America should not thrive on diversity.

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Simply put, when nations base themselves on diversity, they open the doors for "tribal" like groups of people with different beliefs, races, and ethnicities to separate and not work together, therefore creating a society where no one gets along. 

America has tried this approach in the presenting holidays like black history month and, Latino heritage month. America has also done this in pushing the LGBTQ+ agenda, and dividing the political parties into two extreme sides, and has in doing so, divided different groups of people so far apart, that we cannot agree on one single thing anymore soley based on who you are, or what you believe in. 

Nations, and societies have to have at least one thing that unites us all and causes us to come together as one nation.

Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't have different believes and ideas to ourselves and communities, but what I am saying is that the whole point of America is that we can have differencing opinions about things, yet still get along. Division is not something we should be promoting, and instead we should be uniting as one nation, under the basic believe and right that we all hold dear. Freedom.

We should not be enforcing ideas to each other, rather living along with one another despite our differences. NO one should be defined by what they believe in, what they look like, or what they hold dear. As Americans we should all hold one definition of ourselves. 
We are all Americans, and that is the only definition that we hold. 
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Personally, I like the concept of celebrating diversity but it can be overdone. 

Overdone, as in to do so as a superficial way. 

There have been complaints from black communities about a different kind of racism from liberals. The idea that white liberals believe they understand racism more than black people who have experienced it and will white-knight all african americans as victims of oppression. 
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Diversity can be a beneficial thing, so long as it is a subculture that comes secondary to the shared, primary culture.
Societies work when the people within have something in common that unites them, this is where a shared culture comes into play (and why cultural assimilation by immigrants is necessary for a functioning society). If the people focus on and strengthening that unity it leads to people that don't let their differences create conflict, and thus we end up with the differences from secondary subcultures being ways of seeing issues from various perspectives (and thus can lead to better solutions to issues the society faces).
The problem comes in when there isn't a shared, unifying culture or when the shared, unifying culture comes secondary to people with the subculture becoming primary. This leads to division, which leads to viewing others within society as part of "in-groups" or "out-groups", leading to conflict.
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i dont care for diversity. humans have more in common than different.
the difference of method and expression comes from experiences, but also stubborness and fear.
culture is not that meaningful, its just an expression of said stubborness and fear.
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@YouFound_Lxam
    Nations, and societies have to have at least one thing that unites us all and causes us to come together as one nation.

    Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't have different believes and ideas to ourselves and communities, but what I am saying is that the whole point of America is that we can have differencing opinions about things, yet still get along. Division is not something we should be promoting, and instead we should be uniting as one nation, under the basic believe and right that we all hold dear. Freedom.
    Can you explain how you think this isn't what we all believe in today? Does it have anything to do with transgender or gay people? How and where do you think division is being promoted, and by whom? 
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    @YouFound_Lxam
    Simply put, when nations base themselves on diversity, they open the doors for "tribal" like groups of people with different beliefs, races, and ethnicities to separate and not work together, therefore creating a society where no one gets along. 
    Whatdoes “base themselves on diversity” mean?  Diversity is simply the reality of the situation; we are a diversecountry.  Are you talking abouttolerance?   We shouldn’t base ourselves on tolerance?Please clarify.

    America has tried this approach in the presenting holidays like black history month and, Latino heritage month. America has also done this in pushing the LGBTQ+ agenda, and dividing the political parties into two extreme sides, and has in doing so, divided different groups of people so far apart, that we cannot agree on one single thing anymore soley based on who you are, or what you believe in. 
    Youkeep referring to this LBGTQ agenda, what exactly is the LGBTQ agenda?   

    I thinkyou are saying we are a very divided country, we are polarized to say theleast, do you think this is because of things like Black History Month?  It’s very unclear what you are trying to say,diversity good, or diversity bad, tolerance good, or tolerance bad? 

    Nations, and societies have to have at least one thing that unites us all and causes us to come together as one nation.

    Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't have different believes and ideas to ourselves and communities, but what I am saying is that the whole point of America is that we can have differencing opinions about things, yet still get along. Division is not something we should be promoting, and instead we should be uniting as one nation, under the basic believe and right that we all hold dear. Freedom.
    Thispost is all over the place, it sounds like you are saying that instead of allowingthings like Black History Month or the LGBTQ “agenda” we should have freedominstead”?  Isn’t that self-contradicting?

    We should not be enforcing ideas to each other, rather living along with one another despite our differences. 
    Do youthink Black History Month enforces ideas on you?

    NO one should be defined by what they believe in, what they look like, or what they hold dear.
    OK, andwhen you refer to the LGBTQ agenda, aren’t you defining people by what theybelieve in?

    As Americans we should all hold one definition of ourselves. 
    We are all Americans, and that is the only definition that we hold. 
    These are nice words, but  they appear to be a distraction, that certainly doesn’t seem to be whatthe rest of the post is getting at.  Please clarify what you are trying to say.
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    @Sir.Lancelot
    Celebrating diversity means really that some classes of people are more diverse than others. This is as far from an egalitarian society as you can get.

    But we all know diversity as portrayed in the media is only skin deep and used as a cover for the abolition of diverse thought. The ultimate Orwellian hypocrisy.
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    @YouFound_Lxam
    under the basic belief and right that we all hold dear. Freedom.
    Covid showed us after years of "diversity" that this is no longer a shared culture among Americans. Some people actually begged for restrictions of freedoms.
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    @Greyparrot
    Celebrating diversity means really that some classes of people are more diverse than others. This is as far from an egalitarian society as you can get.
    Only if you don't know what the word egalitarian means.

    An egalitarian society is one that believes in the principles of social justice and equal rights for all people, no matter what "class of people", or how diverse those people are. 

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    @Sidewalker
     no matter how diverse those people are.
    Then why celebrate something that detracts from it?
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    Simply put, when nations base themselves on diversity, they open the doors for "tribal" like groups of people with different beliefs, races, and ethnicities to separate and not work together, therefore creating a society where no one gets along. 
    Kid, you are a moron.

    America has tried this approach in the presenting holidays like black history month and, Latino heritage month. America has also done this in pushing the LGBTQ+ agenda, and dividing the political parties into two extreme sides, and has in doing so, divided different groups of people so far apart, that we cannot agree on one single thing anymore soley based on who you are, or what you believe in.
    The only division is that between racists and bigots vs. intelligent and woke people. The racists always lose in the long run. It use to be illegal for gays to marry or blacks and whites to marry. People use to hate Italian and Irish immigrants. We use to have white only drinking fountains in this country. We once put Japanese Americans in isolated camps. Most Americans learn from our disgraceful past conduct.

    Nations, and societies have to have at least one thing that unites us all and causes us to come together as one nation.
    Yes genius, we have several things like our founding documents and the great story of the American War for Independence. 
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    Can you explain how you think this isn't what we all believe in today? Does it have anything to do with transgender or gay people? How and where do you think division is being promoted, and by whom? 
    Some people do think this today. I never said no one believes this today. 

    And when it comes to the transgender and gay, community it causes division between the people who are LGBTQ+ and people who are anti-LGBTQ+, and right now certain things that both the LGBTQ+ community and the anti-LGBTQ+ community are going to the extreme on both sides to push certain laws. When the law is something that threatens someone's beliefs, people tend to fight against it, and try their best in any way to go against it, which can lead to division. 

    Division is also being promoted with the BLM movement, and with other companies like it. 
    Because when someone preaches anything besides the fact that all lives matter, then some people tend to divide from that. 
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    Because when someone preaches anything besides the fact that all lives matter, then some people tend to divide from that. 
    Only racists and other fragile human beings.

    Do you think the breast cancer awareness campaign is hurting awareness of other kinds of cancer? When you see someone with a pink ribbon to you get upset and tell them All Cancer Matters?

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    @Sir.Lancelot
    Personally, I like the concept of celebrating diversity but it can be overdone. 
    Really? Like when Asians demand equal rights and opportunities?

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    @Sidewalker
    Whatdoes “base themselves on diversity” mean?  Diversity is simply the reality of the situation; we are a diversecountry.  Are you talking abouttolerance?   We shouldn’t base ourselves on tolerance?Please clarify.
    Base in diversity, means what it says.
    Diversity: the practice or quality of including or involving people from a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds and of different genders, sexual orientations, etc.

    Now I'm not saying diversity is bad. Diversity is a good thing. But when you base a nation or society on diversity, it leads to seperation from the differences in certain people, because people tend to group together based on something they all have in common. That is how communities and nations form. When you have a certain group of people who believe one thing, and another group of people who believe another thing, and those people don't want to share a common belief, then history has shown that that can lead to big conflicts. 

    Youkeep referring to this LBGTQ agenda, what exactly is the LGBTQ agenda?   
    Ok now your just asking stupid questions. 
    Ok so what you do in English grammar is you put two words together to form a sentence.

    First find out what the LGBTQ+ community is.
    Then use the definition of agenda.
    Agenda: the underlying intentions or motives of a particular person or group

    Then you have the phrase: LGBTQ+ agenda. 

    Thispost is all over the place, it sounds like you are saying that instead of allowingthings like Black History Month or the LGBTQ “agenda” we should have freedominstead”?  Isn’t that self-contradicting?
    People have the right to make a black history month sure. But what I am proposing is that doing those things is not a good idea, because it causes division.

    Do youthink Black History Month enforces ideas on you? 
    Oh, most definitely. 

    OK, andwhen you refer to the LGBTQ agenda, aren’t you defining people by what theybelieve in?
    What I mean by define people, is push yourself and them into somewhat of an extremist group just soley because you don't agree with them. Now when it comes to the LGBTQ+ community, they preach inclusion, which would be ok, if they actually did that. Instead, they say if you don't agree with them, then you are a bad person. So, if a group of people are going to define me by what I believe in, then I am not going to respect that group of people. So certain groups of people need to be defined, because they preach the opposite of freedom.
    So, we should not define people by what they believe in, unless what they believe in involves defining people by what they believe in. 


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    The racists always lose in the long run. It use to be illegal for gays to marry or blacks and whites to marry. People use to hate Italian and Irish immigrants. We use to have white only drinking fountains in this country. We once put Japanese Americans in isolated camps. Most Americans learn from our disgraceful past conduct.
    Yes........that is basic history.......nice job, I guess?

    Yes genius, we have several things like our founding documents and the great story of the American War for Independence. 
    Again....just basic history. 
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    Diversity has consistently produced wars throughout history. The diversity of opinions is described as "We think differently, but we get along". It is not true. What it is true is "We think differently, we argue, then we fight wars once we cant verbally impose our values".

    The example of diversity is "a muslim coming to live in US and going around the US saying there should be death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy".
    Or LGBT movement saying you should go to prison if you call trans woman a man.
    LGBT went so far to block Harry Potter games because the author of the series said that genders exist.
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    @YouFound_Lxam
    People have the right to make a black history month sure. But what I am proposing is that doing those things is not a good idea, because it causes division.
    Division for bigots who don’t want to believe facts. Black History Month helps to fight ignorance that someone like you is submerged in. You think black people have less wealth than their white counterparts because of “cultural differences”. That’s nonsense. Black history lessons can teach you about the systemic racism that caused black American wealth to stagnate. Black history lessons can teach you and people like you all the contributions black Americans have made to this country which will help dispel your faulty beliefs about black culture.

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    @Greyparrot
     no matter how diverse those people are.
    Then why celebrate something that detracts from it?
    You are trying to set a false dichotomy, egalitarian presupposes diversity, the two are in no way opposed.
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    What I don't understand yet about americans is why after a long process of race-mixing between black and white people ( don't tell me they don't because when it comes to sex there is no excuse such as the skin color), the US is still perceived as a place of only black and white?

    Aren't there people that identify as mestizos? Or do you need more time to mix well so you can talk about a real american who is a mestizo?
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    Division for bigots who don’t want to believe facts. Black History Month helps to fight ignorance that someone like you is submerged in. You think black people have less wealth than their white counterparts because of “cultural differences”. That’s nonsense. Black history lessons can teach you about the systemic racism that caused black American wealth to stagnate. Black history lessons can teach you and people like you all the contributions black Americans have made to this country which will help dispel your faulty beliefs about black culture.
    No, black history month is there to make white people feel bad about something they didn't do, and give entitled black people more to be feel entitled about.

    Black history is human history. There is nothing special about it. 


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    we literally elected a mulatto and crowned him a black man because black is a higher class of diversity.
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    @YouFound_Lxam
    Black history is human history. There is nothing special about it. 
    So history classes shouldn’t be broken down into subcategories? No world history, no European history, no American history classes - just human history or history. 

    Should we stop teaching American History because talking about King George the III makes Americans who came from Great Britain feel bad?

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    Thett3 had a really good argument against this. He said liberals at once want to both celebrate diversity and also at the same time claim that differences do not matter.

    It's Orwellian doublespeak of the highest order meant to confuse people into believing both things can be true at the same time when they obviously cannot.
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    So history classes shouldn’t be broken down into subcategories? No world history, no European history, no American history classes - just human history or history. 
    Don't make yourself sound stupid now.

    Yes, there should be subcategories of certain ethnicities and nations, but not one particular race. 

    Also, not all of black history is good history. 
    You know that black Africans sold their own people in the Atlantic Slave Trade. 

    Also, all of the massacres and rapes in Black history in Africa are a part of black history that isn't good. But you don't see them celebrating those. 
    It's the equivalent of making a white history month and only showing the good white history. 

    Should we stop teaching American History because talking about King George the III makes Americans who came from Great Britain feel bad
    Maybe in school your teachers were biased but nowadays, teachers teach what happened, and their opinions on it, not that everyone thinks it was good. 


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    @YouFound_Lxam
    Don't make yourself sound stupid now.
    Anyone would sound stupid taking your thoughts to their “logical” conclusions 

    Also, all of the massacres and rapes
    Which class teaches about white massacres and rapes?

    Maybe in school your teachers were biased but nowadays, teachers teach what happened, and their opinions on it, not that everyone thinks it was good.
    You didn’t answer the question. If King George’s conduct makes some people feel bad about their ancestry, should we not teach the American Revolution?
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    Which class teaches about white massacres and rapes?

    Seriously? White liberals didn't learn how to hate white people on their own. Teachers taught them that.
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    Also, all of the massacres and rapes in Black history in Africa are a part of black history 
    Hey, the kid suggested massacres and rapes are relevant topics by race.

    White liberals didn't learn how to hate white people on their own. Teachers taught them that.
    Liberals, of any race, live in reality and aren’t afraid of history or truth, or facts. They are the opposite of fragile conservatives.



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    @YouFound_Lxam
    Whatdoes “base themselves on diversity” mean?  Diversity is simply the reality of the situation; we are a diversecountry.  Are you talking abouttolerance?   We shouldn’t base ourselves on tolerance?Please clarify.
    Base in diversity, means what it says.
    Diversity: the practice or quality of including or involving people from a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds and of different genders, sexual orientations, etc.
    I know what the word diversity means, you can't really be that stupid to think the definition of the word diversity explains what you mean by basing a nation on diversity.  Is it that you don't know what the phrase you typed means?  Are you just saying what you have been told to say, without even knowing what it 
    Now I'm not saying diversity is bad. Diversity is a good thing. But when you base a nation or society on diversity, it leads to seperation from the differences in certain people, because people tend to group together based on something they all have in common. That is how communities and nations form. When you have a certain group of people who believe one thing, and another group of people who believe another thing, and those people don't want to share a common belief, then history has shown that that can lead to big conflicts. 
    "Diversity is a good thing. But when you base a nation or society on diversity" is supposed to mean something,  if you don't know what it means try telling me whata nation based on diversity does differently than a nation that is not based on diversity does.   

    Youkeep referring to this LBGTQ agenda, what exactly is the LGBTQ agenda?   
    Ok now your just asking stupid questions. 
    Ok so what you do in English grammar is you put two words together to form a sentence.

    First find out what the LGBTQ+ community is.
    Then use the definition of agenda.
    Agenda: the underlying intentions or motives of a particular person or group

    LOL, so the people that told you what to say didn't tell you what the LGBTQ agenda was either?  I know what an agenda is, using your own definition tell us what you mean, what are the "underlying intentions or motives" of the LGBTQ community?

    Then you have the phrase: LGBTQ+ agenda. 
    Very good, when you go back and ask your handlers what that means, don't forget to ask them what you meant by "base a nation on diversity too.

    Thispost is all over the place, it sounds like you are saying that instead of allowingthings like Black History Month or the LGBTQ “agenda” we should have freedominstead”?  Isn’t that self-contradicting?
    People have the right to make a black history month sure. But what I am proposing is that doing those things is not a good idea, because it causes division.  
    LOL, and how does black history month cause division?  If black history month causes division because it upsets you, then black history isn't the problem, you are the problem.

    Do youthink Black History Month enforces ideas on you? 
    Oh, most definitely. 
    How?

    OK, andwhen you refer to the LGBTQ agenda, aren’t you defining people by what theybelieve in?
    What I mean by define people, is push yourself and them into somewhat of an extremist group just soley because you don't agree with them. Now when it comes to the LGBTQ+ community, they preach inclusion, which would be ok, if they actually did that. Instead, they say if you don't agree with them, then you are a bad person
    They preach inclusion, which would be OK, but you don't agree with inclusion for the LBGTQ community, and they have the nerve to think you aren't a good person"   Again, the LGBTQ community is not the problem, you are the problem.   The problem is the LGBTQ community does not appreciate your intolerance and desire to exclude them from society, wow, that is one of the most twisted arguments ever, go back and ask your handlers if you got that right.

    So, if a group of people are going to define me by what I believe in, then I am not going to respect that group of people. So certain groups of people need to be defined, because they preach the opposite of freedom.
    I see, so they preach inclusion and tolerance, and since you are opposed to thier inclusion and intolerant of them, they are against your freedom.  You are free to be bigotted, I suppose you are even free to say your bigotry is thier fault, but the rest of us are free to call you a biggot, but nobody took away your right to bigotry.

    So, we should not define people by what they believe in, unless what they believe in involves defining people by what they believe in.
    You are still saying you define the LGBTQ community by what they believe in,  and if you think this is some kind of clever way of projecting your own bigotry onto them, well it isn't clever, it's stupid.  All you have done here is saydiversity upsets you and it's thier fault.
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    @YouFound_Lxam
    No, black history month is there to make white people feel bad about something they didn't do, and give entitled black people more to be feel entitled about.
    LOL, brilliant , you are oppressed by black history month, and also it makes them uppity?