Is it rape to threaten to rape somebody if they don't have sex with you and then they consent?

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I was just reading this book (ex superheroes 2) and the main character is being threatened with rape by the female supervillain if he doesn't have sex with her. He doesn't want to be raped I guess so he consents to sex but he proceeds to hate fuck the supervillain.

I thought I knew where the line between rape and not rape is, but this scene in the book made me reconsider. Was the main character raped or not?
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Was the main character raped or not?
Yes. "Consent" was obtained through duress. It's not lost on me however that this question is meant to be provocative rather than seriously interrogative.

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Yes (1): Athias,

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  • Since Hunter McNeil only fucked her to get her to join his team, I'd call the sex transactional. 
  • I think as in  most fantasy romance novels written for 15 year old boys, it is only rape if her tentacles go deeper than his prostate.

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Question. Is it gay that the male voice actor for this book has given me no less than 3 erections? 

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Yes (1), athias

No(1), oromagi

Also since it seems you may have read the book, no spoilers I am only half way in. 
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Female Homelander?? 
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Question. Is it gay that the male voice actor for this book has given me no less than 3 erections? 
Not when you're popping viagra like tic-tacs, no.
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Was the main character raped or not?
Lol, "they can't rape you if you consent fast enough"

If the threat of violence still loomed he was raped.
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According to the Bible, its not rape but it is wrong.

You should only make love to a woman when her love awakens. Same applies to man.

"Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you
    by the gazelles and by the does of the field:
Do not arouse or awaken love
    until it so desires." - Bible Song of Songs 2:7

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Female Homelander??

Not really a female Homelander. I would classify her as possibly chaotic neutral
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Oh yeah, i remember this book from my school library.
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Never read the comic, but based on your description:

It's not rape.  Rape doesn't apply to men being sexually harassed.
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It's fiction.

Anything is permissible in Fictionland.
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Lol, "they can't rape you if you consent fast enough"

If the threat of violence still loomed he was raped.
As I understand the events of the story to which Wylted has referenced, a female character who goes by the code name, "Mindfuck," was being recruited by Hunter McNeil to join his new SPCC (Super-Powered Combatant Corps.) As it happens, he only recruits women who also happen to be sexually attractive. She, Mindfuck that is, invades his mind and creates sexually explicit images of the two of them having sex. She then threatens to expose his mission--which is to take down the Supervillains who assumed control of the major cities after a coordinated strike that killed an overwhelming majority of super-powered combatants--to Nexus (a Supervillain) unless he had sex with her. To his chagrin, Hunter McNeil complies and proceeds to have "rough" sex with her--even sodomizing her at some point.


[SPOILER] (Don't read this part, Wylted)

It is later revealed that Mindfuck did this only to create drama not just between herself and her current lover, Mariana--a former Brazilian freedom fighter who's featured on the cover of the third book--but also between Hunter and Mariana, who are "old flames." There's more to the story, but as far as the sex in question, I think this covers it.

[/SPOILER]

Did Mindfuck rape Hunter McNeil? Yes. She still threatened him. Even if she was being facetious about it, this was unknown to Hunter.



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I finished reading it real fast just so I can read your comment. Thanks for the summary 
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you completely took that verse out of context. 2 things:
1: the person she refers to loves her and they are in a relationship, no coersion or threatening involved.
2: she is telling the other women not to talk about him to her cause she is longing for him. Or possibly that they dont stir him up to take notice of her, but that her beloved notices her of his own desire.

song of solomon 2:1-8
1 I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.
2 As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.
3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.
4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love.
5 Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love.
6 His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.
7 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

furthermore, if you want know what scripture says about rape, read leviticus.
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you completely took that verse out of context. 2 things:
1: the person she refers to loves her and they are in a relationship, no coersion or threatening involved.
2: she is telling the other women not to talk about him to her cause she is longing for him. Or possibly that they dont stir him up to take notice of her, but that her beloved notices her of his own desire
This doesnt contradict anything I said.


furthermore, if you want know what scripture says about rape, read leviticus.
It would be helpful if you provided the correct verse that describes the case as rape. Since you didnt provide the verse, I have nothing to respond to.
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I finished reading it real fast just so I can read your comment. Thanks for the summary 
I don't think I spoiled much. But if I did, I apologize. I did my best to keep the summary strictly focused on the circumstances in the novel which informed the scenario you described in your opening post.
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reread what i said. did i say it contridicted you? or did i say you took it out of context?

im sure you can google the verses, im not gonna hold your hand. You want truth? seek it.
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did i say it contridicted you? or did i say you took it out of context?
Take out of context means that I have used it incorrectly. However, since you did not contradict my use of it, there is nothing that refutes my use of it.


im sure you can google the verses, im not gonna hold your hand.
I already know the verses that talk about forced sex and then paying the fine and committing to marriage. However, I would prefer to hear from you which verse talks about this case in the topic.