tolerance, have a violent penchant to stamp out any speech they don't personally agree with?

It's always the same stance with the same threats of violence and/or deplatforming.

It's always the same 'muh racism', or 'muh homophobia' or 'muh transphobia'.

These things are literally NPCs. They are indistinguishable from each other and completely predictable.

A plague of violent intolerance.
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What about freedom of speech?
This thug doesn't tolerate freedom of speech (look at his post #3): Ireland is an international disgrace (debateart.com)

You either agree with him or get smashed in the head.
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That is a bit vague for me,
. . .

Well, you mention the Scott Adams topic,
As well as racism and transphobia.

Why do you draw the line there?

Should people not have freedom of association and disassociation?
Be able to advocate for their tribe?
For their moral and ethical values?
. . .

Myself I value freedom a fair bit,

Yet am willing to limit it from violence,

“The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins.”
― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

So long as they are not advocating 'violence,
What is the issue?
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Ah, I did see that post,
But forgot about it,
As the thread looked to be going in more in a disagreement between people, than explanations by people of their views,
I passed it up a bit,
Though perhaps now I'll reread it.
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Like oro, I think there are measured conversations to be had on all of these things. You're missing the point. 
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Ah, I did see that post,
But forgot about it,
As the thread looked to be going in more in a disagreement between people, than explanations by people of their views,
I passed it up a bit,
Though perhaps now I'll reread it.
You don't have to read the whole thread to see Badger's words: "We here in Ireland have a culture of knocking obnoxious fucks in the head."

Anyone he disagrees with he labels an obnoxious. Anyone he labels obnoxious he gives the green light to violence on.

FYI Badger has had multiple run ins with the law (for violence, believe it or not).

Fantastically intolerant.
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Adopted. 
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Hang on, gonna phone my mom and tell her I love her. 
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Hang on, gonna phone my mom and tell her I love her. 
She won't reciprocate.

No one wants a violent criminal as a child.
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My mom actually loves that I was a bit wild. I often get a sideways grin as she tells people she "had one very bold child". 

Surely some of the fun of being a mother is having bold sons. 

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My old man had less fun with it but over the years he found a begrudging respect. 
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@badger
I think your point is that,
You value positive interactions on this site and views that 'you like,
Above freedom.

But I might be mistaken about that,
So, worth me asking some questions.

Assuming that my view of your point is true though,
It doesn't mean that 'I value positive interactions on this site and views that 'I like,
Above freedom.
. .
Or rather, that I see 'freedom, 'as a positive interaction, a value that I like.
. . .

I 'like, being able to consider other peoples views,
Like being able to amend my own, rather than 'assume I am correct.

I like being able to 'speak my views,
Like being able to advocate for what I consider right.


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Ok bored now. I have no convictions. We're the fighting Irish. Nobody's life gets ruined in our revelry. I have made some hefty contributions to the court poor box, that's all.

You are adopted right?
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You are adopted right?
Why are you so interested in whether I'm adopted?

Do you like to beat people down who were adopted?

You like abusing people who had misfortune out of their control?

What is it?
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@Kaitlyn
Wouldn't it be better to have a polite conversation with badger,
Than one of insults?

I understand some people and times,
One can't expect any reconciliation,
Or,
One doesn't want to back down first.

But one 'can have reconciliation with some people, some times.
I don't think it's bad to make a friendly effort towards others.

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Wouldn't it be better to have a polite conversation with badger,
Than one of insults?
It would be better but you're not seeing the decade of history we have.

This is not the first time he's gotten very personal with me.

Keep in mind that he started this all again with a calling for my banning. And now he's attacking me for being adopted.

Am I supposed to just turn the other cheek?
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Why are you so interested in whether I'm adopted?

Just think you should have the good manners to go see a therapist rather than dragging your demented ass all across this website. 
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Why are you so interested in whether I'm adopted?
Just think you should have the good manners to go see a therapist rather than dragging your demented ass all across this website. 
Number of times I've been to court: 0.

Number of times you've been to court: plenty.

Who is the better adjusted person here again?

Violent drunkard.

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It's definitely me lol.
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I'm actually having sex with a psychologist. That's surely the epitome of mental health. 
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@Kaitlyn
Fair point,
I don't have your point of view,
Am not able to consider everything you can.

I wouldn't say 'supposed to turn the other cheek,
But it 'is an option,
Something one 'could try,
But one can also go the option of giving equal what one get's,
Eye for an eye,
All just a matter of preference, perhaps, what one wants.

But as you said earlier,
Decades of history,
I don't know if you two have tried to get along before,
Or tried many times,
And it just doesn't work, so one or both quit trying,
Understandable.
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Though I don't know if it couldn't succeed one day.
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I don't know if you two have tried to get along before,
Or tried many times,
And it just doesn't work, so one or both quit trying,
We got along like 8 years ago, and then he started to make nasty comments about my body.

I was ignoring him on here, up until he said I needed to be banned. Then he thought it was funny to call me adopted, amongst other things.

I had nothing to do with him for months until he spoke out recently against me.