This is why I support nationalizing the healthcare industry.

Author: TheUnderdog 1 year ago

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TheUnderdog

01.14.2023 06:46PM

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/us-tax-dollars-funded-every-new-pharmaceutical-in-the-last-decade.

I don’t think it’s fair; the US government spent the money needed to create these drugs, so the US government should own the patents and not private companies. But I guess it’s okay if healthcare companies post BLM in their profile.

I don’t care if you post BLM in your profile; you shouldn’t steal from the taxpayer. The US government paid for the production of the drug patents; we the people should own them, not corporations.

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01.14.2023 10:07PM

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I'm opposed to patents on lifesaving medications in general. The government doesn't deserve $1000 a month for every diabetic patient any more than Eli Lilly does.

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01.15.2023 03:12AM

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If you weren’t allowed to get parents for lifesaving medicine, nobody would want to produce lifesaving medicine (unless a government worker, but that requires free healthcare which I don’t support). I support profit free healthcare, but not free healthcare. Pay the $1 per 100 pills it costs to get and make insulin.

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01.15.2023 05:11AM

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They will still make money, they just won't have a monopoly on the production. If any licensed company can produce the drug, then the free market will bring prices down to a reasonable amount.

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01.15.2023 05:26AM

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The private sector didn’t pay for the development of the patents. So they should have NO right to use the patents to make money.

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01.15.2023 05:34AM

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I think there's something to the government incentivizing private pharmaceutical research, especially if it avoids the issue of the government deciding it doesn't want to share with other countries. Not sure if that has actually been a problem historically though. And they should be able to turn a profit, just like with any other product, but the current exorbitant prices are unacceptable.

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01.15.2023 03:48PM

The US will remain a shithole posing as developed until it can give its poor, no matter how poor, healthcare. It really is that simple.

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01.15.2023 05:34PM

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@K_Michael

If the government funds the research, the government should own the patents because that’s taxpayer money, not the company’s money.

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01.15.2023 05:36PM

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Westernite argument, but I disagree.

With so many people wanting to move to the US, we aren’t a shithole. Latin America is a shithole, and many of those countries provide UHC for their citizens.

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01.15.2023 05:57PM

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Actually no, they do not, generally. Only 3 do.

Nothing in your deflection justifies the US being so cruel to its poor.

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01.15.2023 08:21PM

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If the government funds the research, the government should own the patents

If patents continue to be the reason the medicine is so expensive, then they shouldn't be able to patent it at all.

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01.15.2023 09:21PM

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If patents continue to be the reason the medicine is so expensive, then they shouldn't be able to patent it at all.

Exactly. Good business practices should be its own reward (and profit), not crony patents. Besides, you don't need a US patent system for companies to have NDA's and private corporate espionage security.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/consumer-group-says-drugmakers-abuse-us-patent-system-keep-prices-high-2022-09-16/

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01.15.2023 09:40PM

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Actually no, they do not, generally. Only 3 do.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/ states about half of them do.

Nothing in your deflection justifies the US being so cruel to its poor.

Middle class Americans should not be forced to pay for the health bills of the lower class. Just like middle class suburban families shouldn’t be forced to adopt poor children from rural West Virginia and Harlem no matter how likely that child is going to die without someone adopting them.

I support defunding the adoption system and anyone that complains about it can have an orphan shipped to their door. Virtue signaling is all talk and no action. Match your talk with action. If you think foster care should merit ANY funding, adopt a child. Don’t tread on taxpayers!

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01.15.2023 09:42PM

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@K_Michael

The parents make the owner the sole producer of the drug. The government doesn’t have to make a profit. If it costs 50 cents to make a serving of insulin it should cost only 50 cents to buy a serving of insulin.

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01.16.2023 01:49AM

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Alright dude, I hope you can look in the eyes of someone dying of cancer or with a crooked arm that had to heal wrong due to lack of healthcare and justify your assholery.

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01.16.2023 01:49AM

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If you do not support abortion and also hate foster care funding, you are literally leaving babies for dead.

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01.16.2023 03:44AM

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I think that profit is an excellent motivator for companies to continue develop new drugs. If we remove that incentive, new pharmaceutical research will go down. You could argue that the government could be more directly responsible for new research, perhaps even creating a new division of government dedicated to it, but the FDA already takes years and sometimes decades to approve drugs as it is, I don't want these people in charge of any more of the process than they already are.

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01.23.2023 10:16PM

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Alright dude, I hope you can look in the eyes of someone dying of cancer or with a crooked arm that had to heal wrong due to lack of healthcare and justify your assholery.

This would be like me saying,

I hope you can look into the eyes of a starving African orphan who hasn’t had anything to eat in a week that you would not adopt him if you had the funds to do so.

Guilt tripping does not justify theft.

If you do not support abortion and also hate foster care funding, you are literally leaving babies for dead.

If you care so much about other people’s kids in the foster care system, adopt one of them. There are around 100,000 foster kids in the system and about 100 million social democrats in the US. If just .1% of social democrats adopted a kid, foster care gets emptied just like that. Surely out of 1000 random social democrats, at least 1 is able to adopt a child.

In Underdog land, I want to ban abortions and keep the abortion clinics open. This means I want the penalty for abortion to be your wages get garnished $11 a day for a year and the revenue goes to sponsor a starving American child, getting that child out of poverty. Both parents of the aborted baby pay this fine. If you take a life from abortion, you should be required to save a life by some other method.

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01.23.2023 10:17PM

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@K_Michael

The EU develops lifesaving drugs at a comparable rate to the US.

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01.23.2023 10:32PM

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@TheUnderdog

Are you suggesting EU based pharmaceutical companies don't make money?

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01.23.2023 10:47PM

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@K_Michael

They make money, but it’s from the government; not taxpayers.

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01.23.2023 10:54PM

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??? Where do you think the government's money comes from?

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01.24.2023 12:14AM

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I should say the government uses public money to develop new medicines in both the EU and the USA. But the EU has the government own the parents whereas in America, we have corporate welfare. It shouldn’t be like that. If you use government money to make something, the government should own what you produce.

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