Wuhan (Chinese) Virus lab creation. - in origin

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Conspiracy once again becomes fact. That’s because the lying democratic government can’t keep a secret. No more than that douche bald fag nuclear specialist dude Biden hired for “equity” reasons, who steals women’s luggage at airports. 

Anyone who supports Biden and the Dems are enemies of America. 

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TWS's first ever non-racist post.  That's what I call personal growth.
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Conspiracy once again becomes fact.
What a curious definition of fact
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it never ceases to amuse me how arrogant people are. just because something "new" happens, doesnt mean it followed the same pattern as the "old" history shows how humans caused plagues to other humans as far back as 1000 years ago.

logic is subjective, individuality (in that no one affects another) is foolishness.

when someone says"we may never find out" thats them being arrogant in their ignorance or optimism. or they are lying.

anyways. its funny how things announced 4 years ago suddenly are brought up again under the possibility of truth. why is that? And if its such a possibility that people put it in the forum of information (newspapers, media, etc) what is the potential evidence that makes thousands of people pause other news to bring it up? because a number of people believe it.
why? that is the important question. and when you process that question to its fullest extension you will know 1 truth. mankind is not trustworthy.
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pessimism*
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Although most evidence suggests that Wuhan's seafood and wildlife market was the origin of the Covid-19 outbreak I wouldn’t discount the lab leak theory.   

What makes me mostly sceptical regarding the lab leak theory is the apparent desperation which seems heavily politicised to prove that the virus originated from such a lab leak.
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TWS's first ever non-racist post.  That's what I call personal growth.
None of my posts are racist. None. 

Liberal intellectual cowards like you label them that because you hate the truth. 

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Although most evidence suggests 
What evidence? 

That entire market was cleaned up by the CCP and all so-called evidence was disposed of (so it couldn’t be proven or more specifically, disproven that it was the source/cause). 

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Considering China doesnt have a high quality standard for all their production -we all know the bad reputation of the "Made in China" products-, its quite logical the lab leak theory.

China has to be put on trial and pay the world for the covid damages.
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Sure, Just as soon as the USA pays the world  for regime change wars.
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What evidence? 




Considering they were selling and butchering animals that carry the virus those markets seem a probable source.
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You impress me, dear bird.

I've never thought an american would speak out against his own country. Well done. 👍
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I’m not sure why the faction that is so concerned with being inoffensive to other cultures is so invested in the wet market theory. As if to say, “No! The Chinese are not malevolent; they are not negligent; they are simply unsanitary with their handling of raw meats.”
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The animal to human transmission has been discounted. It was a lab leak. Man made. It was known all along. The left and demonrats lied about it. 
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The animal to human transmission has been discounted. It was a lab leak. Man made. It was known all along. The left and demonrats lied about it. 
As you supply absolutely no evidence to support any of those claims I can only discount them. 

I don’t think anyone is a 100% certain as to the origins of the virus but given that coronaviruses have a record of natural zoonotic leaps the animal markets are a strong contender.


As for it being “man made” as created in a lab, that has been totally discounted by virologists who have studied the virus and have concluded that it is the result of natural mutation.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/S8EFg_VkK-I?feature=share - scientist says US to blame for virus and man-made. 
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Tucker Carlson interviewed a scientist who worked in the Wuhan lab and she made it explicitly clear that Covid was man made and intentionally released by the CCP to hurt the Western world. 
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Tucker Carlson interviewed a scientist who worked in the Wuhan lab and she made it explicitly clear that Covid was man made and intentionally released by the CCP to hurt the Western world. 

I’m not sitting through a load of lengthy YouTube videos but I was able to briefly ascertain that they seem relate to a scientist "Andrew Huff" who has written a book the “The Truth About Wuhan.”

 This is from the organisation Mr Huff worked for distancing themselves from his claims and it also mentions that he never worked in the Wuhan lab. It also confirms the zoonotic origins of the virus.


He comes over as yet another contrarian trying to sell a book and probably gain a little attention.

 When I said “evidence” I was hoping for reputable scientific sites that reference peer reviewed reports, not contentious YouTube videos,conspiracy theory nonsense and definitely not Tucker Carlson.

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This is no less or more racist to the Chinese than his dog whistle Floyd post was to blacks.

Either neither was racist or both were.
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He comes over as yet another contrarian trying to sell a book and probably gain a little attention.

 When I said “evidence” I was hoping for reputable scientific sites that reference peer reviewed reports, not contentious YouTube videos,conspiracy (sic) theory nonsense and definitely not Tucker Carlson.
Awesome use of the genetic fallacy right there.

It's not Carlson you need to hear from, it's the female Chinese scientist that you need to listen to. 
What more evidence do you need than from an actual scientist who actually worked in the Wuhan lab and has inside info.
I mean really. You cannot discount a cited source just because you do not like the name. And you don't have to watch the entirety of a video cited. You are allowed to fast forward, FFS! 


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Awesome use of the genetic fallacy right there.

It's not Carlson you need to hear from, it's the female Chinese scientist that you need to listen to. 
What more evidence do you need than from an actual scientist who actually worked in the Wuhan lab and has inside info.
I mean really. You cannot discount a cited source just because you do not like the name. And you don't have to watch the entirety of a video cited. You are allowed to fast forward, FFS!
My mistake, I assumed Carlson was interviewing Andrew Huff as the other links referenced him. Having done a quick search on Dr Li-Meng Yan it seems she is yet another contrarian who presents no real evidence to support her claim.





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Fact checking sites hold about as much truth as MSM does in its reporting. 

Anyone telling the truth gets smeared and ostracized. And the louder and more direct they are in doing it, the more credence they have in their truth. 
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Fact checking sites hold about as much truth as MSM does in its reporting. 

Anyone telling the truth gets smeared and ostracized. And the louder and more direct they are in doing it, the more credence they have in their truth. 
When I requested evidence I meant research from a reputable university or research centre and not a couple of discredited contrarians.

This for example from the Scripps Research Institute. And it isn’t a fact checking site.

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The virus obviously exists naturally and could have existed in lab  --if not mutated while in lab--  and leaked out.  Even the people in lab may never know if that is what happened. Here is quote form the above site.

..." Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that can cause illnesses ranging widely in severity. The first known severe illness caused by a coronavirus emerged with the 2003 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) epidemic in China.

.....A second outbreak of severe illness began in 2012 in Saudi Arabia with the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). "....

..." While their analysis suggested that SARS-CoV-2 may bind human ACE2 with high affinity, computational analyses predict that the interaction is not ideal and that the RBD sequence is different from those shown in SARS-CoV to be optimal for receptor binding. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 was the result of natural selection."..

I think TWS tends toward bigotry, racism, etc to suit their partisan politics and the cult of Trumpeteer-ism and false narrative. --false narative iss mixture of truth and false to mislead and mis-direct others.
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The virus obviously exists naturally and could have existed in lab  --if not mutated while in lab--  and leaked out.  Even the people in lab may never know if that is what happened.
I have never totally discounted the possibility of a lab leak, although I haven’t as yet seen convincing evidence to substantiate it and the scientific consensus seems to be that it originated in the meat markets. What I dispute are the claims that it is the result of genetic manipulation when the evidence from all the scientific research on the virus says it evolved through natural mutation.  
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I have never totally discounted the possibility of a lab leak, although I haven’t as yet seen convincing evidence to substantiate it and the scientific consensus seems to be that it originated in the meat markets. What I dispute are the claims that it is the result of genetic manipulation when the evidence from all the scientific research on the virus says it evolved through natural mutation.

Elliot, I  understand and agree for the most part of the above. TWS doesnt know jackass from mule about origins of the CoVid-2 virus, and his rhetoric is meant to cause hurt towards others without logical, common sense critical thinking. That is the real kinds of politics that are leading humanity to the edge of extinction.
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Elliot, I  understand and agree for the most part of the above. TWS doesnt know jackass from mule about origins of the CoVid-2 virus, and his rhetoric is meant to cause hurt towards others without logical, common sense critical thinking. That is the real kinds of politics that are leading humanity to the edge of extinction.
I fully appreciate what you are saying but it has always been a policy of mine to try and avoid resorting to criticism of a personal nature when debating, and as for any personal criticism that might be directed at me, I have no problem simply ignoring it.

 I do agree that critical thinking is a rarity.
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Discredit by who, exactly?

Those under the Democratic thumb pressuring them to keep the status quo leftist narrative? Yeah, right!!! 

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Discredit by who, exactly?

Those under the Democratic thumb pressuring them to keep the status quo leftist narrative? Yeah, right!!! 
Discredited by the scientific evidence.

 I don’t see much evidence of a "leftist narrative" in the US. As I see it you have two right-wing parties, the Democrats who seem similar to our Conservative Party and the other a far-right one.

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...policy of mine to try and avoid resorting to criticism of a personal nature when debating..
Sorry if you thought I was criticizing you.  I think TWS is lacking credibility on this topic as well is many others. No more no less.

If you and I disagree on the unknown origin of CoVid-2, then my error. I thought we were on same page, for most part. Maybe not. I dunno now.