Why didn’t Trump get tanks sent to Ukraine? What a loser!

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Not only is the US sending 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, but he is also sending Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Stryker Armored personnel carriers. Plus Germany and other NATO Allies are sending even more. Remember Russia invaded eastern Ukraine long before Biden was President.


Oh, and let’s not forget Trump was impeached for attempting to extort Ukraine - trying to trade weapons for help with his re-election campaign, in the “perfect phone call”.  He ultimately lost his election, lied and said it was stolen, then encouraged a mob of idiots to raid the Capitol, thus ending our record of a peaceful transfer of power for the first time in American history. What a disgrace!
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I believe the point in 2017 - 2021 was to calm both sides.
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I think Trump just couldn’t or wouldn’t do the work necessary to build coalition support in Europe.
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They literally were so scared of trump they waited until he was out of office to invade. 
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Trump was Putin's puppet, he did what he was told.
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Imagine complaining that Trump didn't start WW3 over a patch of land in Eastern Ukraine filled with ethnic Russian speakers....

Guess military fakers have a pretty cozy life.
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Imagine trying world war 3 with Iran and North Korea.
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You mean the de-escalation? Iranian terror attacks declined and North Korea stopped testing missiles.

Putin is now sending 300k troops to fight Nato aggression. Huge difference.
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Imagine trying world war 3 with Iran and North Korea.

Trump made peace with North Korea, went to North Korea and argued for relaxed approach in the future.

Its the Biden who said we need to get tough again on North Korea.

So we could say: "In the end, Trump calmed the situation, but Biden upset it again".
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Also, imagine complaining that a President did not spend a trillion dollars on a pointless proxy war that does nothing to improve the lives of Americans. Must be nice to gain praise from "educated voters" by throwing their money away...
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Putin is invading Ukraine and giving Finland and Sweden a huge reason to beg to join NATO ASAP. Cheers for your propaganda, Putin is proud.

Trump had to deescalate 2 times he very nearly ignited world war 3. Cheers.
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Trump made peace with North Korea, went to North Korea and argued for relaxed approach in the future.

Its the Biden who said we need to get tough again on North Korea.

So we could say: "In the end, Trump calmed the situation, but Biden upset it 
Rewind a bit. Why did Trump have to visit NK?
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Putin is occupying and fortifying Donetsk; the territory Western Ukraine invaded in violation of the 2014 peace treaty.

Cheers for supporters of the corrupt Ukrainians that violate peace treaties. Clap yourself on the back for supporting war and death over peace.

Clap it hard.
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Putin is invading Ukraine and giving Finland and Sweden a reason....
As long as Finland and Sweden don't break peace deals and start wars, Putin isn't going to care about Finland or Sweden.




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No, he is invading the entire Ukraine and has terrorised the people so much that all children and nearly all women and elderly men have fled.

The men remaining trapped are either going to fight or game ended up captured and forcibly turned into Russian residents at gunpoint if they were there in the already captured regions.

The reason Ukraine has a Nazi movement defending it is that Hitler offered Ukraine independence from Russia, the Ukranian people existed and wanted their own land long before Soviet Russia even.

I do not expect you to know any of this, all you know is your propaganda that you lap up like a good dog and say at least you are not a sheep.
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Peace between a continuing victim and violating bully only benefits one of the two.

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Rewind a bit. Why did Trump have to visit NK?
Trump likes to make deals and to understand the situation.  After he went to North Korea, he talked with Kim in person and he understood the situation better and knew how to make a deal that will satisfy both sides.
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Putin chose tyranny long before the Ukraine war, now he is trying Imperialism. It is in the West's best interest to bleed him out and make it as pyrrhic a victory (if he wins)as possible 

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Trump likes to make deals and to understand the situation.  After he went to North Korea, he talked with Kim in person and he understood the situation better and knew how to make a deal that will satisfy both sides.
Rewind a bit more please.
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Trump had to deescalate 2 times he very nearly ignited world war 3. Cheers.
he literally went to North Korea and shook kim Jung un's hand. You could see the fear in Kim Jung Un's eyes when it happened. Trump's image was of somebody that could nuke anyone at any minute just to satisfy his own ego. Do you really think Kim Jung Un was more likely to attack a president who is willing to eliminate his country from existence? Or do you think that fear would make him less likely to do an action seeing as how it would literally be suicide
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I think that a person like that can only last so long before everyone does what the West has now done to Putin.

I appreciate you admitting Trump gave strong vibes to everybody that he would risk America getting nuked. That was some bold honesty from a typically pseudonaive Republican-in-denial like yourself.
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Rewind a bit more please.
If you are talking about the hostilities that happened before the meeting, it is mainly due to the fact that Trump didnt understand the situation well enough to make a clear judgment. Everyone was saying to him that North Korea is the enemy, but he made an election promise that he will go to North Korea to make a deal and he did.
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Trump didnt understand the situation well enough to make a clear judgment.
You just summed up that man's life.
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They literally were so scared of trump they waited until he was out of office to invade. 
What a dummy. That’s Trump’s line. They didn’t need to invade with fat Trump in office. Trump was doing more to weaken NATO than Putin could ever hope for.

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You mean the de-escalation? Iranian terror attacks declined and North Korea stopped testing missiles.
That’s a lie. North Korea played Trump like a fiddle. A big fat fiddle with a ridiculous comb over.
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I have no words for how retarded that take is. Please do not comment on foreign policy. You know nothing about it. Had you at least been a soldier and personally affected by foreign policy moves I would maybe forgive the ignorance but there is no excuse
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You just summed up that man's life.
No, if you read my argument, you will see that it talks about the specific situation occuring before the meeting, and that it changed after Trump's correct decision to make a meeting. This was Trump fullfilling his promise he made in the elections. You might not remember that promise, but I will never forget it.
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As long as Finland and Sweden don't break peace deals and start wars, Putin isn't going to care about Finland or Sweden.
You are either gaslighting or gaslit by Putin and/or right wing media.

I will assume you are a victim and not a wilful perpetrator.

Read this:


I expect a genuine apology here. 

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I have no words for how retarded that take is. Please do not comment on foreign policy. You know nothing about it. Had you at least been a soldier and personally affected by foreign policy moves I would maybe forgive the ignorance but there is no excuse
Yes, we should listen to high school dropouts who clean pools for a living.

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Hitler also thought he could run on fear based dominance and bully other nations.