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Equality is downsizing religions, as parents refuse to downsize their love for an LGBTQ+ or female child.
 
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Parents want to love their LGBTQ+ kids without prejudice or negative discrimination.
 
I see Christianity and all religiosity shrinking. Churches closing, etc, while new Temples and Mosques of the wisdom seeking genre, --- as opposed to God seeker, --- are popping up to replace the God seeker religions.
 
This intelligent trend is to put humans and universality and inclusion over the Gods we have created, --- is nice to see as it returns us to a modernized version of the ancient and better days.
 
Demographics and stats are clear that the God religions of today will either have to adapt to a more secular view, --- and especially stop preaching --- that a parent has to downsize their love for a LGBTQ+ child.
 
Gnostic Christianity and Laïcité are the future, as we already disavow such vile evil.
 
We curse words like --- and the men are a degree above them [women] and he will rule over you  [women], etc.
 
 
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Traditional Christianity does not require downsizing love for LGBT+ people, or anyone else. In fact, it expressly forbids it. Christians are called to love others as ourselves, with no exceptions.
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Don't even try to make religion compatibly with the ideology of leftism, it doesn't work
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I agree that the Christian theology should be based on the Golden Rule.

In this case, homophobia and misogyny has Christians doing the opposite, by design.

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Atheist churches belie your thinking.

The misguided right wing does more harm than the left.

Do not make such stupid statements, as religions continue to shrink.

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In this case, homophobia and misogyny has Christians doing the opposite, by design.
Whose design?
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Immoral leadership.

As we speak, they have their vile churches preach for the inequality of souls, based on what the body does.

Even, according to their belief system, the bodies are doing what their God given souls and God created them to do.

All who are not universalists are denying their own God's ability to create perfection.

They have no real faith in their God and cannot argue his way.

All they have ever had was inquisitions and jihads.

Ask anyone in the better religions that the Satanic ones tried to destroy. 

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Immoral leadership.
Ideas are true or false regardless of the morality of the leaders. If traditional Christianity is true, then it is the leaders who should be rejected, not Christianity. If it is false, then Christianity should be rejected, even if the leaders are moral.
As we speak, they have their vile churches preach for the inequality of souls, based on what the body does.
While there are doubtless some churches that preach that, the vast majority do not.
Even, according to their belief system, the bodies are doing what their God given souls and God created them to do.
Sin is natural and the flesh is inclined toward it. However, that is a result of the fall. It is not God's intention.
All who are not universalists are denying their own God's ability to create perfection.

They have no real faith in their God and cannot argue his way.
Are they denying God's ability to create perfection, or man's willingness to accept God's perfection?
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@SirAnonymous
Sin is natural and the flesh is inclined toward it. However, that is a result of the fall. It is not God's intention.
All who are not universalists are denying their own God's ability to create perfection.

They have no real faith in their God and cannot argue his way.
Are they denying God's ability to create perfection, or man's willingness to accept God's perfection?

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To your first.
You are saying that humans planned their own fall.

Was Satan, the female who made us fall, not created to do that perfect sin creating thing in your God's plan?

Or was the initiation of sin all Yahweh? 

To your last.
I do not deny the all creative forces around us as evolving perfection.

It is the believers who would divide and hate much of that perfection.

They pray for Jesus and his own inquisition and mass murdering.

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You are saying that humans planned their own fall.
I wouldn't say that it was planned, but it was the result of our own actions.
Was Satan, the female who made us fall, not created to do that perfect sin creating thing in your God's plan?

Or was the initiation of sin all Yahweh? 
Firstly, whenever Satan is referred to in the Bible, he is referred to as a he, not a she. Secondly, I do not think that Satan was created to cause sin, nor that Yahweh initiated sin. Rather, God gave both Satan and humans free will. They chose to do evil, causing the fall.
It is the believers who would divide and hate much of that perfection.

They pray for Jesus and his own inquisition and mass murdering.
While such people exist, they are a small minority. However, regardless of their numbers, I don't see what your point is. The behavior of people who claim to be Christians has nothing to do with whether Christianity is true, nor does it have anything to do with whether universalism is true.
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DocFrank.

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "Don't even try to make religion compatibly with the ideology of leftism, it doesn't work"

Since Jesus is the number one “Socialist,", then your quote above goes severely wanting as usual.  If you follow Jesus, then you  follow Jesus' SOCIALIST teachings like are shown below!


1.  "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21).   J

2. Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."  (Mark 10: 21-25)

3.  "And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need." (Acts 2:44-45)

4.  “For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I COMMAND YOU, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’ (Deuteronomy 15:11) 


Dr.Franklin, if you actually  READ your bible, instead of using it as a door stop, you would readily see that Jesus the Christ was the biggest SOCIALIST LEFT WINGER known to any religion, bar none!

Dr. Franklin, you are still Bible dumb.

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Charity not accepting LGBT
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 I do not think that Satan was created to cause sin, nor that Yahweh initiated sin. Rather, God gave both Satan and humans free will. They chose to do evil, causing the fall.
This raises many questions.

  • If not to cause sin, what was Satan created for, and by whom?
  • Did god know that once he gave humans free will, they'd choose to sin? 

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I am attempting to see the reasons why you think this is bad, but seemingly can't find your point.

Are you trying to justify that equality is bad because it damages the already-growing base of religion, or what?
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@SirAnonymous
"I wouldn't say that it was planned, but it was the result of our own actions."

Do you think A & E should have remained ignorant of all knowledge, even reproduction and knowing they were naked?

You do recognize that the tree of knowledge is the tree of all possible knowledge. Right?

Do you think Adam did the right thing?

If not, why do you Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?

As to Satan being male, go check the Vatican Expulsion painting.

If you think those breasts on Satan belong on a man. do not return.

In evolutionary terms, women are our prize and the source of all human against human evil.

They make men compete and create losers. Those losers are the evil part of evolution, but without it, we go extinct.

Embrace that evil, as it is in a big good envelope.

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@SirAnonymous
"Christianity is true, nor does it have anything to do with whether universalism is true."

What does true mean to you here?

True that Christianity is a immoral religion?

True that universalism is the way to think?

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Do you think A & E should have remained ignorant of all knowledge, even reproduction and knowing they were naked?

You do recognize that the tree of knowledge is the tree of all possible knowledge. Right?
No, it wasn't the tree of all possible knowledge. It was specifically the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Do you think Adam did the right thing?
No.
If not, why do you Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?
Eh? I've never once heard anyone say that Adam's sin was a happy fault. Even the most diehard Calvinists don't say that. As for being necessary to God's plan, what does that mean? I've can't remember even a single person say that the fall was a good thing. God's plan to redeem the world from the fall brings about a lot of good things, but that does not mean that the fall itself was a good thing.
As to Satan being male, go check the Vatican Expulsion painting.

If you think those breasts on Satan belong on a man. do not return.
Paintings are not authoritative, and all the paintings in the Vatican came after the Bible. The Bible refers to Satan as a he. If a painter in the Vatican painted Satan as a she, then the painter was wrong.
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What does true mean to you here?

True that Christianity is a immoral religion?

True that universalism is the way to think?
Neither. By true, I mean in correspondence with reality. If Christianity is true, that means that the God of the Bible is real, the God's Son Jesus lived as a man, died, and rose again, that there is a heaven and a hell, etc. If universalism is true, then that means that everyone will escape the punishment for their sins and live forever in heaven.
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The earliest life forms we know of were microscopic organisms (microbes) that left signals of their presence in rocks about 3.7 billion years old.
Why are we even talking about the concept of God?
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  • If not to cause sin, what was Satan created for, and by whom?
Satan was created by God. What for? The Bible doesn't say.
  • Did god know that once he gave humans free will, they'd choose to sin? 
God is omniscient, so yes.
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I am attempting to see the reasons why you think this is bad, but seemingly can't find your point.

Are you trying to justify that equality is bad because it damages the already-growing base of religion, or what?

Growing?

My stats show shrinking.

So do the many empty churches on the market.

I have been promoting equality and you read the opposite.

Reading comprehension may not be your forte.

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DL
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Satan was created by God. What for? The Bible doesn't say.
  • Did god know that once he gave humans free will, they'd choose to sin? 
God is omniscient, so yes.

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Strange that you know so much about God, yet hide behind the bible on questions.

Did God create Satan to help him or hinder him?

Is she the Loyal Opposition or evil?

The bible does call her and Jesus Light bearers.

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Satan was created by God. What for? The Bible doesn't say.
What do you think?

  • Did god know that once he gave humans free will, they'd choose to sin? 
God is omniscient, so yes.
So then why did he give us free will if he knew we'd sin and he was going to get super mad about it?
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"Why are we even talking about the concept of God?"

Because of the way too many God believers who are abusing LGBTQ+ women, --- as a normal part of their vile lives.

Know and fight your enemy is why, as that is the moral thing to do. 

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Strange that you know so much about God, yet hide behind the bible on questions.
How so? The Bible says several times that God is omniscient. I didn't come up with that because I know so much about God. The things I know about God come from the Bible.
Did God create Satan to help him or hinder him?
Well, when God finished creating everything, He said that it was good. So when he was originally created, Satan was not evil. So I suppose the answer is to help God.
Is she the Loyal Opposition or evil?
Satan is now evil, but was not originally evil. And again, Satan is a he.
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Please do not believe that free will from God B.S.

Here are the quotes that prove our friend either does not know the bible or is a liar.

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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
 
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ
 
Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
 
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
 
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
 
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
 
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
 
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
 
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
  
What is your choice of those two options?
 
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
 
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
 
What do you think is the truth?
 
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
 
Regards
DL
 

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Satan was created by God. What for? The Bible doesn't say.
What do you think?
My guess is that God created Satan because He wanted to have beings with free will to choose whether or not to worship Him. Or possibly God created him because He knew that, despite Satan's efforts to the contrary, Satan's actions would eventually lead to God's glory. But I cannot say for certain.
  • Did god know that once he gave humans free will, they'd choose to sin? 
God is omniscient, so yes.
So then why did he give us free will if he knew we'd sin and he was going to get super mad about it?
Well, it would be rather pointless to create beings without free will. I can write a computer program to make it say "SirAnonymous is the greatest", but it would be a waste of time. So if one is going to create beings, then they should have free will. But why would God create beings with free will if He knew they would sin? Again, I can't mindread God, but I would guess that, because He is omniscient, He knew that in the long run it would be a good thing, even though it would bring about a lot of bad things in the short run.*

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Satan is a he.

Satan is a she, logically, naturally and in the Vatican art.

Did you look at the Expulsion painting?

If those are a man's breasts to your eyes, get some glasses.

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Here are the quotes that prove our friend either does not know the bible or is a liar.
I am not a liar, and I have read the Bible many times. I am well aware of the debate between free will vs. determinism. There are many Christians on both sides of the question, and many debates about which side the Bible supports. It is quite disingenuous to pretend that it is impossible to know the Bible well and believe that it supports the idea of free will.
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Satan is a she, logically, naturally and in the Vatican art.

Did you look at the Expulsion painting?

If those are a man's breasts to your eyes, get some glasses.

Again, paintings are not authoritative. If we are talking about the Satan as described in the Bible, then Satan is a he. If you are talking about what you think Satan should be based on what seems logical and natural to you, then that is a different conception of Satan than the Satan described in the Bible.