Why I don't trust most left wing politicians on climate change

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Most left wing voters are against:
1) Fossil Fuels
2) Nuclear energy

When asking them their ideal energy source, they say renewable energy sources.  If they REALLY supported renewable energy sources, they would own solar panels if they could afford it.  But they don't, implying that they want OTHERS to use solar energy and to pay for panels but they personally don't want solar energy.  This seems hypocritical.

Every pro solar politician should be required to buy solar panels out of their $174,000 a year salary if they tell the rest of us to get panels.  Otherwise, why should I get solar panels?

I think America with our current population should build 300 more nuclear power plants to provide clean and cheap energy and to make Ameria more energy independent.
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Well.

Nuclear Power Plants cost a fortune and are effective for their viable duration, then they become a logistical nightmare.

So an alternative is perhaps a better option.

And given that the Sun bombards us with enough energy in a day to supply our needs for a year (generalisation), it would seem reasonable to invest some time and effort into harnessing some of said energy.

Same applies  to the wind, which is essentially also a Sun driven energy source.

Hence the phrase renewable energy,  but obviously only for the life of the Sun.


Of course, we could also re-educate ourselves to be not so demanding and greedy.

You, me and politicians alike.

Hmmmmmmmmm.  


After all, out of the 8.7 million living species on Planet Earth, only one demands unlimited electrical energy on tap.





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Do you own solar panels?  If not, it’s pretty hypocritical for you to be pro solar for others,  but not for yourself.
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Well for sure, electrical provision can be both a social and personal objective.

Though for reasons directly related to human demand for a continuous supply of energy and consumer goods, other issues relative to global environmental integrity have arisen.

And as the stoic old guard and it's fear and opposition to change slowly dies out, so the new guard sees the necessity to address issues of environmental sustainability.

Environmental sustainability relative to the sustainability of species existence. Not really something to be ignorantly disregarded.

Of course we could just ignore and say what the heck,  and keep pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, but fossil fuel is a limited resource anyway and will eventually run out, especially as population and demand increases.

So why not start to address the issue now and kill two birds with one stone, as the saying goes.


And in respect of my own personal situation:

We installed solar panels onto our  previous property.

We have since relocated and are in the process of renovating an old cottage, which will be re-roofed in May, with Solar panels to follow as and when finances will allow.

Unfortunately we do not earn  politicians salaries.


Solar panels, solar farms and wind farms are quite common in the UK now, by the way

And perhaps we also have a more integrated appreciation of environmental concerns, at a governmental level and also within the wider society.
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We installed solar panels onto our  previous property. 
You live your values.  This is good.  But most pro solar people don’t have solar panels.
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Most people who own solar panels do not own enough battery capacity to keep them fully off the fossil grid.
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The greatest weakness of renewable energy sources is reality. Reality  will set in when your electricity turns off.
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Most people who are serious about living off grid are not going to invest large sums of money for solar and live without central air and heating. In the best circumstances, that means a home uses an average 4 KW per hour. Over 24 hours, the home needs 96 Kw. For most areas, peak sunlight only lasts 5 hours max. So you need solar to generate 20 Kw per hour to supply the demand on its own. That costs around 60k. This translates to a minimum lithium battery of 38 Kw/h to hold the excess needed during the majority of the day that solar cannot be generated. That's around 24,000 dollars. 

All of this assumes optimal sun in optimal temperatures and optimal weather. If you are in a cold area, you might have to pay double this. If you have a larger house. double that again. Panels last around 20 years, batteries around 10 years before severe drop-off in performance.

A 20 Kw/hr Fossil backup generator is 8,000 dollars.
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They can still produce energy that offsets coal energy.

And the politicians want us to pay huge sums for solar power.  But they don’t do this themselves.  It’s hypocritical.