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@YouFound_Lxam
I am saying that this generation is growing up in a very inclusive culture, and a non-racist one.
I am definitely not seeing those qualities in you.
White Supremacy does not exist in America today.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Who killed Lincoln? A Democrat.
Who killed JFK? A Democrat.
Who killed MLK? A Democrat.
Who created the KKK? Democrats.
Who Lynched Blacks? Democrats.
Who supported segregation? Democrats.
Who created Jim Crow? Democrats.
Who supported Internment Camps? Democrats.Who were the Confederacy? Democrats.
Do you not understand that when LBJ, a Democrat, decided to go all in on civil rights, the racists Democrats in the Democrat Party joined the Republican Party. This was 100 years after the same (kind of) people left the Republican Party because Lincoln made the decision to end slavery, slowly at first, in this country.
Republicans are the racists now.
It was kind of like the Great Schism in Christianity. You should understand that.
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@YouFound_Lxam
If you take classes like I have on Law Enforcement,
Oh great, we have a future ignorant, racist, church going, gun toting, cop in our midst.
So no, there is no white supremacy in America, and there is no race problem in America. It all has to do with culture.
This is an ignorant statement that runs counter to history and the facts.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Well, I do get a dad.
This is a very strangely worded answer. Are your parents divorced or something?
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@bmdrocks21
Around 1,000 white men were lynched. Was that because of their race?
For stealing horses or cattle? Are you including Clint Eastwood in Hang’em High in that number?
This is the biggest justification for the poster for being racist I've ever seen. What a new low for member of this site. Disgusting
The changing drug arrests for blacks to whites is that blacks are often associated with marijuana which is slowly becoming accepted as legal. Whites like meth, oxy and fentanyl. Very serious and very deadly.
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@Polytheist-Witch
President Joe Biden announced the largest act of clemency in a generation: a mass pardon for people convicted of federal marijuana possession.As far as bold acts of mass clemency go, it won’t lead to many people getting out of prison. In fact, it will lead to none. According to the White House and a report this week from the U.S. Sentencing Commission (USSC) there is no one currently in federal custody for simple possession of marijuana.
The vast majority of people incarcerated (over 80 percent) are for violent offenses.
The amount of people in jail for ANY drug as the sole charge is extremely small.
You're just shooting yourself in the foot if this is your example of systemic racism.
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@Greyparrot
Doesn't surprise me. I know in my little state the policy was basically sent the judges don't put simple possession in prison anymore it's a waste of our time and money. Oxy/ meth is way too big a problem to be focused on some guy smoking a joint. They're still locking up dealers which I think is a bit of bull crap. But eventually it's going to be legalized we have a dispensary the local shopping plaza now. When you look at the effects that some of the drugs that are out there focusing on marijuana makes our country look like a bunch of morons.
Do you not understand that when LBJ, a Democrat, decided to go all in on civil rights, the racists Democrats in the Democrat Party joined the Republican Party. This was 100 years after the same (kind of) people left the Republican Party because Lincoln made the decision to end slavery, slowly at first, in this country.Republicans are the racists now.It was kind of like the Great Schism in Christianity. You should understand that.
This doesn't matter. I can guarantee you that if slavery and race problems weren't as prominent as they were, you wouldn't be having this much of an uproar nowadays. The activists and dumb liberals are taking history and trying to make it seem like they are still being oppressed, but then why do they call Republicans racist, but not democrats, when literally the opposite took place?
Democrats are making problems that don't exist. Like the race problem.
This is an ignorant statement that runs counter to history and the facts.
There is nothing we can do to change history. But history does not amount to now. So, we can't forget history, but we can't base all of our prejudice on it either. Should we enslave Germans because of the holocaust? No, because this new generation had nothing to do with it, just like the new generation of Americans have nothing to do with slavery or segregation. The left is actually the one promoting segregation, with all black dormitories in colleges.
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@thett3
Whites were 45% of violent crime arrests in 2018. Excluding assault, 39%. Black people were 33% and 36%.
Yet black people are only 13% of the population. I’m not sure how this proves your point.
For drug abuse crimes whites were 70% of arrests and blacks were 27%.
The raw data shows 1.234 million arrests for whites and 871k for blacks. I don’t see how that adds up to a 70/27 split.
The “whites use more drugs than blacks” thing doesn’t pass the smell test to me. I’ve seen those studies and they’re all reliant on self reported data, and black people are usually not stupid enough to answer that question honestly.
So, the data says it but you don’t believe the data because you just can’t see how it could be true that black people use drugs at the same rate as white people. Ok.
And what exactly does that mean, black people are not stupid enough to answer the question honestly? So white people are stupid?
But if it’s true it seems to be reflected in the statistics where the white percentage of violent crimes was lower than drug crimes. What exactly is the complaint here?
The complaint is that both groups do the same act at the same rate but one gets arrested for it at a much higher rate. The conclusion from that is impossible to deny, at least in this one respect.
I don’t know exactly what your point is here when it comes to the violent crime aspect of this. The example I gave was simple, your addition seems cherry picked just to obfuscate. We can do this all day. I could speculate that the reason white people get arrested more for violent crimes is because the majority of those are domestic violence disputes, which isn’t surprising because we all know white people are far more likely to call the cops in that situation.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Democrats are making problems that don't exist. Like the race problem.
Yes cultural environment plays a role in all peoples lifes. That doesnt mean you need to be in denial of other truths regarding racism and white supremacy.
..new generation had nothing to do with it..
False, new generations in every nation, culture, race, ethnicity have there share of white supremacy, that, the greater whole --for the most part-- wish were non-existent.
Rodney King.." cant we all just get along?".... Yes and no, depending on the circumstances of need for non-toxic water, non-toxic food, non-toxic clothing, non-toxic shelter, non-toxic neighbors that overstep their bounds of moral respect of others physical and psychological space.
Look around and there is an under current of hate for various reasons that, may be on false narrative of fear, base on anticipation of future scary scenarios where one set of people will be coming after you --black culture has much reason to have felt this than whites--- then, add a real set of events like shortage of money, resources of water, clothes, food shelter and sanity, then what are we left with.
Dog eat dog and rat eat rat societies. The man who stole McDonalds from McDonalds brothers was his comment. ' it is not a dog it dog world out there, it is a rat eat rat world '....and this is his coming out of the 50's mentality of growth prosperity in USA.
My original calculations for end-date of humanity was 2015, so since I had been giving or taking 50 years to my 2232 end date, I thought maybe I should go back and say the same for 2015. Give or take 50 years.
2015 minus 50 = 1965 ergo 5 years after Cuban missile crises.
1990 we pull back from brink of M.A.Destruction
2015 plus 50 years = 2065 and that would be almost exactly 100 years since the Cuban missile crisis.
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@ebuc
Yes cultural environment plays a role in all peoples lifes. That doesnt mean you need to be in denial of other truths regarding racism and white supremacy.
I'm not in denial of what happened in history, nor am I in denial that some people today are racists. But the vast majority of people in the USA are not racist or white supremacists. People who try to put the label of white supremist on white people are in fact the racists, because they are literally saying, your skin color makes you this kind of a person.
False, new generations in every nation, culture, race, ethnicity have there share of white supremacy, that, the greater whole --for the most part-- wish were non-existent.
You really think this new generation in America is racist? Come on.
Look around and there is an under current of hate for various reasons that, may be on false narrative of fear, base on anticipation of future scary scenarios where one set of people will be coming after you --black culture has much reason to have felt this than whites--- then, add a real set of events like shortage of money, resources of water, clothes, food shelter and sanity, then what are we left with.
You just proved my point. It's a culture problem, not a race problem.
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@Double_R
Whites were 45% of violent crime arrests in 2018. Excluding assault, 39%. Black people were 33% and 36%.
Yet black people are only 13% of the population. I’m not sure how this proves your point.
His point centers on the fact that police objectively have minimal discretion if any when addressing violent crime. There is no credible study anywhere that shows police are letting violent people commit crimes simply because they are not black.
What this means through process of elimination is that there are other major factors driving this statistic, such as the often ignored statistic of what happens to children of all skin colors who have no father in the home and are born out of wedlock. This is a cultural problem that rarely gets addressed in the black communities precisely because of the pervasive race-baiting deflections. While the commonplace race-baiting is a profitable endeavor for those promoting it, the lives of the affected children are in no way helped by such an evil practice.
So, the data says it but you don’t believe the data because you just can’t see how it could be true that black people use drugs at the same rate as white people. Ok.
That is clearly not what he said. He said he was skeptical because it relied on self-reporting.
The complaint is that both groups do the same act at the same rate
This is a claim backed up by zero evidence. There are clearly cultural inequalities between all ethnic groups in america.
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@Double_R
In response to "Whites were 45% of violent crime arrests in 2018. Excluding assault, 39%. Black people were 33% and 36%" you wrote:
Yet black people are only 13% of the population. I’m not sure how this proves your point.
My point is that the police and "the system" have basically no discretion for arresting and prosecuting people who commit violent crimes or serious property crimes. If someone is brutally assaulted, raped, murdered...it doesn't matter if the perpetrator good ole boy, the system must press charges. Murder is the ultimate litmus test for violent crime because there's a body on the ground that has to be reckoned with and black people have long been 50% of known offenders of murders, which has increased to 60% in the post-Floyd years. If whites committed the same numbers of crimes per capita but the police were somehow just allowing white men to victimize people (who would mostly be white) with aggravated assaults, rapes, muggings etc. the millions of unprosecuted crimes per year would create widespread disorder in white areas that's readily apparent. It's obvious that there aren't constant shootings and assaults happening in Karen's neighborhood where people pay $500,000 to live.
The point is that the percentage of arrestees by race is more or less a mirror image of the percentage of perpetrators by race. This circles back to the broader point that "white supremacy" or "systemic racism" are not likely explanations for what causes the disparity in incarceration rates, but instead the difference in incarceration rates is caused by who commits crime and who doesn't, and this differential is large enough that even a very high top 1% income doesn't erase it. A system of white supremacy that excludes people like African immigrants, asian people, etc is a less credible explanation than a cultural problem.
The raw data shows 1.234 million arrests for whites and 871k for blacks. I don’t see how that adds up to a 70/27 split.
No, the table is not super user friendly on mobile so that's probably what happened. There were 1.2m arrests total 817k for whites/white hispanics. 333k for blacks. Recall that simple drug possession is the most serious offense for only 4% of incarcerated people. It isn't the explanation for the disparity even your claims about drug use are true. The cause of the disparity in incarceration rates is that one group is overrepresented in terms of who commits violent crime or serious property crime and one is underrepresented
And what exactly does that mean, black people are not stupid enough to answer the question honestly? So white people are stupid?
Yes lol. Very. Most naive people on Earth by far. If you find me a study that doesn't rely on self reported data and instead is something like a randomized sample of urine or hair that is drug tested and shows that whites were more likely to be habitual drug users I would accept it
I don’t know exactly what your point is here when it comes to the violent crime aspect of this. The example I gave was simple, your addition seems cherry picked just to obfuscate. We can do this all day. I could speculate that the reason white people get arrested more for violent crimes is because the majority of those are domestic violence disputes, which isn’t surprising because we all know white people are far more likely to call the cops in that situation.
White people probably are more likely to call the cops in a violent situation, but you have it backwards. Black people represent FEWER arrests for drug crimes than they do for violent crimes. I'm doing the exact opposite of obfuscating, my argument is simply that the statistics for arrests are the way that they are because the people arrested are the ones doing those crimes and that there is not a conspiracy that lets whites off the hook
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@PREZ-HILTON
If you reach for a gun and are white (or look like you are), the cop isn't going to go "well this guy is white, I better let him kill me" no they defend themselves
We'll, that's just it, racism is rooted in fear. A cop who sees someone he is interacting with as 'other' is going to be more likely to perceive an attack whether that is the case or not.
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@SkepticalOne
Go find a white skinned buddy and tell him to make a life threatening move at a cop....for science of course...let us know how it turns out!
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@Greyparrot
You've missed the point. A white person and a black person should (and probably do) receive the same treatment for threatening acts. Where the difference lies is that a black person that has been 'other-ed' is going to be more often perceived as threatening regardless of the act.
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@SkepticalOne
Where the difference lies is that a black person that has been 'other-ed' is going to be more often perceived as threatening regardless of the act.
How do you know how others perceive others? I would be fascinated to know.
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@YouFound_Lxam
How do you know how others perceive others?
Intuition informed by explicit comments, verbal cues, facial expressions, body language, etc. People and animals have been doing this for eons.
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@SkepticalOne
It's a neat theory but it isn't supported by anything. There are studies that show officers are less likely to act on bias and this one that shows they are not more likely to shoot black people than non white cops
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-white-police-officers-are-not-more-likely-to-shoot-minority-suspe
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@SkepticalOne
Just so you might have some context here, 60 out of the 73 cops killed last year were white.
Offenders were distributed evenly black and white. Seems to me Cops are not allowing any race the advantage when it comes to getting killed.
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@Greyparrot
Just so you might have some context here, 60 out of the 73 cops killed last year were white.
I'm not impressed by this. Most of the population - and by extension most cops - is white. It stands to reason most cops killed would be white.
Seems to me Cops are not allowing any race the advantage when it comes to getting killed.
That speaks to equal (mis)treatment of police by suspects. It is not true the other way around: black people are at a disadvantage in encounters with police.
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@SkepticalOne
black people are at a disadvantage in encounters with police.
Not really though. Blacks had just as much opportunity to kill a cop as a white criminal. For your theory to hold water, cops would be allowing far fewer blacks to shoot and kill them.
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@PREZ-HILTON
This doesn't negate my position. Someone who is seen as an other is going to be more likely to be perceived as a threat. A black cop can 'other' a black suspect.
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@Double_R
Whites were 45% of violent crime arrests in 2018. Excluding assault, 39%. Black people were 33% and 36%.Yet black people are only 13% of the population. I’m not sure how this proves your point.
It proves his point because less than 1.5% of that 13% are the ones disproportionally committing all those violent crimes.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Added 01.23.23 03:11AMThis is the biggest justification for the poster for being racist I've ever seen. What a new low for member of this site. Disgusting
Oh honey, you are the ONLY racist bigot on this forum.
All i did in #90 was reply in kind - a tit for tat - and nothing more. Way to spin it into something it clearly is/was not.
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@Greyparrot
For your theory to hold water, cops would be allowing far fewer blacks to shoot and kill them.
That's not true. Let's say Michelle prefers blondes, but is asked out equally by brunettes and blondes. This means she is more attracted to blondes, but blondes and brunettes both find her attractive. Using the same reasoning, cops are more likely to kill blacks, but are equally threatened by blacks and whites.
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@SkepticalOne
GreyparrotJust so you might have some context here, 60 out of the 73 cops killed last year were white.I'm not impressed by this. Most of the population - and by extension most cops - is white. It stands to reason most cops killed would be white.
Most of the population is white, yes. As such, it stands to reason most violent crime would be committed by whites - but it’s not. Approximately less than 1.5% of the 13% black population are the ones committing over 50% of the violent crimes in this country.
Seems to me Cops are not allowing any race the advantage when it comes to getting killed.That speaks to equal (mis)treatment of police by suspects. It is not true the other way around: black people are at a disadvantage in encounters with police.
Police interactions are dictated by the citizen contacted. Police have to be hyper vigilant around black suspects given the fact that they are more prone to violent behavior than whites, as indicated by the above fact regarding violent criminality. Cops are more than 18x more likely to be shot and killed by an armed black suspect than the small 3x more likely a black person will be shot (not necessarily killed) by a cop. Blacks also have a higher propensity to feel entitled to question why they are being stopped which turns into denialism, then being verbally combative, then refusing to follow lawful orders, then resisting arrest, and then finally trying to cause imminent harm to the cop. Whites do not typically act this way. Unless they are trying to commit suicide by cop.
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@YouFound_Lxam
The left is actually the one promoting segregation, with all black dormitories in colleges.
Offering all black dormitories is NOT promoting segregation you idiot. That’s like saying having an all girls school is promoting sexism. Do you understand that marginalized communities and groups get to decide how they want to live? They don’t need a 15 yo white Christian boy to tell them what is best for them. These dorms are being offered as a choice after some black students expressed a preference for them.