Xi Jinping Thought, according to wikipedia

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According to wikipedia, the summary of Xi's thought is:
  1. Ensuring Communist Party of China leadership over all forms of work in China.
  2. The Communist Party of China should take a people-centric approach for the public interest.
  3. The continuation of "comprehensive deepening of reforms".
  4. Adopting new science-based ideas for "innovative, coordinated, green, open and shared development".
  5. Following "socialism with Chinese characteristics" with "people as the masters of the country".
  6. Governing China with the Rule of Law.
  7. "Practise socialist core values", including Marxism-Leninism and socialism with Chinese characteristics.
  8. "Improving people's livelihood and well-being is the primary goal of development".
  9. Coexist well with nature with "energy conservation and environmental protection" policies and "contribute to global ecological safety".
  10. Strengthen the national security of China.
  11. The Communist Party of China should have absolute leadership over China's People's Liberation Army.
  12. Promoting the one country, two systems system for Hong Kong and Macau with a future of "complete national reunification" and to follow the One-China principle and 1992 Consensus for Taiwan.
  13. Establish a common destiny between the Chinese people and other peoples around the world with a "peaceful international environment".
  14. Improve party discipline in the Communist Party of China
I consider number 1 very important, because they are basically saying to the capitalists "we will regulate your work if needed". Capitalists can get out of control with their wealth and influence, and harm society. Xi is right in not giving capitalists too much power.

Over all, it feels like he is trying to develop heavily regulated capitalism, which at that point becomes "much less capitalism" and much more "government regulated market".

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Why are they failing so hard at number 9? 
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Over all, it feels like he is trying to develop heavily regulated capitalism, which at that point becomes "much less capitalism" and much more "government regulated market".
You are not far off. Of course, this is what happens when you plug in market capitalism as a keystone part of the brand new socialist ideology. But of course, a lot of stuff are still monopolized by government-regulated firms, such as Sinopec(producing oil), various construction companies, construction equipment producers, steel producers, railroads, space exploration equipment, etc. Pretty much all the large science research and application are governmentally-owned firms.

Then again, because the sheer amount of people, everything becomes 10x harder in China, and authority is usually involved and needed. So, American liberals who has never set foot on foreign soil has weightless on the topic.

Though, with exactly this, corruption is a huge problem. Nowadays, regional agencies' deputy heads are more likely to be the "fun guy at the parties" than an actual mastermind or scientist. There is a running joke here where "Stephen Hawking wouldn't be granted the head of a project because at meetings, he wouldn't be able to toast naturally". That is what happens when you incorporate even the teeniest tiniest dose of capitalism in, people get greedy and want money and are way too selfish to be optimally productive.
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That said, loving a country does not mean always promoting the status quo, otherwise we would still be in poverty. Hope this changes. I believe the refutation to any "invalid criticism of the country" is just refutation, induction, etc. to prove why this view is wrong, not being reprimanded. That will just make them an actual reason to criticize.

The problem with the system is not that the system is wrong, it is ok when done as intended(For example, Xi himself), but there are just too many people who is exploiting it selfishly that it became an impression.
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Why are they failing so hard at number 9? 
Because there are a lot of poor people, and just a lot of people in general. It is not Denmark or Belgium or the Netherlands where the population is low, the infrastructure is dense, and quick switching is viable.

No, no. If they just switch to "renewables" that quick, millions will starve to death because we would have needed 100x the resources to just built them. And you will have another angle for criticism for that they shouldn't have rushed.

But yes, we are trying. I am not, but my country is.

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I wouldn't advocate switching to renewables. Not prematurely anyway. The concern is that the countries industrialization is stuck in the early 20th century instead of being modern. 

China has traditionally made their numbers a competitive advantage which does not work in the modern age. It is why a tiny country like Japan outperforms them. 

And you willhave another angle for criticism for that theyshouldn't have rushed
.I think it's more important to criticize what is occurring currently than finger pointing about past decisions. this is where I think we disagree. You think the CCP makes perfect decisions and I think that people are imperfect and make imperfect decisions and should always strive to be better. Criticism is a good thing, all governments should welcome criticism. 
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The concern is that the countries industrialization is stuck in the early 20th century instead of being modern.
What?

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Nowadays, regional agencies' deputy heads are more likely to be the "fun guy at the parties" than an actual mastermind or scientist.
Well, that just means better regulation could be necessary at the local level. Something like that is difficult to regulate, but I think it could be done with the law/instructions to the local governments.
"to value achievements the most" would be one such instruction.
Keeping local governments in order is necessary, as it is neccesary to replace them if they consistently fail.


That is what happens when you incorporate even the teeniest tiniest dose of capitalism in, people get greedy and want money and are way too selfish to be optimally productive.
The main problem with capitalism was always greed. The system rewards greed, the greedy ones become more successful and have more influence.
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Almost every country is failing at number 9. Renewable and clean energy is very expensive. Even EU admitted that its not possible right now. Plus, with the military competition going on again between countries, 9 is not even a priority for anyone.
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China is arguably the single worst nation at number 9, 2 and 5, if we exclude that shithole north korea for number 5 and 2.
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Have you been to China ever and see how we live? No?

If not, I think shutting up is the better choice.
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Its hard to be a world's factory producing a lot and to have over a billion of population and to have high military production and not to cause lots of pollution.

Number 2, and 5 "People as the masters of the country" is actually ideology used by North Korea and praised in many works of Kim Jong Il. Not sure if China or Korea used it first.
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Well, that just means better regulation could be necessary at the local level. Something like that is difficult to regulate, but I think it could be done with the law/instructions to the local governments.
Dunno if it would work.

Some of the regional heads are cooperating with local gangs. In fact, Anti-corruption TV series are less likely to get a pass on the TV channel than a normal one say, depicting love, because it tempered with their selfish profits.

If it is going to work, it is going to take a lot more than what you think is "hard".

Xi is not at fault, it is just some at the regional level and even at inspecting agencies at a national level(especially on art works) really are terrible people(some of them are not only greedy, they are western spies). If they bring me to the police station for saying this, it is probably I am right.

Everyone knows this pretty much, Unfortunately, I don't know how to reform from the status quo. That said, defending the status quo is not patriotism, at least not necessarily. Real patriotism promotes growth. If at 1911 I a chinese still speak for the Qing Dynasty even knowing how wobbly and corrupt and fragile it is, it is not patriotism for the Chinese, it is arrogance.
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"to value achievements the most" would be one such instruction.
Keeping local governments in order is necessary, as it is neccesary to replace them if they consistently fail.
There are numerous ways for those to "seem" good leaders on every statistics even when everyone knows they are greedy exploiters. One popular form is to exploit the workers and even the volunteers to make the city seem more productive, cleaner, etc. than they could handle. The hopeless part is that they can't check on every single day on every single city, and revise the rules for every inadequate part.

What is even more hopeless, is that sometimes the guy knows how to give a toast the best is often chosen by the last guy who gave the best toast speech towards the guy before him, etc., inducing such behavior and in the result, the position holder knows even less jack shit about how to run a city than before somehow. That is the main flaw created. Local governors and mayors are each day more disconnected from his people, it is almost like the old capitalist days again. The rich monopolize the position, making the position less reputable and more and more associated with the greedy upperclassmen. The commons, the intellectuals, would rather work as a science researcher in the University labs than to be an official. It gets worse until significant reforms on both the positions themselves and education succeeds.

You know what is even more even more hopeless? Sometimes a good guy steps in the position, and the opposition bonds with the large corps, the foundations, the capitalists, to eventually let him step down, replaced with a guy who'd allow the capitalists to exploit the workers and to pollute the atmosphere. A tiny dose of capitalism splashes within an organized society of billions, and this is what happens.

I am not hopeless, am I? Maybe on the present, not on the future. Surely they will fix this sooner or later, the sooner the better.
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it is just some at the regional level and even at inspecting agencies at a national level
If the inspecting agencies are corrupt, that is the difficult problem to solve since the inspecting agencies are the ones supposed to remove the corruption and not join it.

Ideally, there are "inspections" and "citizen reports" and "national education" managing the corruption.
However, if citizens are punished for reporting, and if inspection is corrupt, there is not much to be done except reform those two which are crucial for problem solving.
National education is the third element of managing the corruption, but it is not enough by itself.
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LMAO who the fuck do you think you are to threaten me? I am free to speak here.

Also, you have no idea what I've experienced or researched or whatever else. You know less about China than me, I guarantee it, they keep you in a bubble there where you know next to nothing about other Chinese areas.




not hard to research.

As for general Chinese people, where do you mean? Urban or rural? The rural ones seem happy and ignorant of the reality in the cities, I actually like their way of life as they stay taoist-like or buddhist-like and are peaceful and zen. The urban ones are in a deep hell of workaholism and terrible atmosphere, the gas in the general air is so toxic it can harm your lungs in Chinese cities.


Chinese people have literally evolved to cope with air pollution, meaning those who weren't resistant to it died off and/or didn't reproduce well (well they couldn't, it was a one child policy last generation)

Air pollution seriously threats to human health. Understanding the health effects of air pollution is of great importance for developing countermeasures. However, little is known about the real-time impacts of air pollution on the human heath in a comprehensive way in developing nations, like China. To fill this research gap, the Chinese urbanites' health were sensed from more than 210.82 million Weibo (Chinese Twitter) data in 2017. The association between air pollution and the health sensing were quantified through generalized additive models, based on which the sensitivities and adaptions to air pollution in 70 China's cities were assessed. The results documented that the Weibo data can well sense urbanites' health in real time. With the different geographical characteristics and socio-economic conditions, the Chinese residents have adaption to air pollution, indicated by the spatial heterogeneity of the sensitivities to air pollution. Cities with good air quality in South China and East China were more sensitive to air pollution, while cities with worse air quality in Northwest China and North China were less sensitive. This research provides a new perspective and methodologies for health sensing and the health effect of air pollution.

5. Conclusions
By combining Weibo data with air pollutant data and meteorological data, a new perspective for understanding the health effect of air pollution has been proposed and applied in 70 cities in China. The generalized additive model was employed to quantify the association between air pollution and residents' health sensing from Weibo data. This research revealed the adaption to air pollution, indicated by the spatial heterogeneity of the sensitivity to air pollution in the study area.

The application of Weibo data in health sensing can monitor urbanites' health responses in real time, and understand the health effect of air pollution from a more comprehensive level, rather than being limited to the top of the health impact pyramid. This research also introduced the generalized additive model to quantify associated the air pollution with the health sensing. There was typical power function relation between the air quality of Chinese cities and the sensitivity of residents, that is, when the air quality in the city was better than a certain threshold, residents show greater sensitivity to air pollution, and the R-Square ranged from 0.04 to 0.51. The sensitivity of urbanites' to air pollution showed obvious spatial heterogeneity. Due to their different geographical characteristics and socio-economic conditions, the seven geographical regions of China showed different sensitivities to air pollution. South China and East China were more sensitive to air pollution, while Northwest China and North China were less sensitive.

This research provides a new perspective for public health surveillance from the perspective of health sensing. Paying attention to health sensing can not only make public health surveillance closer to people's lives and real health outcomes, but also corresponding policies can be formulated before air pollution has a worse impact to reduce people's lives and property losses.

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He just threatened me to be quiet about China and then proceeded to explain how corrupt it is, that's top tier comedy.
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Xi is not at fault, it is just some at the regional level and even at inspecting agencies at a national level(especially on art works) really are terrible people(some of them are not only greedy, they are western spies). If they bring me to the police station for saying this, it is probably I am right.
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There are numerous ways for those to "seem" good leaders on every statistics even when everyone knows they are greedy exploiters.
Hence, the opinion and reports of regular people living there should be valued over well polished statistics.
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Well, what I am expressing was not the majority. However, the existence of merely one bad apple poisons the basket. And the emergence of any bad apple is very easy. That is what is hard.

Technically, most local governments are good, however, corruption is still an extremely urgent problem because it exists.
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Xi is not at fault, it is just some at the regional level and even at inspecting agencies at a national level(especially on art works) really are terrible people(some of them are not only greedy, they are western spies)
While obviously both countries will have spies implanted in the other country, this is hard to believe that it will be common. It's got to be hard for America to get spies implanted in China since they will definitely be executed without a trial for even a hint of suspicion. While Chinese spies assuming they are using honey pot traps and the like can basically spy and the only punishment in the United States is likely deportation.

There is no way the United is getting a lot of spies in under those circumstances. We have more spies in allied nations like France than China, it is just these regimes use that paranoia as an excuse to hunt down people they view as threats to the regime. People who are undoubtedly good for the country and just bad for the regime but bad for the regime none the less
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It's got to be hard for America to get spies implanted in China since they will definitely be executed without a trial for even a hint of suspicion.
Not exactly.


Only the most severe ones will get the death penalty, which may include those at the national inspection agencies for the arts, etc. However, that is far from the only kind of spies the US aids.


One group from the US helps a group of "liberal" Taiwanese internet users to attack China's media, social platforms, etc. They aren't as high level as those in Textbook design, University council, national quality control, so they aren't fit for the death penalty just yet. However, one must watch out.

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I don't have strong knowledge or opinion on modern China or it's leaders,
(Though I have 'some opinions and views),
But I find your perspective and posts on the subject interesting.