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@secularmerlin
You use words like noumenon, and you don't know what nous means?
Maybe you should stop using Greek words simply because some godless philosopher uses them.
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@janesix
I see very clearly that The Ultimate Reality exists, and so does anyone with clean intellect.
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@Mopac
So you've never seen God, never experienced God, yet you are a theist. Why?
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@Mopac
What does common sense have to do with being pure of heart and what does either have to do with knowledge, truth, reality, noumana or any other subject we have so far discussed?
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@janesix
I just said I see very clearly that The Ultimate Reality exists.
I am more certain of God existing that literally anything else existing.
I already told you how to see for yourself, and the same applies to anyone. Purify your heart. Cleanse the nous. Undefile your intellect.
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@secularmerlin
You can't admit that The Ultimate Reality exists, so you are in effect, denying the truth itself. You admit that your standards are arbitrary.
I have nothing to say to you except repent and turn away from your wickedness.
And don't bother asking me what any of that means, because if you honestly cared to know, you would know by now. We have talked at great length for many months now.
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@Mopac
All standards are subjective. Including yours.
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@Mopac
If I understand your subjective standard correctly then we are equally wicked and no amount of repentance will make us anything else. You have proposed an unrealistic standard.
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@Mopac
I didn't ask how to see God. I asked if you have. a very simple question, with a very simple answer.
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@secularmerlin
It is true we are all wrong.
It is true that God is right.
If you can't admit the later, you are not really admitting the former.
You can't say that The Ultimate Reality exists, which is another way of saying, "There is a chance that even when I am wrong, I am really right, because if there is no right, I'm just as right as anything."
So no, there is a huge difference between what I am saying and what you God deniers are saying. We are definitely not on the same level. You all doubt there being reality as it truly is.
And it doesn't matter how many times I say that I am not talking about my understanding, the lot of you try to take down what I am talking about to something that is my understanding. You do this, because that is all you can understand.
I am not talking about my understanding or conception of God. I am talking about what God really is. The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, and obviously a mental construct does not fulfill that definition.
The reason there is so much floundering about when it comes to this is very simplle and clear to me.
None of you actually love The Truth.
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@janesix
What about me saying that "I see very clearly that The ultimate Reality exists" doesn't conclusively answer the question?
What about "I am more certain of God existing that literally anything else existing." Doesn't conclusively answer the question?
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@Mopac
I have nothing to say to you except repent and turn away from your wickedness.And don't bother asking me what any of that means, because if you honestly cared to know, you would know by now. We have talked at great length for many months now.
Don't be silly, of course we understand. The statement in bold shows that you're just another Abrahamic evangelical fundamentalist with one difference, you've decided to pour through the dictionary and falsely equivocate a number of other words for God and accuse everyone else of being stupid, wicked and a whole array of apologetic name calling over the past months who aren't interested in playing your childish word games.
That about sum it up, Mo?
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@Mopac
Yes or no answers my question. Why are you obfuscating?
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@Mopac
If we are all wrong then you do not know what is true. I went ahead and read the rest of your post but I could have stopped there since you are wrong. On a side not I'm not sure what you mean by love the truth but you cannot know what I do or do not love.
That's right see and here this god or that god, or you are wrong, lol.
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@secularmerlin
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@Goldtop
It doesn't matter if the entire world denies The Ultimate Reality, popularity doesn't make truth.
The Ultimate Reality exists, and no amount of denying. the changes the facts.
No amount of sophistry and rhetoric is going to change The Truth.
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@Mopac
No one here is arguing that there is no truth. We just don't believe you know any.
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@secularmerlin
Could be wrong of course, but I think its evident that mopac does not intend to convey them self as a gateway to truth.
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@Plisken
He does however persulist in making unsupportable claims about it.
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@Mopac
LOL
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@secularmerlin
I have very little to do with it.
You can't admit that The Ultimate Reality exists.
In order to avoid this, you attach it to me, and make what you think I believe or am saying your straw man.
Well, The Ultimate Reality exists, nothing else makes sense, and there is no good reason to deny this or even be in doubt.
Can you say, "The Ultimate Reality exists"?
If it helps, erase me from your mind and admit what everyone deep down knows is the evident Truth.
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@Plisken
No, I certainly am not. And because these people like to argue, which is probably why they joined this website, they have adopted the indefensible position that there is no truth, and despite their claims to the contrary, they are lying if they can't confess that The Ultimate Reality exists.
And we all know that The Ultimate Reality exists, so denying it is preposterous and serves no other purpose than to gender strife.
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@Mopac
Says you but according to you, you lie ergo it doesn't exist.The Ultimate Reality exists
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@disgusted
All men are liars, eh?
You say The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist.
I say The Ultimate Reality exists.
What is true?
The Ultimate Reality, and what any of us say is irrelevant to that being The Truth.
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@Mopac
No one here is arguing that there is no truth. We just don't believe you know any.
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@Mopac
But you sayI say The Ultimate Reality exists.
All men are liars
Therefore it doesn't exist.
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@secularmerlin
Then say "The Ultimate Reality exists" and we can be done.
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@Mopac
I will say that if you say "my claims about reality are unsupported by the facts". You might cap it off with a nice "there is no way to confirm that anything is eternal".
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@secularmerlin
Absolutely not.
Instead I will say that my claims are irrelevant, because The Ultimate Reality exists whether mine or any one elses beliefs about it are true or not.
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@Mopac
Well this discussion is not about what exists it is about what can and cannot be known so if your beliefs don't matter I'm not sure why you are so reluctant to say "I don't know".