Society made from small communes - Would it be better or worse?

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A small commune is, for example, a group of 20 people.
One such commune would have one leader who manages things like morality and helps those in need and motivates people to do good.

This seems like a representation of an original human society.

So I thought: Why isnt society made up from these small communes today?

Having a big government usually leads to government being disconnected from the people.
In a commune, a leader is in contact with his people in the commune. He knows their problems. He knows their needs. It is much harder for him to become corrupt.

However, today's society has mostly abandoned the communes in favor of "big and distanced government".
There are still some people who live in communes, but it just seems that most people prefer not to live in communes and not to have a leader.

In case of government being abolished, communes would form at random and there would even be a fight for power due to the lack of government.

The communes can instead co-exist with the government.

The original human society was a commune due to the reason that other forms of society were impossible.
When you have 20-30 people alone, they naturally form a commune with a leader.
When you have millions of people, they dont form communes, but rather a society with one big government. It doesnt have much in common with a commune, since the government is far away from the people and it is harder for it to provide help or guidance to the people.

So I thought: Why doesnt the government simply divide people in small communes? Government still stays government, but each commune would have a leader who guides it and helps those in need.

I asked AI for an opinion on the matter.
It said:

"Creating a society of communes where each commune has around 20 people and is led by a single leader is an ambitious goal. It requires a combination of leadership, organization, and commitment from all involved.
First and foremost, the leaders of each commune need to be chosen carefully. They must be respected and trusted by the members of their commune and have the knowledge and experience to lead them. The commune leaders must also be prepared to act as a mediator and facilitator between the members of their commune and the larger society.

Once the communes have been established, it is important to create a structure and system of rules and regulations that all commune members abide by. This should include rules on how decisions are made, how resources are distributed and used, and how disputes are handled.

The commune leaders should also ensure that all commune members have access to the resources and services they need to thrive. This may include access to education, healthcare, employment opportunities, and other essential services.

It is also important to foster a sense of community among the commune members. This can be done through activities such as community service projects, potlucks, and other social events. This will help to create a sense of unity and shared purpose among the commune members.

Finally, the communes should be connected to the larger society. This can be done through trade, alliances, and other forms of collaboration. This will help to ensure that the communes can access the resources they need to thrive while also contributing to the larger society.
By following these steps, it is possible to create a society of communes where each commune has around 20 people and is led by a single leader. This type of society has the potential to create a positive and sustainable future for everyone involved."

Seems like AI approves it, but considers it somewhat hard to do.

In my opinion, its not that its hard to do. Rather, people are unwilling to do it. People dont like the idea of having a leader being there and telling them what to do all the time. So it is a bit hard to figure out how to form these communes naturally in today's society and have them form in a way they  were formed at the start of humanity.

What do you think? Is it better to have lots of these small governments or just one big government? Leave your opinion about what you think is perfect society.
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This is essentially just a subset of charter cities.
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K_Michael,

I would say that its a very small charter city with population of 20.
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Separatism creates conflict.

So inevitably, communes would coalesce into larger groups.

And so on, until we end up with what we have now.

Which is what happened. 

So not much point in starting again.

Especially now that humanity is linked by technology.
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Separatism creates conflict. So inevitably, communes would coalesce into larger groups.
Not if there is a central government keeping groups in order.

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Hmmmmm.



How is that any different to what we have now?


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Right now we dont have lots of small governments to manage things. Instead, we rely on big government to manage healthcare and such.

The idea of state of communes is that there is a central government keeping small governments from abusing power, while small governments manage things like healthcare, housing...ect.

The small governments should, in my opinion, govern only 20 to 100 people. To ensure they are in contact with people.

Currently we have governments in states with over a million people. There is no way that such governments can be in touch with regular people due to the number of people they need to govern.
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Communitarian communities can be successful; they tend to be egalitarian rather than having a leader or leaders, with decisions made on a democratic basis. As small communities I’m not sure they would work well in a modern industrialised society, and probably function better in a simple agricultural environment. Examples could be the old Hippy communes, some of which are still in existence; the other would be the Israeli Kibbutz.