The transgenderism debate

If you watch enough MSNBC, such thoughts come with little effort.

You should watch it. It's a nonstop troll network.

You still ignore my arguments and my questions. 

• All of your bullshit is premised on the false notion that there is an ideology out there.  Since you now know for a fact that there is no such ideology, you now also know there's no point to makup up fake arguments against it.
  

Can someone who is not born with gender dysphoria, become transgender?

• WIKIPEDIA: Transgender is an umbrella term. In addition to trans men and trans women, it may also include people who are non-binary.  Other definitions of transgender also include people who belong to a third gender, or else conceptualize transgender people as a third gender, and the term may be defined very broadly to include cross-dressers.  Some two-spirit people may also identify as transgender.  
  
• Gender dysphoria is the distress a person experiences due to a mismatch between their gender identity—their personal sense of their own gender—and their sex assigned at birth,
  
• So- many people are born transgendered but nobody is born with dysphoria.
  
• Many trans people don't decide they are trans until later in life.
  
• Some trans people don't experience GD until later in life.
  
• Some trans people don't experience GD at 
  

There's no way anyone serious writes this, "What a moron. You probably feel the same way about gay people. You know what is actually a product of mental illness, white supremacy," without trolling.

Which study?

Incorrect.

You were the one who failed to respond to my defense of the source The transgenderism debate (debateart.com) (people can see that you never responded after that). 

Dude, if you can't address the arguments I'm making, instead of saying 'too many source', just concede so we can be done with this.

The studies don't explicitly say what should be done. They are there to construct the necessary premises and arguments needed to reach my conclusion. None of them by themselves reach the conclusion that transgenderism is a mental illness.

Much as we treat schizophrenics with dignity and respect, we should treat transgender people the same way, despite both of them having mental illnesses.

you've claimed that they're the most socially ostracized group. That was unsupported by any data.

I care because it enables their delusion, of which is a product of mental illness. Yeah, it's scientifically backed. It's remarkable when the science agrees with your worldview.

Ok, so according to you,

Trans-people don't have to be born with Gender Dysphoria in order to be Transgender. Therefore Transgenderism is an ideology, and not something mentally based in any biological way or medical way. It is an idea, and not something someone is born with, and someone can be Transgender at any time anywhere for any reason.

That my friend is called an ideology. 

I see.  So you thnk that any IDEA is also an IDEOLOGY.  The mere notion that "I think I might be man trapped ina woman's body" counts as a "Doctrine, philosophy, body of beliefs or principles belonging to an individual or group."   Since I wasn't born a debater but only took up debating in the last years, you feel like you can impose an ideology of debaterism on me, ever though you are totally incapable of naming once principle debater hold in common.

Debaters don't have to be with Debatersim in order to be Debaters.  Therefore, Debaterism is an ideology and not something mentally based in any biological or medical way.  It is an idea and not something someone is born with and some one can be a Debater at any time anywhere for any reason.

If your logic is sound, than you should be able to give me three prominent examples of Debaters and explain three prinicples that alll Debaterists hold in common.

If you can't do this, your argument must fail since not all ideas are ideology.

That my friend is called an ideology. 

• You, my friend, need a dictionary.
  

Transgenderism …, it's an identity, right?

Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Gender identity refers to a person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else; gender expression refers to the way a person communicates gender identity to others through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, voice or body characteristics.

Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.

So, it is an identity?

Like how you identify yourself as? 

I think Grey Parrot has a thing for you. He’s always coming to your defense. He’s a creepy substitute teacher who has never kissed a girl and lives with his mother. He tries to hang out with teenagers by buying them alcohol.

Stupid ideas include white nationalism and calling transgender people mentally ill 

Do you think gay people are also mentally ill?

I care because it enables their delusion, of which is a product of mental illness. Yeah, it's scientifically backed. It's remarkable when the science agrees with your worldview.

Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life.

Debating is a socially constructed activity. Transgenderism is not an activity, it's an identity, right?

• That's right.  And any socially constructed activity is far more likely to be ideological thanjust  being honest about who your are, right?
  

Yes, but it seems you are conflating identity and ideology. Are you? 

It would be incorrect to say ones identity is their ideology 

I'm not a teenager, btw.

More unverified rubbish.

I'm not as well versed on homosexuality. I think transgender people are basically homosexuals with a mental illness, but I'm not sure whether homosexuality is a mental illness in itself.

Transgender surgeries do not remove the increased suicide chance

• That's right.  And any socially constructed activity is far more likely to be ideological thanjust  being honest about who your are, right?
  

To prove your logic is sound, you must provide three examples of the well know ideology called Debaterism.  SInce we both know you can't you should admit that your reasoning is faulty.

Yes, there are ideas involved but no idelogy.

So, the idea that someone can identify as the opposite gender is an ideology. 

I'm not a teenager, btw.

Oh, so you are rapidly approaching your expiration date.

More unverified rubbish.

That the language you speak

I'm not as well versed on homosexuality. I think transgender people are basically homosexuals with a mental illness, but I'm not sure whether homosexuality is a mental illness in itself.

You are not well versed in either subject toots. 

Did you read the study you cited? The abstract contradicts what you think the study say. 

Overall, utilization of transition-related medical care was associated with significantly lower estimated odds of suicidal ideation, binge drinking, and non-injection drug use. Findings suggest that utilization of transition-related medical care may reduce risk for mental health problems, especially suicidal ideation, and substance use among transwomen.

What exactly are you talking about? I have an idea, but I'd like to know exactly.

You didn't make any sense here.

Risks are lowered but not eliminated -- that's my point.

indicates that there is something else wrong with them.

Are you going to address the rest of my argument, or will you simply concede it?

What exactly are you talking about? I have an idea, but I'd like to know exactly.

We had this conversation a few days ago. I speculated you have no children because, I mean, what guy would want to start a family with a moron. You replied you have plenty of time. I responded, you don’t have as much time as you think, because women have a small window of being desirable as a mate. Get it?

Risks are lowered but not eliminated -- that's my point.

Well even if that simply isn’t just you backpedaling after citing a source that doesn’t support your ideas, it’s still stupid. 

Should cancer patients not use chemotherapy because it’s not guaranteed to eliminate the risk of cancer? You are a dummy Kaitlyn

Are you going to address the rest of my argument, or will you simply concede it?

Your assertions about the brains of transgender people?

“Falling within the aegis of the neurohormonal theory of sex differences, we hypoth- esize that cortical differences between homosexual MtFs and FtMs and male and female controls are due to differently timed cortical thinning in different regions for each group. Cross-sex hormone studies have reported marked effects of the treatment on MtF and FtM brains. Their results are used to discuss the early postmortem histological studies of the MtF brain”

First tell mean what this paragraph above means in your own words

MSNBC Fanchick has no idea about anything women want or experience with all that nonsense talk.

Pretty sure there is a huge area between teenager and "past the prime"

(except for pedophiliacs, jus sayin)

Transgender notions involving being in the wrong biological body are not.