I’m trying to figure out what is a human being?

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The only definition I can think of to define a human being is based on the definition I would use to define a woman, a man, or an ear of corn.  

When defining nouns, I think it’s okay to show people pictures of what a human, woman, man, or ear of corn look like, and expect people to figure out what is a human, woman, man, or war of corn.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/interactive-pregnancy-tool-fetal-development?week=8 shows the pictures of human development in the pregnancy.  At conception, the pregnancy doesn’t look like it contains a human being.  I just don’t think it does.  8 weeks is a different story.  At 8 weeks, that looks pretty human to me, so I wouldn’t legalize killing an 8 week pregnancy.  Basically, I think abortion should be legal up until 8 weeks into pregnancy and banned beyond this point.  You find out you’re pregnant at 6 weeks, so you still have time to abort under this model.  Make this the federal standard.

I don’t believe bodily autonomy arguments are good, and if anyone believe that bodily autonomy is a good argument, let me know and we will see if bodily autonomy is a good argument.  But here is kind of why I do think bodily autonomy is a good argument:

Let’s say that there are these 2 people in a relationship (a man and a woman).  Let’s say the woman is being a total asshole to the man, the worst asshole you can imagine, and she causes the man so much emotional stress from the relationship.  Let’s also say the man cannot do the following things:

1) Tell her she is being annoying while expecting it to reduce stress, because this would be like a pregnant female telling her fetus to stop being annoying.  She can do it, but don’t expect it to deliver results because fetuses don’t speak English.
2) Break up with her, because this would be like the pregnant female breaking up with the fetus.  If she does this, the fetus is aborted.  If breaking up with your girlfriend resulted in her death, people wouldn’t let you brake up with a girlfriend you chose to get into a relationship with.

His only 2 options are:
1) Suck it up; deal with the stress for 9 months.
2) Kill his mentally abusive girlfriend through painless methods.  A gunshot to the back of the head does this.

Should he be allowed to pick the 2nd option?  Absolutely not; suck up the mental pain because your temporary pain is not worth your girlfriend’s life.  You chose to get into this relationship knowing the hypothetical consequences, so you deal with the girlfriend for 9 months.

Now you know why I don’t believe bodily autonomy is a good argument.
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https://www.webmd.com/baby/interactive-pregnancy-tool-fetal-development?week=8 shows the pictures of human development in the pregnancy.  At conception, the pregnancy doesn’t look like it contains a human being.  I just don’t think it does.  8 weeks is a different story.  At 8 weeks, that looks pretty human to me, so I wouldn’t legalize killing an 8 week pregnancy.  Basically, I think abortion should be legal up until 8 weeks into pregnancy and banned beyond this point.  You find out you’re pregnant at 6 weeks, so you still have time to abort under this model.  Make this the federal standard.
If you are going to define a human being, by how it looks, then you are going to have to account for all the disformed humans and amputees, and every human that doesn't look like a human in some way shape or form. 
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Anthropomorphic life shouldn't make it human.
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If you are going to define a human being, by how it looks, then you are going to have to account for all the disformed humans and amputees, and every human that doesn't look like a human in some way shape or form. 
You can still tell they are human beings, and a 5 year old would be able to tell that a disformed person or an amputee is a human.  They would claim those are humans, but not zygotes.  5 year olds aren't the brightest, but they at least have no political biases.  Unfortunately, the older you get (at least from 5 to 20), the more likely your politics defines your beliefs instead of you own  mind.  Like if the GOP was pro choice and the democrats were pro life (while still holding onto their current beliefs regarding immigration, war in Ukraine, income tax, socialism, UHC, weed, etc), I have a feeling most people are going to switch their views on abortion not because THEY were the ones that changed their minds, but because their party changed their minds.

Like can you name one left wing belief you have?  Probably not; because your under the illusion that you think for yourself, but in reality, the GOP think tanks form all your beliefs (same with the democrats).

At least 5 year olds don't know what political parties are, so their perspective is going to be less biased.
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Anthropomorphic life shouldn't make it human.
Do you have any examples of Anthropomorphic life?  If it's monkeys since they are bipedal, 5 year olds can tell the difference between human beings and monkeys.
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You have a very distorted view of politics and how they work. 

Maybe educate yourself on politics a bit more before you argue about them.

You're not entirely dumb on the politics, but you still got some more to learn. 
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How so?
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You have a simple mind and simple solutions, but you don't put into account all of the problems that could happen, and you don't study why they wouldn't work. 
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You have a simple mind and simple solutions
I could argue this is true of many people on DART.  Banning abortion unless maternal life will die just straight up (agree with it or not) is a simple solution.  It's also a simple solution to want abortion legal until the moment of birth.  Claiming all transwomen are women (or men pretending to be women) are both simple solutions.

I would argue that my position on both of these issues are more nuanced.

My position on abortion is it should be banned beyond 8 weeks into pregnancy because I just don't think a zygote or embryo is a human.  My position on transgenderism is if you look feminine and are an adult, I'm going to call you a woman.  If you haven't been transitioning for long enough, I'm going to call you a man.  I think a 5 year old can make that distinction (5 year olds can be dumb, but at least they aren't biased like what parties do).

Immigration, my solution is not simple; it's to let every county decide it's own policy to deal with the undocumented.  DeSantis and Trump seem to back it, and the undocumented would love that idea.  You are BOTH happy.  The simple solutions are abolish ICE and deport all undocumented immigrants from the country, even if they live in counties that want them.

Simple solutions are the same as ideologues, and I don't think I'm an ideologue.  But you seem like an ideologue (not knocking you for this, but I think it's true).
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I really wouldnt waste my time on abortion, tbh. It doesnt matter what you say or not, women will do it anyway.