How to end almost all corporate lobbying in DC.

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Very simple solution.

A constitutional amendment to prohibit the government from distributing corporate welfare with tax funds. Taxes may only be spent on government organizations and can never be spent on private organizations. As a follow up to this rule, Any federal taxes levied on private corporations must be applied evenly to all corporations in America with no fear or favor.


The only corporate lobbying that will then have a reason for existing will be for business regulations.

If the public wants to end ALL corporate lobbying in D.C., then there needs to be a Constitutional amendment prohibiting Congress from regulating private business, either relegating that duty to the states, or to the courts via tort law.
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I thought lobbying was legal in the states. There is nothing wrong about it. What is wrong though is that a politician accepts brives to favour corporates.
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It's a problem when rich people are purchasing both parties. The main incentive they have to purchase politicians is because corporate welfare exists.
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A constitutional amendment to prohibit the government from distributing corporate welfare with tax funds. Taxes may only be spent on government organizations and can never be spent on private organizations.
The Federal government is the largest customer for most industries, you think not letting the goverment buy the materials and products they need is a way to solve the problem of corporate lobbying?  

As a follow up to this rule, Any federal taxes levied on private corporations must be applied evenly to all corporations in America with no fear or favor.


The only corporate lobbying that will then have a reason for existing will be for business regulations.

If the public wants to end ALL corporate lobbying in D.C., then there needs to be a Constitutional amendment prohibiting Congress from regulating private business, either relegating that duty to the states, or to the courts via tort law.
Corporate lobbying the States is better then corporate lobbying the Federal government?  At the highest levels of both the corporate world and goverment is about money and influence, you really think you can make greed, relationships and deviousness go away by playing the shell game with the money?


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you think not letting the government buy the materials and products they need
If the government "needs" something, create a non-private government department that does it instead of private companies. There is no need for corporate welfare.

Tell me why we need corporate welfare again.
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Well, I think you just identified the problem.

What if you ban the political party funding or regulate it a bit more so corporates don't put their dirty money, and instead is the federal government that finances the campaigns of republicans and democrats. Political parties wouldnt be conpromised with corporates in this way.
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You cant ban the 1st amendment which guarantees lobbies reelecting the politicians that provide corporate welfare.

The only solution is to ban corporate welfare.
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I feel like the bigger issue is laws that catter to corporate bemefits like what a company can or can not do. 
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Sidewalker is correct, you can't recreate the whole economy in miniature for the government. If you steal funds you're going to end up paying some private entity somewhere.

Grey parrot is correct, you can't stop a company from lobbying. They don't need to donate to a campaign, that's just the easy way. They could also run propaganda campaigns directly or through non-profits.

The solution is to stop stealing money.

A more detailed solution in that family of solutions would be to have the people directly pay for the government services they need or care about. Execution to be carried out by a case by case 'project triarchy' randomly selected from a pool of the twelve highest vote counts. Votes are proportional to fees or contributions.

All deliberations of each project triarchy are to be recorded and public under severe penalty. When a subcontract is required bids over a certain proportion of the total budget can be overridden by the stakeholders.

Lobbying potential triarchs would be inherently inefficient compared to the current problem for three reasons:

1.) The people control the flow of the money, not just in general but towards a specific project. If a lobbyist can't deliver, they won't get paid. This stands in stark contrast to the current state where the "leader" the lobbyist got elected decides whether to pay more and keep paying.

2.) Three are harder to corrupt than one. The random element means there is a one in 4 chance of getting someone you didn't support even if you picked winners and supported three candidates.

3.) If there is a suspicion of lobbying, the stakeholders (the general public for most intents and purposes) can prevent the corruption, giving the paid off triarch a perfect excuse and further making the act of lobbying a dubious investment.
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you think not letting the government buy the materials and products they need
If the government "needs" something, create a non-private government department that does it instead of private companies. There is no need for corporate welfare.

Tell me why we need corporate welfare again.
I see, so we feed the troops with the food from the government department of grow our own food, and get our telecommunications over at the department of we make phones, and weapons from the Department of Weapons making, the our transportation comes from department of vehicles building, and we build highways with stuff from the department of heavy machinery building, etc, etc, etc

You need to spend money on the corporate world because they happen to the the ones that make the stuff we need to buy.  The Federal Government is one of the largest consumers of products from most critical industries, I'm pretty sure the corporate world isn't gonna donate the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of stuff they buy.
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Where there is incentive to do wrong, people will do wrong.

"You cannot serve two masters. Either serve God, either serve money. That which you serve is where your heart will be." - Bible, New Testament, regarding incentives on Earth.
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So create government farms with government workers to grow food for  government troops.

The current corporate welfare system isn't sustainable.  Stealing from the poor to give to the rich can't go on forever.
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So create government farms with government workers to grow food for  government troops.
Yeah, and then they could have a bake sale to pay for everything else.    The government is so incredibly effiecient, I'll bet they would make really great telephones, computers, and automobiles too.

The current corporate welfare system isn't sustainable. 
But the government making everything themselves is sustainable.  

Stealing from the poor to give to the rich can't go on forever.
Hey, that's an idea, they have the best weapons, maybe they can just steal everything they need.  It worked with the Native Americans.
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But the government making everything themselves is sustainable.

It's more sustainable than the current system where the rich steals from the poor.

But you are arguing a straw man anyway since the vast amount of corporate welfare isn't even used for "feeding the military" or anything else useful.


We don't hire private paramilitaries to completely replace the military. That's because a corporatocracy isn't sustainable.