That people are no longer judged by the color of their skin or their sexual orientation or their gender expression or their vaccination status or any of their political opinions (even if you believe in right wing or left wing culture war) or whether or not they want to own an AR 15 without a universal background check or their documentation status but by the content of their character. This applies to companies firing you. We need to make it as easy as possible for people to get hired to minimize the welfare state.
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I might even include this to mean free college (as long as it’s not a useless major like gender studies; that major won’t help you get a job).
I had a dream too, I believe it was about my dad fighting dinosaurs while wearing a unicorn suit in the middle of nowhere.
Still, equality is good.
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@TheUnderdog
I might even include this to mean free college (as long as it’s not a useless major like gender studies; that major won’t help you get a job).
But oh no! That means tax! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU ARE A THIEF SUPPORTER HOW DAAAAAAAaaaAAAARRRRrrrrEEEE youuuuu
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@TheUnderdog
I agree to an extent. You can't change the color of your skin, so yes, I agree with that.
The thing is, when someone makes a decision, that is the content of their character showing.
The sad thing about today, is that we don't even know what a good character, and a bad character is anymore.
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@TheUnderdog
As an alternative to free college, a much less costly alternative, PA's new Governor recently rescinded the college degree requirement for 65,000 state government jobs. I'm surprised it's taken this long, to be honest, as I know plenty of morons with college degrees. Having one (particularly in soft skill fields, we're not talking about medical doctors or accountants or lawyers, we're talking about things like business degrees, polisci degrees, etc.) doesn't demonstrate much of anything beyond you can show up someplace when you're expected to and do the work asked of you. There's a lot of ways to show that that don't cost $400K.
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@YouFound_Lxam
we don't even know what a good character, and a bad character is anymore.
Why don't you tell us what you think a good or bad character is? I bet we agree on a ton of them.
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@RationalMadman
But oh no! That means tax!
Free college costs the typical American 50 cents a day in taxes. But I’m courious as to how far does that argument go? Would we ban public school because taxes fund it? Would we not make COVID vaccines free? I don’t want to fund gender studies majors, but STEM might be okay.
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@YouFound_Lxam
The thing is, when someone makes a decision, that is the content of their character showing.
This only applies to some decisions. Having gay sex or being unvaccinated is very different than murder.
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@ludofl3x
We should get rid of useless majors, but I don’t think math majors or doctor degrees fall in that category. Should useful majors be free to get?
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@TheUnderdog
We should get rid of useless majors, but I don’t think math majors or doctor degrees fall in that category. Should useful majors be free to get?
Who decides what majors are useless and how?
Short answer is no, but for me I don't think college can be free. I'm saying I agree with the PA governor: degrees aren't the leading indicator for competence in many fields.
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@ludofl3x
I support getting rid of the mandate to have a college degree for any job that doesn’t absolutely require one.
Who decides what majors are useless and how?
If the major can pay well when your done with college.
Short answer is no, but for me I don't think college can be free.
Do you think high school degrees should be free?
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@TheUnderdog
If the major can pay well when your done with college.
Be more specific. Educators don't get paid well, according to many. Is that a useless major? And market forces shift all the time.
Do you think high school degrees should be free?
Diplomas are supported by tax dollars today. Colleges are money making businesses. I don't think it can be free because such a change causes a gigantic economic disruption, if you just take all the schools in the US and say "Now you're free of charge!" it's a disaster on about 15 levels. I didn't say "should", I am thinking in practical terms.
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@ludofl3x
Educators don't get paid well, according to many. Is that a useless major?
I don’t believe you should need a college degree to teach high school algebra. In order to teach algebra in my book, you just need to know algebra. So I think if you want to be a teacher, you shouldn’t need college for it.
My main reason for possibly supporting free college is so that poor students that are smart can go to college.
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@TheUnderdog
In order to teach algebra in my book, you just need to know algebra
Teaching is a different skill than knowing. Ted Williams was a terrible hitting coach, for example.
My main reason for possibly supporting free college is so that poor students that are smart can go to college.
Lots of ways to skin this cat, especially when universities are flush with money as it is. And those ways don't need votes to get them done. The goal is noble for sure.
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@ludofl3x
Teaching is a different skill than knowing.
I disagree. I was able to teach my sister trigonometry without a degree in teaching. I know trig, so I could teach my sister who is bad at math.
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@TheUnderdog
I disagree. I was able to teach my sister trigonometry without a degree in teaching. I know trig, so I could teach my sister who is bad at math.
Bro, that's ONE CASE. Are you serious, that's your counterargument to teachers needing degrees?
Educators have to have skills in EDUCATING. They have to understand child development and psychology. They have to learn how to disseminate the information in such a way that it reaches 20 different people.
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@TheUnderdog
I am not anti tax. I was paraphrasing you elsewhere.
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@ludofl3x
If you REALLY need a degree to teach, why is homeschooling very effective (more effective than public school)?
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@TheUnderdog
Honeschool tutors have degrees.
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@RationalMadman
Few homeschooling teachers have degrees in education. Many have degrees in general, but few do for specifically education.
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@TheUnderdog
I'm not sure that's true firstly and secondly there's plenty of specialist teachers who came it that way around too, doing the teaching part of their degree as either a side degree or training course as a freelance tutor of sorts.
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@TheUnderdog
Your original dilemma was what use is a degree if homeschooling is effective. I said that isn't really a valid dilemma as homeschool tutors have degrees.
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@RationalMadman
https://www.air.org/news/press-release/homeschooling-increases-united-states-parents-cite-school-environments-concern states that most homeschooling parents don’t have college degrees, let alone degrees specifically in teaching. People with degrees in teaching usually are public school teachers, so they would be very pro public school and wouldn’t homeschool.
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@TheUnderdog
The tutors they hire do.
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@RationalMadman
I thought the parents were the tutors. That’s how middle class parents can homeschool.
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@TheUnderdog
Oh that is a silly idea but to each their own.