The transgenderism debate

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I would usually make a debate in order to win an argument, but I like to go into deep conversation about these topics instead.

So, I would like to challenge anyone or multiple people to argue in defense of this ideology. 
Explain to my how it works, and why it would benefit society. I will ask questions and I expect them to be answered with clear and consistent answers that don't contradict each other. 

Now if you are the type of person that tells me in order to argue I need to argue from the other perspective of Transgenderism then you can leave, because the perspective of transgenderism goes against science and biology, and I will stick to the side of biology. 

There needs to be a starting ground for arguments that we can agree on so if you wish to argue, base it in truth or at least try to base it in truth. 
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Why do you think it’s bad?

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Well there are many reasons I find it concerning. 
The idea of transgenderism is that a man can become a woman, and vice versa. This idea in of by itself breaks down social norms. Now I don't know about you l, but I like society the way it is. We have been thriving with our social norms for a while now and it has been good. If someone is to suddenly present something like transgenderism which would break social norms, then I want at least an explanation as to why it will benefit society better and why we need it. If no explanation is provided then I am going to assume using human nature as evidence that it is simply for self pleasure and desires, which is not always good and I am obviously going to question that. 
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Just another ideology centred around  the innate necessity of sexual reproduction.

Just more over thinking about penises and vaginas and the endocrinal itch.

It's always been a human mental fascination, for obvious reasons.

And of course, there will be money to be made.
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Just another ideology centred around  the innate necessity of sexual reproduction.
Big part of it sure, but I don't think that is how this ideology is effecting out society. Sexual reproduction is being torn apart by things like hookup culture, pornography etc. Maybe it is doing it a little bit, but not a whole lot. 

Just more over thinking about penises and vaginas and the endocrinal itch.
Well if someone is going to try and  change society, I ought to know the reasoning and logic behind it. Don't I deserve at least that?

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Someone

Someone who?

Societal change is gradual.

And the bit that affects us the most is this bit.

And affect in this context, means that which challenges ideas that were established previously.

And ideas that became established, were instilled by others who were affected by even earlier stages of social development.

So we are sort of always playing data catch up. And therefore we are always somewhat out of date in terms of our established data bases relative to current trends.

You either run with the new, or stress over what inevitably happened but does not correspond with your established way of thinking.

Better to live your short life as you so choose and let others do the same.

And in a few years time everything will be the same, but always slightly different.

Though penis, vagina and endocrinal hang ups will probably still be topical, just as they always have been.


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I would usually make a debate in order to win an argument, but I like to go into deep conversation about these topics instead.
Why?

The world is a freak show, there's everything imaginable out there, from people screwing dinkeys to sociopathic cannibals and everything in between, why is transgenderism such an obsession for you, how does transgenderism affect you?

In a gun thread you said "Find me one civilization where lives haven't been ruined and people haven't died.", so 37,000 gun deaths a year are OK because, lives are ruined and people die in every civilization....but there are people with gender dysphoria, that you freak out over.

Lives ruined and death....meh, so what
Transgender people exist...oh no, the sky is falling, save me save me.

What makes the existence of transgender people so much more incredibly important to you than death and ruined lives.   

So, I would like to challenge anyone or multiple people to argue in defense of this ideology. 
You always talk about the ideology but you never answer the question, what exactly do you think the ideology is?  The LGBTQ community is about as diverse as any community, yet you think they are all unanimous in support of this secret ideology you know about, please rxplain this "ideology" that terrifies you so much.

Fill in the blanks - The transgender ideology is ______________________________________________________ and it upsets me because ______________________________________.

Explain to my how it works, and why it would benefit society. I will ask questions and I expect them to be answered with clear and consistent answers that don't contradict each other. 
Explain how intolerance works, and why it would benefit society?   

Especially explain why death and ruined lives are tolerated and good for society and the existence of transgenderism are not tolerated and are bad for society....because that ideology seems more freakish than your secret transgenderism ideology.

Now if you are the type of person that tells me in order to argue I need to argue from the other perspective of Transgenderism then you can leave, because the perspective of transgenderism goes against science and biology, and I will stick to the side of biology. 
What is the "perspective of transgenderism",  is that another name for the "ideology", I know what transgenderism is, not sure what the "perspective" is, please explain.

There needs to be a starting ground for arguments that we can agree on so if you wish to argue, base it in truth or at least try to base it in truth. 
I agree, and the starting point for an argument should be defining the terms, I don't see how we can argue about an "ideology" if you won't tell us what the ideology is.
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Well there are many reasons I find it concerning. 
The idea of transgenderism is that a man can become a woman, and vice versa. This idea in of by itself breaks down social norms.  
Do you think transgenderism was recently invented kid, is that the peoblem here?   Yes, we have always had societal norms and transgenderism has always existed, not the norm, but the whole idea of the term norm is that there is a distribution around the norm.  The fact that there have always been diversity around the norm is the norm.  Why does this particular variation upset you so much?

Now I don't know about you l, but I like society the way it is.
Obviously not, because the existence of transgender people is the way society is, and you are always crying about it like a little bitch.

We have been thriving with our social norms for a while now and it has been good.
OK, and for that entire time transgender people were part of society.

If someone is to suddenly present something like transgenderism which would break social norms, then I want at least an explanation as to why it will benefit society better and why we need it. If no explanation is provided then I am going to assume using human nature as evidence that it is simply for self pleasure and desires, which is not always good and I am obviously going to question that. 
Oh, so that's it, you think transgenderism was just invented LOL.  Hey you're young, maybe you just found out about it, maybe it was "suddenly present" to your mind, maybe it was a shock to your system, but it's always been a thing, society isn't going to die because "those people" just invented transgenderism

You can relax, take deep breaths, try to stop obsessing, breathe, relax, breathe, no need to panic, breathe, try counting to ten, breathe.
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Just another ideology centred around  the innate necessity of sexual reproduction.
Big part of it sure, but I don't think that is how this ideology is effecting out society.
What exactly is the "ideology".

Sexual reproduction is being torn apart by things like hookup culture, pornography etc. Maybe it is doing it a little bit, but not a whole lot. 

Just more over thinking about penises and vaginas and the endocrinal itch.
Well if someone is going to try and  change society, I ought to know the reasoning and logic behind it. Don't I deserve at least that?
Diversity has always been a part of society, if you want to eliminate diversity, you are the one that wants to change society,  Please tell us "the reasoning and logic behind it". We "deserve at least that".
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Societal change is gradual.
He's only 16, and he thinks transgenderism was invented when he found out about it, obviously it freaked the poor kid out. 
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So, I would like to challenge anyone or multiple people to argue in defense of this ideology. 
Glad to participate, but what is the specific "ideology" as you see it? 

because the perspective of transgenderism goes against science and biology, and I will stick to the side of biology. 
Please also let me know what the 'perspective of transgenderism' is, and how it goes against science and biology (transgenderism is nothing new, as someone points out, so it has perpetuated throughout human history). 

THen I'm glad to discuss, but I don't want to guess at what your positions are and get them wrong.
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Societal change is gradual.
He's only 16, and he thinks transgenderism was invented when he found out about it, obviously it freaked the poor kid out. 
I guess YouFound_Lxam is woke now :)
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Someone who?
A group of people. Sorry for not elaborating. This LGBT movement that the left is using to try and change society's standards. 

Societal change is gradual.

And the bit that affects us the most is this bit.

And affect in this context, means that which challenges ideas that were established previously.

And ideas that became established, were instilled by others who were affected by even earlier stages of social development.

So we are sort of always playing data catch up. And therefore we are always somewhat out of date in terms of our established data bases relative to current trends.

You either run with the new, or stress over what inevitably happened but does not correspond with your established way of thinking.
I don't care about these ideas being challenged. I want these ideas to be challenged. That is what I am asking for. I am asking for these ideas to be challenged and looked at/ studied, not just accepted without thought. 



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Big part of it sure,
So what do we do with all these men and women who can’t have children? Should we ban them from society because they can’t procreate? Should a woman who can’t have children not be allowed to get married?

This argument was made when the Supreme Court considered the question of gay marriage. It failed to impress the court.

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Why?
Usually with debates the topic is so pointed in, and with transgenderism there is a lot to hit at and talk about. A lot of points to be made. 

The world is a freak show, there's everything imaginable out there, from people screwing dinkeys to sociopathic cannibals and everything in between, why is transgenderism such an obsession for you, how does transgenderism affect you?
Yes the world is a freak show, and the freak show should be looked at it as just that, and not normal. I want things that are weird to stay weird, because then we live in a weird world. You just proved my point in saying that this movement/ideology is a freak show, by relating transgenderism to freakshow type things. 

Now how does it affect me? I already explained that in the first post. 
Transgenderism affects society. I live in society. Therefore I am affected. 

Lives ruined and death....meh, so what
Transgender people exist...oh no, the sky is falling, save me save me.
I think that you will find that ideology's and persuasion using media and power is far more detrimental than firepower for humans. 
Look up Chaos GPT. It's goal is to find the best way to eliminate humans. Read what the plan is. 

What makes the existence of transgender people so much more incredibly important to you than death and ruined lives.   
 Not the existence of people with gender dysphoria. The transgender ideology. 

You always talk about the ideology but you never answer the question, what exactly do you think the ideology is? 
The transgender ideology is an ideology that promotes the idea that men can become women and women can become men.

 The LGBTQ community is about as diverse as any community, yet you think they are all unanimous in support of this secret ideology you know about, please rxplain this "ideology" that terrifies you so much.
I think you will find that this community does not include a huge number of people. They promote diversity but only include people that agree with them. That is not diversity, that is a cult. 

Fill in the blanks - The transgender ideology is ______________________________________________________ and it upsets me because ______________________________________.
Blank one: An ideology that promotes the idea that men can become women and women can become men.
Blank two: Because it is changing society without the want to challenge it and prove itself worthy. It is changing society, whilst going against basic biology and science. 

Explain to my how it works, and why it would benefit society. I will ask questions and I expect them to be answered with clear and consistent answers that don't contradict each other. 
Explain how intolerance works, and why it would benefit society?   
That's a question to a question. Not an answer. 

What is the "perspective of transgenderism",  is that another name for the "ideology", I know what transgenderism is, not sure what the "perspective" is, please explain.
When I say perspective of transgenderism I mean if you want me to use the terms and definitions that you made up to debate this ideology then I won't because those terms and definitions are biologically, scientifically, factually, untrue and false. I will use the definitions that are biologically, scientifically, and factually true. 

Do you think transgenderism was recently invented kid, is that the peoblem here? 
Nope. It has been a round for a while. But it has only recently been actively promoted and praised by society and the media. 

Yes, we have always had societal norms and transgenderism has always existed, not the norm, but the whole idea of the term norm is that there is a distribution around the norm. 
This ideology is not just trying to become the norm. It is constantly begging for praise and affirmation. 

OK, and for that entire time transgender people were part of society.
Not promoted though.
Again my problem isn't with the people, and the existence of gender dysphoria. My problems is with the promotion of the mental illness.

Oh, so that's it, you think transgenderism was just invented LOL.
Nope. That is factually inaccurate. 
When I said: "If someone is to suddenly present something like transgenderism which would break social norms, then I want at least an explanation as to why it will benefit society better and why we need it."

What I mean is that if someone is to suddenly promote this ideology. Remember transgenderism has not always been called transgenderism. It has commonly been known as gender dysphoria, so I think it is fair to say people are presenting the idea of transgenderism, as a identity and not a mental illness.


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Glad to participate, but what is the specific "ideology" as you see it? 
Thank you for asking me to clear definitions. I respect that. 

I mean the ideology of transgenderism, which suggests and promotes the idea that men can become women and women can become men. 

Please also let me know what the 'perspective of transgenderism' is, and how it goes against science and biology (transgenderism is nothing new, as someone points out, so it has perpetuated throughout human history). 
It goes against science and biology, because science and biology state with empirical evidence that there are men and their are women. Men have a penis and testes, different body structure, and more testosterone in the body than females. Females have a vagina, ovary's, and a different body structure, and more osterigin than males.

The transgenderism ideology denies this biological fact.

THen I'm glad to discuss, but I don't want to guess at what your positions are and get them wrong.
Thank you, and I appreciate that. 
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So what do we do with all these men and women who can’t have children? Should we ban them from society because they can’t procreate? Should a woman who can’t have children not be allowed to get married?

This argument was made when the Supreme Court considered the question of gay marriage. It failed to impress the court.
Ok......................this has nothing to do with my argument. 
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I mean the ideology of transgenderism, which suggests and promotes the idea that men can become women and women can become men. 
Where do you see the promotion of the idea that men can become women and vice versa? That doesn't sound like what I've seen at all. What I've seen is people just wanting their rights to be respected, including the right to be whatever they want to be, however they want to be it, provided they don't infringe on the rights of someone else. I know in the past you've expressed some concern about what might look like "grooming" but is in fact just outreach. It's important for a person who might be around your age to feel like there's a community for them, even if they feel like they might be transgender, that they're not alone. 

It goes against science and biology, because science and biology state with empirical evidence that there are men and their are women. Men have a penis and testes, different body structure, and more testosterone in the body than females. Females have a vagina, ovary's, and a different body structure, and more osterigin than males.

The transgenderism ideology denies this biological fact.
Science and biology state that there are organisms born with penises and people born with vaginas. Transgenderism does not in any way deny this. THe man / woman thing isn't a scientific thing, it's lexicographic. If those two words are deleted from human knowledge, man and woman, then what's the impact that undermines societies as we know them, exactly? 

Do you think transgenders should have to hide that they're one gender or another? Or that a little girl at six years old cannot discover at 14 that she is transgender, and opt to pursue that with other transgenders? Should transgenders be limited in what jobs they can have? Or what hours they can be seen in public?
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Where do you see the promotion of the idea that men can become women and vice versa?
I see it in your comment:
the right to be whatever they want to be
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Where do you see the promotion of the idea that men can become women and vice versa? That doesn't sound like what I've seen at all.
"Transgender people identify as something other than their birth sex. Many struggle deeply to accept their male or female bodies and choose to undergo medical alterations. They may say they are ‘trapped in the wrong body’."

What I've seen is people just wanting their rights to be respected, including the right to be whatever they want to be, however they want to be it, provided they don't infringe on the rights of someone else.
Ok lets get something clear. What rights do transgender people not have that everyone else does, and if there is none, then what exactly are the rights that need to be respected. 

Now, as for the bolded part of you quote, if that was the case, then I wouldn't be as concerned as I am right now. What this ideology has done though, with the help of media and cancel culture, is go after everyone who disagrees with this ideology and has called them terrorists, bigots, transphobes etc. It doesn't infringe on any rights at the moment, but I am worried about the future problems with this ideology's growth and popularity. Again ideological subversion is a very deadly thing. 

I know in the past you've expressed some concern about what might look like "grooming" but is in fact just outreach.
Well, democratic politicians and leaders who have heard about this grooming have not condemned this behavior. Now they don't fully support it either, but they still complain about the backlash.

When the problem with drag queen strippers putting on shows for kids was brought up, democrats didn't condemn it, but instead telling the people through the media, that republicans are trying to infringe on the rights of drag queens. Again republicans' don't care about the existence of drag queens, we care about the drag queens who are identifying themselves with this ideology, and being pedophilic. It doesn't take much to condemn this behavior, but a lot of democrats don't do this. Now I will say, some do, but the more prominent democratic leaders don't. 

 It's important for a person who might be around your age to feel like there's a community for them, even if they feel like they might be transgender, that they're not alone. 
Do you see how this could lead to pedophilia, and other bad things for kids especially?
Again, the gender and sex wars is mostly about attraction to people, why you are attracted to that person, and what genitals' you think you should have. If a child goes to an adult to talk about this or to feel included and not alone, what are they going to have in common? That they both like certain types of people and they both want different genitals?

Science and biology state that there are organisms born with penises and people born with vaginas. Transgenderism does not in any way deny this. THe man / woman thing isn't a scientific thing, it's lexicographic. If those two words are deleted from human knowledge, man and woman, then what's the impact that undermines societies as we know them, exactly? 
I didn't say transgenderism denied the existence of the sexes. I claimed that they believe that men can become women and women can become men. 

Do you think transgenders should have to hide that they're one gender or another?
I believe that transgender people (people who suffer from gender dysphoria) shouldn't have to pretend they are something that they are biologically and factually not, even if they feel like they should be that thing. Now adults should have the right to do this, but I don't have to agree with the legitimacy of it. 

Or that a little girl at six years old cannot discover at 14 that she is transgender, and opt to pursue that with other transgenders?
A little girl who suffers from gender dysphoria should get help, not affirmation to the mental illness.

Should transgenders be limited in what jobs they can have? Or what hours they can be seen in public?
Again, I don't have a problem with the transgender people. I do have a problem with the ideology. 
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It doesn't infringe on any rights at the moment, but I am worried about the future problems with this ideology's growth and popularity. Again ideological subversion is a very deadly thing. 
Ok, so there isn't a huge problem now, but if transgender people aren't sufficiently shamed and marginalized now, we might got a a place where....what happens, exactly? And what's your solution to the issue as you see it?

Again republicans' don't care about the existence of drag queens, we care about the drag queens who are identifying themselves with this ideology, and being pedophilic. 
So isn't the problem with pedophilia and not drag queens? I'd say you have bigger bites to take from the pedophilia apple: start by stripping the Catholic church of all their government protections, tax incentives, etc. After all, pedophilia in church settings is far more prevalent than it is in the drag community, and if your main issue is you want to protect children from predation, I can get with that no problem, but by starting with transgenders and not religious groups writ large, you're tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.  If you could discover that the rate of child abuse by transgender individuals is well below child abuse by the clergy, would you change your crusade? 

Do you see how this could lead to pedophilia, and other bad things for kids especially?
I suppose in rare cases, but I would say that churches are more dangerous. How many children were molested at a drag queen story hour last year? How many were molested by members of their clergy, regardless of denomination?

What other bad things? I mean besides pedophilia, that's pretty bad. 

I claimed that they believe that men can become women and women can become men. 
This is a belief with a lot of semantical nuance. If someone believes this, what's the impact on you? Or your community. 

. Now adults should have the right to do this, but I don't have to agree with the legitimacy of it. 

So your peers then do not have the right to self identify?
Again, I don't have a problem with the transgender people. I do have a problem with the ideology. 
You didn't really describe an ideology. You described one belief that I'm not sure is even an accurate representation, like where do you get it? You already said you've never talked to a transgender person, and it seems getting a group's ideological stance from a source that fundamentally opposes their ideological stance is probably not the best way to get it. 
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Well there are many reasons I find it concerning. 
The idea of transgenderism is that a man can become a woman, and vice versa. This idea in of by itself breaks down social norms.  
Do you think transgenderism was recently invented kid, is that the peoblem here?   Yes, we have always had societal norms and transgenderism has always existed, not the norm, but the whole idea of the term norm is that there is a distribution around the norm.  The fact that there have always been diversity around the norm is the norm.  Why does this particular variation upset you so much?

He said [social norms], not ‘norms.’ Two different terms with two different meanings. 
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Well there are many reasons I find it concerning. 
The idea of transgenderism is that a man can become a woman, and vice versa. This idea in of by itself breaks down social norms.  
Do you think transgenderism was recently invented kid, is that the peoblem here?   Yes, we have always had societal norms and transgenderism has always existed, not the norm, but the whole idea of the term norm is that there is a distribution around the norm.  The fact that there have always been diversity around the norm is the norm.  Why does this particular variation upset you so much?

He said [social norms], not ‘norms.’ Two different terms with two different meanings. 
I suppose that's why I referred to it as "societal norms", and that doesn't change the definition of the word norm.  
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I mean the ideology of transgenderism, which suggests and promotes the idea that men can become women and women can become men. 
Where do you see the promotion of the idea that men can become women and vice versa? That doesn't sound like what I've seen at all. 

It can be seen on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, FascistBook, Twitter, corporate campaign ads (eg, Bud Light, Victoria’s Secret, Nike, so on and so forth).

You even had the first “reality” trans kid (pre-teen) Jazz who transition before the world. The boy now suffers from depression, anxiety, and never feels like himself. Looking at what appears to be a girl in the mirror, but always feeling like the boy he is/was. 

All the left loons and trans activists themselves promote that idea. 

You living under a rock or something?
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I suppose that's why I referred to it as "societal norms", and that doesn't change the definition of the word norm.  
Once, then you used the term norms and kept repeating it. And it does change it deduction of it because societal before the word changes the intended meaning of the term as a whole, societal (social) norms vs just norms.

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It can be seen on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, FascistBook, Twitter, corporate campaign ads (eg, Bud Light, Victoria’s Secret, Nike, so on and so forth).
This isn't promoting the idea that men can become women and vice versa, there's no "I did it, so everyone should too!" component to these. It's just letting people be people. It's just capitalism. 

You even had the first “reality” trans kid (pre-teen) Jazz who transition before the world. The boy now suffers from depression, anxiety, and never feels like himself. Looking at what appears to be a girl in the mirror, but always feeling like the boy he is/was. 
No idea what you're talking about, sorry. 

All the left loons and trans activists themselves promote that idea. 
Which idea, that whoever Jazz is suffers from depression? 
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Ok, so there isn't a huge problem now, but if transgender people aren't sufficiently shamed and marginalized now, we might got a a place where....what happens, exactly?
When ideological subversion is taking place, it doesn't matter if it is bad at the moment. Nazi Germany didn't start out murdering jews. Jews lived in Germany, but over time, the media and social norms of Germany, took it to a place, where Jews were being attacked and slaughtered, and it was normal and ok. 

It isn't infringing on rights, but the transgender ideology wants our rights infringed. I am not talking about what's happening legally in our country, I am only talking about the ideology. The ideology is wrong, not the people. The ideology is wrong, not the law. And what's happening in our culture right now, is that our culture is taking in this ideology, and pushing it to be a part of law, which I have a problem with. People don't have to explicitly say things for the meaning to be behind it. Hitler didn't tell everyone he wanted to dominate the world, he used ideological subversion to get to his goal. 

So answer my questions:
Is this ideology good for society? Why do we need it? If we don't need it and it's not beneficial for society, then why are we pushing it?

So isn't the problem with pedophilia and not drag queens? I'd say you have bigger bites to take from the pedophilia apple: start by stripping the Catholic church of all their government protections, tax incentives, etc. After all, pedophilia in church settings is far more prevalent than it is in the drag community, and if your main issue is you want to protect children from predation, I can get with that no problem, but by starting with transgenders and not religious groups writ large, you're tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.  If you could discover that the rate of child abuse by transgender individuals is well below child abuse by the clergy, would you change your crusade? 
Oh of course we can get into other examples of pedophila with other groups of people, but don't change the subject.

The difference between the Catholic Churches pedophilia, and the transgender communities' pedophilia, is that true catholics all over the world don't waste a second to condemn these people, and they aren't forcing their beliefs into societal norms, they are just open to those who want to go to church. The church is not violent.

The Transgender community does not condemn their own pedophilic actions, they do try and force their ideology onto people, (especially children), and this transgender movement has a lot of ties to violent behavior. Now don't hear what I am not saying. I am not saying all transgender people are violent. 

I suppose in rare cases, but I would say that churches are more dangerous. How many children were molested at a drag queen story hour last year? How many were molested by members of their clergy, regardless of denomination?

What other bad things? I mean besides pedophilia, that's pretty bad. 
Not just rare cases. Their are a lot of examples, of drag queens dancing, stripping, and being inappropriate with children at libraries' and other events. These events are recorded and easily found with just a simple google search. When you have an ideology and a group of people where pedophila is happening and it is not being condemned then that is a problem. 

With the church, there are cases where children are molested, but these cases condemn, arrest, and charge the pedophile. I don't see any drag queen pedophiles being arrested and charged. 

This is a belief with a lot of semantical nuance. If someone believes this, what's the impact on you? Or your community. 
I have answered this a thousand times. How does it affect me? 
Look for yourself in the previous posts. 

So your peers then do not have the right to self identify?
They should have the right to identify as whatever they want. That doesn't matter. They shouldn't have the right as non-adults who can't drink, drive, smoke, own a gun, etc, to medically transition or take drugs and hormones. 

You didn't really describe an ideology.
Ideology:  a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.
The transgender movement is an ideology. So I did describe one. 

You described one belief that I'm not sure is even an accurate representation, like where do you get it?
Well, if you don't understand, then with all due respect, you should probably educate yourself more into a deep dive of transgenderism and what they believe, and the actions that they make, and then try and equate it with facts. 

You already said you've never talked to a transgender person
Where did I say that. 
I have talked to transgender people. I have actually debated many of them in rational conversation. 









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You even had the first “reality” trans kid (pre-teen) Jazz who transition before the world. The boy now suffers from depression, anxiety, and never feels like himself. Looking at what appears to be a girl in the mirror, but always feeling like the boy he is/was. 
No idea what you're talking about, sorry. 
Yea, with all due respect you should probably do at least a little research into the topic before arguing for it. 
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Is this ideology good for society? Why do we need it? If we don't need it and it's not beneficial for society, then why are we pushing it?
It's good for society for all people to have the right to self ownership. It's a fundamental human right. 

It isn't infringing on rights, but the transgender ideology wants our rights infringed.
This isn't what you said earlier: you said the ideology is limited to the idea that men can become women and women can become men. So with such a limited scope, what rights do you think this ideology is trying to infringe upon of yours? 

 our culture is taking in this ideology, and pushing it to be a part of law, which I have a problem with. 
So our culture is taking the ideology that a man can become a woman and woman can become a man  wants what to become a law? This isn't clear at all. 

The difference between the Catholic Churches pedophilia, and the transgender communities' pedophilia, is that true catholics all over the world don't waste a second to condemn these people...With the church, there are cases where children are molested, but these cases condemn, arrest, and charge the pedophile. I don't see any drag queen pedophiles being arrested and charged. 
Catholics protect and empower molesters by shielding them from prosecution and relocating offending priests to other parishes, where they almost always do the same thing.  As far as not forcing their views into societal norms, then why does anyone care about what a candidates religious values are? And literally EVERY religious organization forces their beliefs onto children. It's the only reason religion continues to exist. You mention there are "a lot" of examples, can you define "a lot"? Is it possible you don't see drag queen pedophiles being arrested because...it doesn't happen as much as you're worried about? Seems like that would be a more sensible explanation for the lack of arrests, no?

Now don't hear what I am not saying. I am not saying all transgender people are violent. 
What occurs more often do you think: transgender pedophilia (not children going to story hours which you lump in here, that's not pedophilia) or transgender violence? 

They shouldn't have the right as non-adults who can't drink, drive, smoke, own a gun, etc, to medically transition or take drugs and hormones. 
Don't all minors require parental consent for prescriptions and operations? I don't know where you live but kids in my state can't just go get a prescription for something. Are there a lot of 11 year olds just going to doctors and getting prescriptions where you live? Because if so, maybe THAT's a problem to deal with before you start worrying about who is dressing how.