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@TheUnderdog
One like was from me as a joke. Because GP is a joke but I give him credit for a kind of self deprecation
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If an underage person said 'cut out my eye, I feel like a pirate'and genuinely meant it, we would treat the mental illness even if brain scans showed they had brains similar to that of pirates.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Basically though republicans want businesses to be politically neutral, Disney decided to not be politically neutral
Then not only do republicans not give a damn about free speech liked they love to pretend, but they also believe in government so big it gets to decide how private businesses are allowed to conduct themselves. Sounds like a breathtaking level of hypocrisy.
And no, republicans do not want businesses to be politically natural, that's where they get their donations. Ironically Disney was a big contributor to Florida republicans, I wonder how they'll spend those funds moving forward.
and they weren't so much punished as they were forced to pay taxes like every other business in Florida is required to do.
They were forced to pay taxes and lost their special district status*because of and in direct retaliation for* them speaking out against Florida law. That's the literal definition of punishment.
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@Double_R
I am surprised that you think removing corporate subsidies is a display of "big government"
Ironically Disney was a big contributor to Florida republicans,
The nice thing about Democrat politicians is that once purchased, they usually stay purchased.
In direct retaliation for* them speaking out against Florida law. That's the literal definition of punishment.
Pretty sure they wanted to keep "Woke Groomsney World" within their own world and not create that for all of Florida. I know Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch is gone, but there does not necessarily need to be a replacement.
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@Greyparrot
I am surprised that you think removing corporate subsidies is a display of "big government"
This is where you can see the liberal hypocrisy come in. The second you do something that ideologically they agree with but it benefits the wrong team than you see the mask comes off.
What happened to Wylted?
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@Greyparrot
That is the image I am trying to make my profile pic. Having struggles at the moment though
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@Greyparrot
@PREZ-HILTON
This is where you can see the liberal hypocrisy come in. The second you do something that ideologically they agree with but it benefits the wrong team than you see the mask comes off.
This is where it helps to read what others write and understand it before replying, as opposed to focusing on trigger words and phrases you think amount to a "got-cha".
At no point did I espouse any position on Disney's special tax status because that is completely irrelevant to this conversation.
Once again, Disney took issue with a law Florida passed and spoke out against it. In response to Disney saying something the Florida governor didn't like, he decided to use the power of the state to punish the corporation.
And it's not even like this is a controversal spin, he was pretty explicit in spelling out his motivations.
Whether Disney should have special tax status is an entirely different conversation. We would not be talking about this had Disney not criticized the law Florida passed.
So when right wingers pretend that they care about free speech and claim it is under assault, if they are not condemning what Desantis did they are a full blown hypocrite whom nobody should be taking seriously.
And in case I didn't make myself clear enough, Disney's special tax status has nothing to do with this conversation.
Understand?
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@Double_R
so do you oppose them having the special tax status yes or no?
Do you oppose how liberals try to force corporations to be political on their behalf or is it better that politics is left to the people rather than billion dollar corporations?
I will get to the other stuff I just want to know where you stand ideologically so we can see if you are being consistent or engaging in motivated reasoning such as we have seen where there was an internal memo sent to lots of democrat politicians to oppose Trumps policies that they disagree with because they would rather americans suffer than have the wrong team get credit.
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@PREZ-HILTON
so do you oppose them having the special tax status yes or no?
Generally speaking, yes I do. But this is a complex issue, so my position on it isn't set in stone.
Do you oppose how liberals try to force corporations to be political on their behalf or is it better that politics is left to the people rather than billion dollar corporations?
The way you are phrasing this is just cartoonish. You talk about liberals likes it's some small group of a few individuals pulling the strings for everyone and then contrast it with "the people", as if liberals are not people.
Corporations are made up of people, and those people have opinions. Just because you don't like their opinions doesn't mean they are being held at gun point to state them.
To the extent corporations are feeling the pressure to think a certain way that's because that's what the population they are among wants from them. Not everyone of course, but most. That's all were seeing here. There's no conspiracy.
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@Double_R
that's because that's what the population they are among wants from them.
Most people in Florida are not pressuring Disney to behave this way.
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@Double_R
To the extent corporations are feeling the pressure to think a certain way that's because that's what the population they are among wants from them. Not everyone of course, but most. That's all were seeing here. There's no conspiracy.
About 50% of America is conservative. Why is it most billion dollar corporations push woke agendas even at the expense of their own profits and obviously with great harm to the United States.
Do you oppose how liberals try to force corporations to be political on their behalf
And just how do they do that?
there was an internal memo sent to lots of democrat politicians to oppose Trumps policies that they disagree with because they would rather americans suffer than have the wrong team get credit.
do you need to amend this? You said - democrats oppose Trump policies they disagree with.
About 50% of America is conservative. Why is it most billion dollar corporations push woke agendas even at the expense of their own profits and obviously with great harm to the United States.
obviously? What harm exactly? CEO’s push woke agendas (like treating black people with respect) because it’s good business and it helps harmonize their diverse workforce so HR departments aren’t overwhelmed with complaints, high turnover, law suits, and employees who don’t like coming to work.
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@Greyparrot
Most people in Florida are not pressuring Disney to behave this way.
You do know Disney's customer base is not limited to Florida right?
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@PREZ-HILTON
About 50% of America is conservative. Why is it most billion dollar corporations push woke agendas even at the expense of their own profits and obviously with great harm to the United States.
It's not 50%, it's more like a third. Same with liberals. Then there are those in the middle or who don't really follow politics and couldn't tell you what they are.
And by "pushing woke agendas" what you really mean is standing up for minorities and being inclusive so everyone has a chance to see themselves represented. The fact that this had become toxic on the political right is an absolute joke.
Regardless of how you caricature it, that is obviously good for any major corporation. It's unfortunate that such a large chunk of the country has made it their cultural mission to stop it, but that chunk is far smaller than the rest of the country so it's just common sense for any major corporation to go that route, even if they do overdo it sometimes.
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@Double_R
You do know Disney's customer base is not limited to Florida right?
So places like China. Yeah, you can see where this is gong...
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@Double_R
And by "pushing woke agendas" what you really mean is standing up for minorities and being inclusive so everyone has a chance to see themselves represented. The fact that this had become toxic on the political right is an absolute joke.
Do we need more inclusion in the NBA balecause it is predominantly black or should it be a meritocracy?
even if they do overdo it sometimes.
Overdoing it is inherently evil. They should instead seek to be altruistic.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Nobody is stopping Woke Disney World from moving to Shanghai or LA.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Do we need more inclusion in the NBA balecause it is predominantly black or should it be a meritocracy?
Is there a point you are trying to make, or have we reached the part of the conversation where you have nothing left and just start throwing out silly little comments to make this thread go away?
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@Greyparrot
So places like China. Yeah, you can see where this is gong...
Yeah, I see exactly where it's going. You've got nothing left so now you're just saying stupid things to make the readers forget how silly your position turned out to be.
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@Double_R
Heh, I am just rolling along with your premise that multinational global corporations represent and reflect the common American.
Fun to discuss.
Is there a point you are trying to make
His point is that inclusion means equality for everyone except whites.
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@Double_R
Is there a point you are trying to make, or have we reached the part of the conversation where you have nothing left and just start throwing out silly little comments to make this thread go away?
You mentioned representation. I assumed that meant you want to see people chosen for certain jobs based on their identity and not their qualifications. If not than what do you mean by representation?
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@Greyparrot
Heh, I am just rolling along with your premise that multinational global corporations represent and reflect the common American.
No, you're rolling along with a premise you made up.
I didn't say corporations represent the common American, I argued that they are at worst capitulating to the ideas embraced by most of the country because it's in their best interest to do so.
This isn't complicated.
Recall where this conversation started, I was replying to a comment made suggesting that I was ok with corporations being "forced" by liberals to act against their business interests. You can strawman me all day because that's clearly all you have, but that's the context my points are being made within.
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@Double_R
To the extent corporations are feeling the pressure to think a certain way that's because that's what the population they are among wants from them. Not everyone of course, but most. That's all were seeing here. There's no conspiracy.
My contention is that global national corporations are under tremendous pressure from external nations to subvert American interests.
The NBA is another example when asked about how much China influences their business policies.
My contention is not a conspiracy.
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@PREZ-HILTON
You mentioned representation. I assumed that meant you want to see people chosen for certain jobs based on their identity and not their qualifications. If not than what do you mean by representation?
I said that people (aka customers) want to see themselves represented. Remember we're talking about Disney, a mostly content driven company. So when people see themselves in movies and shows they are more likely to embrace the company as a whole.
The point was that being inclusive is generally a good idea for any company. The problem we're having that being inclusive is now labeled as "wokism" and is just like that, with no further thought required, deamonized by the political right.
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@Greyparrot
My contention is that global national corporations are under tremendous pressure from external nations to subvert American interests.
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What happened to Wylted?
I think when he was a baby he was dropped on his head a lot.