The Trump Tax Cut of 2017 primarily benefited Corporations and the Wealthy

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A guy like you would have no chance without government. You would starve.
Lol, people starved during recessions/depressions because they wanted to get rich quick without working. That kind of mentality weakens the stability of the country.

FTX for example.
Thanks for helping me to amend my statement.

Productive people should be rewarded instead of lazyass socialists and Ponzi cultists. A lesson people will learn after this upcoming massive recession is over.
Kinda like those 2000 people that quit Twitter when they found out you had to do this thing called "work"


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No, not true. Because the 2017 Tax Law was not anywhere near a flat tax cut.
Nor did I say it was. What I said was that the argument that website used compared absolute numbers to determine the fairness of a percentage cut, which is an unsound argument. You cannot compare absolute to relative numbers.
They cut the tax brackets from 6 to 3 - the top tax bracket got the biggest cut eliminating the 39.6 bracket

They gave enormous tax deductions to pass through income benefiting millionaire and billionaire business owners.

They limited the deduction for state and local taxes to  $10,000. A deliberate attack on Blue state taxpayers. In California a basic 1500 sqft ranch home costs over I million dollars and comes with a 10,000 property tax payment. That means all your state income tax is not deductible. 

The eliminated personal exemptions - that’s $4400 per person in a family. So if you have just one kid, the doubling of the standard deduction was completely wiped out by the loss of personal exemptions.

They eliminated all work related deductions including the paying of union dues

The biggest tax cut went to C corporations cutting the rate from 35 to 21%

The Tax law was a windfall for corporations and wealthy people. Modest income homes got a small tax cut. Everyone else got squat or a tax increase.
As I said, there could be an argument that the tax law benefited the rich more than the poor. You have now made such an argument. What I said was that the argument you presented in the original post was not such an argument.
Oh, Trump had a trillion dollar deficit long before anyone ever heard the word Covid. So what caused his massive deficit?
Actually he didn't. It didn't pass $1 trillion until 2020. But that's nitpicking. It was a trillion if we round up. So let's take a look at the federal budget in 2018.
$3.3 Trillion revenue from taxes.

Spending
Social Security: $982 billion
Medicare: $582 billion
Medicaid: $389 billion
Interest on debt: $325 billion
Defense: $623 billion
Nondefense: $639 billion
From CBO, nondefense is "transportation, education, veteran's benefits, health, housing, assistance, and other activities."
Other: $570 billion
Other is "unemployment compensation, federal civilian and military retirement, some veteran's benefits, the earned income tax credit, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, and other mandatory programs."

The total deficit (from the CBO link) was $779 billion.

So the answer to your question of what caused the deficit was about 1/3 the tax cut and 2/3 overspending.
We are talking about the 2017 Tax Law and how it’s cuts for corporations and the wealthy caused the deficit to top 1 trillion.

Your answer to cutting taxes is to raise taxes. The would suggest the 2017 Tax Law was stupid.
Firstly, the tax cut did not cause the deficit to top $1 trillion. It only raised the deficit to $779 billion. For context, the deficit in 2017 was $665 billion. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53624
Secondly, the idea behind a tax cut isn't that it will decrease the deficit in the following few years. The idea is that the tax cut will lead to increased economic growth so that the revenue will increase several years down the road, thereby "paying" for itself. Whether this tax cut succeeded in that depends entirely on whether you look at a left-wing source or a right-wing source. However, if one wants to decrease the deficit this year, then one has to raise taxes and cut spending.
We had a balanced budget under Clinton. It can be done.
It can, but it's a lot harder now than it was when Clinton did it. Clinton had the benefit of an economic boom driven by, among other things, the explosion of the internet. Furthermore, the US population at the time was comparatively less old, meaning that Social Security and Medicare spending was lower. Look at the budget for 2019, the year before all the Covid stimulus packages mess up all the easy numbers by adding a bunch of temporary spending.
The deficit was $984 billion. We could raise taxes to pay for it all, if we feel like guaranteeing a recession. It would be political suicide, so no one's going to do that. And if the did, it would be repealed as soon as the next election came. We could cut defense spending, but that's only $676 billion. Even if we cut it to 0, that won't pay for it. And looking at Ukraine and China's saber-rattling toward Taiwan, that doesn't seem like such a great idea. We could cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, but that would also be political suicide. We can't cut interest. Are we going to cut SNAP, veteran's benefits, retirement funds, unemployment compensation, or tax credits (the other spending)? Same story. Besides, you wouldn't throw all those poor people, old people, and veterans in front of the bus, would you? We could cut transportation, education, health, housing, or more veterans benefits (nondefense spending). Again, political suicide. You mean you don't like education? You hate health and housing? Capitalist pig!

What can you cut that wouldn't be political suicide? Or how will you explain to people that, just as inflation starts to decrease, they need to pay $1 trillion more in taxes? That won't go over well. Serious question here. What would you cut? Would you raise taxes by $1 trillion? How would you balance the budget?
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Jerome Powell confirmed he is willing to trade a recession for a reduction in inflation.
He is, and I have to agree with him, not that I really want a recession. However, runaway inflation in the long term is worse than a recession in the short term. It's the price we pay for spending trillions of dollars more than usual.
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Of course. Nobody wants the USA to become the next Zimbabwe. Rich lobbyists won't allow runaway inflation to happen anyway.

Not all assets can be offshored in an economic downturn.
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It's the price we pay for spending trillions of dollars more than usual.
It’s the price we pay for low unemployment, growing GDP, and supply chain issues related to Covid and the war in Ukraine 

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It’s the price we pay for low unemployment, growing GDP, and supply chain issues related to Covid and the war in Ukraine 
Certainly, those are also factors. The existence of other causes does not change the fact that spending excess trillions is also a cause.
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From your Brookings article: “The TCJA did not pay for itself, nor is it likely to do so in the future. There are many debates to have about the TCJA, but whether it raised or reduced revenues in 2018 should not be one of them” 

The deficit in 2017 was 665 billion - This was an Obama FY budget starting October 1, 2016

The deficit in 2018 was 779 billion - This budget began October 1, 2017 before the TCJA was signed by Trump on December 22, 2017


The deficit in 2020 was 3.1 trillion - This budget began October 1, 2019, before Covid arrived. The  2 trillion dollar CARES Act bill passed in 3/2020 but the deficit already exceeded a trillion dollars.

The deficit in 2021 was 2.8 trillion - This was Trump’s last budget

So why did we do it? It didn’t help poor people the way Clinton did. It didn’t increase revenues. It didn’t grow the economy (annual GDP growth didn’t exceed 3%) All it did was make rich people richer.

Republicans did it to take care of their donors.
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spending excess trillions is also a cause.
You mean Trump’s trillion dollar deficits?

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Lol at the idea that irresponsible Congressional spending started and ended with Trump.

Enjoy the recession, stay hydrated.
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You mean Trump’s trillion dollar deficits?
Trillion dollar deficit, singular. He only passed a trillion dollars in 2020. Three point one trillion, actually. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57170
And yes, I do mean that one. I also mean Biden's $2.8 trillion deficit in 2021. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58268
And also Biden's $1.4 trillion deficit this year. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58592
Those are the three deficits I meant. The first two had around $2 trillion in excess spending each, and the last had about half a trillion in excess.* There's a good argument that the first couple stimulus packages were justified, but they contributed to inflation justified or not.

*By excess, I mean more than usual. We've had $0.5 - $1 trillion deficits regularly for a decade and a half.

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From your Brookings article: “The TCJA did not pay for itself, nor is it likely to do so in the future. There are many debates to have about the TCJA, but whether it raised or reduced revenues in 2018 should not be one of them” 

The deficit in 2017 was 665 billion - This was an Obama FY budget starting October 1, 2016

The deficit in 2018 was 779 billion - This budget began October 1, 2017 before the TCJA was signed by Trump on December 22, 2017

Ah, I forgot that it was signed in December. So the $275 billion decrease in revenue accounted for slightly more than a quarter of the deficit the following year.
The deficit in 2020 was 3.1 trillion - This budget began October 1, 2019, before Covid arrived. The  2 trillion dollar CARES Act bill passed in 3/2020 but the deficit already exceeded a trillion dollars.
Yes, our spending continually increases even without Covid spending. It's quite depressing.
The deficit in 2021 was 2.8 trillion - This was Trump’s last budget
Yes, but it also would have included the $1.9 trillion stimulus package from Biden.
So why did we do it? It didn’t help poor people the way Clinton did.
It did give poor people $645 each, which is about half of what the stimulus packages did (individually). So it did help the poor. It wasn't a fortune, but it wasn't nothing either.
It didn’t increase revenues. It didn’t grow the economy (annual GDP growth didn’t exceed 3%) 
It was supposed to help the economy over the next 10 years or so. Kind of hard to measure that when a pandemic wrecks the economy in the middle of that. Economic policies like tax cuts are about the long term, not the next two years.
All it did was make rich people richer.
Made poor people $645 richer too.
Republicans did it to take care of their donors.
Whether or not you think it helped them financially, it was widely supported by Republican voters, so it wasn't just for the donors.
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As an aside, if you expect me to defend how much money Trump and the Republicans spent before Covid, you're not going to succeed. The Republicans have become very fiscally irresponsible.
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Also, the $645 would apply for every year after the tax cut was passed until it expires or is repealed. Since there have been 5 fiscal years since it passed, it would be an average of $3225 for each person in the bottom 80%.
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Trillion dollar deficit, singular. 
No, he had 3. 3 out of 4 budgets. FY 2021, 2020, and 2019(rounding 985 billion)

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Yes, but it also would have included the $1.9 trillion stimulus package from Biden.
Ok, that’s true. But the stimulus package was necessitated by the economy Trump passed on to Biden, including 16% unemployment. Biden passed the stimulus to respond to the economic situation that arose from Trump’s mishandling of Covid.

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It did give poor people $645 each, which is about half of what the stimulus packages did (individually). So it did help the poor. It wasn't a fortune, but it wasn't nothing either.
That’s an insult.

Made poor people $645 richer too.
Did it? The high deficits led to inflation and higher interest rates. The poor lost money. Had they restricted the tax cut to just the poor instead of giving 80% of the cuts to the wealthy, it might have actually helped the poor. But Republicans believe you can’t help the poor even a little unless you also help the rich a lot

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Ok, that’s true. But the stimulus package was necessitated by the economy Trump passed on to Biden,

Debateable. Many economists warned about spiking inflation long before it was passed, which is much worse than not passing the stimulus which would get us to the recession quicker instead of next year.

A deflected recession may have been good politics for November elections, but Americans will now have to deal with a prolonged recession.
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It was supposed to help the economy over the next 10 years or so. Kind of hard to measure that when a pandemic wrecks the economy in the middle of that. Economic policies like tax cuts are about the long term, not the next two years.
As your own article said - “The TCJA did not pay for itself, nor is it likely to do so in the future. There are many debates to have about the TCJA, but whether it raised or reduced revenues in 2018 should not be one of them” 

If the TCJA helped the economy like it was supposed to, it most certainly would have raised revenues at some point. It’s been 5 years since it was signed in December 2017. All it did was make rich people richer.
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it was widely supported by Republican voters,
Because Republicans are stupid.

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$3225 for each person in the bottom 80%.
Right, and $3225 over 5 years is still peanuts. 

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It did give poor people $645 each, which is about half of what the stimulus packages did (individually). So it did help the poor. It wasn't a fortune, but it wasn't nothing either.
The Biden stimulus package did a lot more than give $1400 stimulus checks.

“The package will extend a $300-per-week federal unemployment supplement through Sept. 6. The first $10,200 of unemployment benefits received in 2020 will be tax-free for individuals with adjusted gross incomes (AGI) below $150,000”

Read your own Forbes article. It did a lot to help the poor, the unemployed and the middle class. Way more than $645/ year.

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Right, and $3225 over 5 years is still peanuts. 
The condescension is strong in this one Master. 

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 It did a lot to help the poor, the unemployed
Paying people to not work was a terrible experiment. 

Enjoy the recession.
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No, he had 3. 3 out of 4 budgets. FY 2021, 2020, and 2019(rounding 985 billion)
If you round 2019, sure. However, he was only half responsible for 2021's budget, so he was only fully responsible for one unrounded trillion dollar budget.
Ok, that’s true. But the stimulus package was necessitated by the economy Trump passed on to Biden, including 16% unemployment. Biden passed the stimulus to respond to the economic situation that arose from Trump’s mishandling of Covid.
As I said earlier, whether or not the stimulus packages were justified doesn't change the fact that they contributed to inflation.
That’s an insult.
That's a subjective judgment.
Did it? The high deficits led to inflation and higher interest rates. The poor lost money.
The tax cut was not the cause of the high deficits. It contributed $275 billion to the deficit. The various stimulus packages contributed about $4.5 trillion.  Furthermore, the inflation didn't start until after the stimulus packages, years after the tax cut. The poor did not lose money because of the tax cut.
Had they restricted the tax cut to just the poor instead of giving 80% of the cuts to the wealthy, it might have actually helped the poor. But Republicans believe you can’t help the poor even a little unless you also help the rich a lot
I'm not quite sure what you mean. If you mean that there should have been more tax cuts for the poor, I agree that would have helped them. If you mean that they should have had the same tax cuts for the poor but no cuts for the rich, I don't see how that would benefit the poor.
As your own article said - “The TCJA did not pay for itself, nor is it likely to do so in the future. There are many debates to have about the TCJA, but whether it raised or reduced revenues in 2018 should not be one of them” 
Then it's a good thing that it wasn't supposed to raise revenues in 2018. As for the "nor as it likely to do so in the future", predictions about the economy are incredibly unreliable.
If the TCJA helped the economy like it was supposed to, it most certainly would have raised revenues at some point. It’s been 5 years since it was signed in December 2017. All it did was make rich people richer.
That is not all it did. It helped the poor as well.
Because Republicans are stupid.
Whether or not that's true, it has nothing to do with the point I was making.
Right, and $3225 over 5 years is still peanuts. 
That is also a subjective judgment. It may be peanuts to you. To someone living paycheck to paycheck, it could be a godsend.
The Biden stimulus package did a lot more than give $1400 stimulus checks.

“The package will extend a $300-per-week federal unemployment supplement through Sept. 6. The first $10,200 of unemployment benefits received in 2020 will be tax-free for individuals with adjusted gross incomes (AGI) below $150,000”

Read your own Forbes article. It did a lot to help the poor, the unemployed and the middle class. Way more than $645/ year.
I never said it didn't. What I said was that it contributed to inflation whether or not it was justified.
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Right, and $3225 over 5 years is still peanuts. 
The condescension is strong in this one Master. 
You only say that because you're uneducated!
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You only say that because you're uneducated!
HAHA you misspelled "dummy!"
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However, he was only half responsible for 2021's budget, so he was only fully responsible for one unrounded trillion dollar budget. 
2021 was going to be a trillion without Biden’s stimulus 

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The tax cut was not the cause of the high deficits.
Yes, it was. The 275 billion in lost revenue for FY 2019 was a significant factor in the 985 billion dollar deficit.

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I'm not quite sure what you mean. If you mean that there should have been more tax cuts for the poor, I agree that would have helped them. If you mean that they should have had the same tax cuts for the poor but no cuts for the rich, I don't see how that would benefit the poor.
Because if the wealthy hadn’t got their tax cut which was 80% of the taxes cut in the bill, we would have had less inflation and less debt.

If stimulus causes inflation then so do tax cuts for wealthy people. They both put money in peoples pockets.

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Then it's a good thing that it wasn't supposed to raise revenues in 2018.
It wasn’t designed to raise revenue ever! But Trump, Mnuchin, and the other idiots who pushed for this tax cut would sometimes lie and say it would pay for itself. Other times they admitted it would never pay for itself. That way voters could pick the scenario they liked best. They never clarify if the “paying for itself” means within a year, 10 years or ever.

These idiots:

Mnuchin is a member of the so-called "Big Six", a group of politicians convened to write a tax reform proposal that incorporated input from members of the House of Representatives, Senate, and White House. In addition to Mnuchin, the group consists of senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Mitch McConnell (R-KY); representatives Kevin Brady (R-TX) and Paul Ryan (R-WI); and National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn.[75]

Here he says there will be no tax cut (or revenue reduction) for the rich:

“Shortly after the November 2016 election, Mnuchin, as the planned nominee for secretary of the treasury, stated in an interview with CNBC that "any reductions we have in upper-income taxes will be offset by less deductions so that there will be no absolute tax cut for the upper class",[76] which Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) subsequently called "The Mnuchin Rule" during his Senate confirmation hearing.[77]

Then he says the tax cut will pay for itself:

“While appearing on ABC News on July 9, Mnuchin confirmed the administration was not considering a tax increase on the American upper class and the upcoming tax plan would finance itself.[83]

Mnuchin advocated for the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, a bill expected to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit.[84] Mnuchin claimed the bill would pay for itself by causing explosive economic growth; he promised the treasury was working on an analysis that showed that, and that the analysis would be made public before Congress voted on the legislation.[84] However, on November 30, 2017, sources within the Treasury department said Mnuchin had ordered no analysis of the tax plan and that there was no Treasury analysis that showed that the tax cuts would pay for themselves.[84] In December 2017, the treasury released a one-page report on the tax plan which acknowledged that the plan would not pay for itself through economic growth.[85][86]