NOT GUILTY verdict in officer involved shootings death of Pamela Turner

https://abc13.com/amp/pamela-turner-killed-by-police-murder-trial-juan-delacruz/12319339/

Finally the proper and just outcome of an officer falsely charged for killing a so-called “unarmed” arrestee who was resisting arrest and armed with the officer’s own taser. 

But as usual and like clockwork, some within the black community are calling for protests (which we all know will only result in more rioting and violence directed at law enforcement) in the wake of the “not guilty” verdict. 

Some commentary on various social media platforms include statements like the judicial system is “fixed.” That simply couldn’t be any further from the truth. A random selection of community members were selected to serve on the jury of no personal relations to the defendant. They heard the evidence and agreed the state failed to meet its burden of proof. Thus, the not guilty verdict. 

Claiming the deceased had a mental disorder isn’t a get out of jail free card. And neither is having several so-called run-ins with the accused either. They lived in the same apartment complex where she assaulted the property manager, which is what the warrant was for. The officer knew her and attempted to serve the warrant. But many in the black community feel entitled to be combative with police, resist arrest and attempt to take their tools off their utility belt and use them against the officer as she did in this case. 

Pamela Turner reaped what she sowed. Her fault. Not the officer’s just trying to do his job. Like all officers who just try to do their job. It’s the citizenry with an attitude that’s the tried and true problem in these all too familiar scenarios that place the officer in a position to defend their life and potentially the lives of others. 

What are you thoughts on this case?

And what are police officers and society doing to help cops be seen as friendly protectors that have a code in the eyes of the predominantly black communities in US?

That, TWS, is the real root cause and real solution.

--> @Shila

I hat you just wrote absolutely zero sense!!! 

Cops are trained to defend themselves from an assailant using their taser against them. Because if they don’t and the cop gets tased, the assailant could and would take their service pistol and kill them and then others in their escape. 

->@TWS1405

--> @Shila

I hat you just wrote absolutely zero sense!!! 

Cops are trained to defend themselves from an assailant using their taser against them. Because if they don’t and the cop gets tased, the assailant could and would take their service pistol and kill them and then others in their escape. 

Why wasn’t the taser secured before the officer approached Pamela Turner?

And what are police officers and society doing to help cops be seen as friendly protectors that have a code in the eyes of the predominantly black communities in US?

That, TWS, is the real root cause and real solution.

The crime is the real root cause, and the real solution is prosecuting criminals. 

-> @Shila

->@TWS1405

--> @Shila

I hat you just wrote absolutely zero sense!!! 

Cops are trained to defend themselves from an assailant using their taser against them. Because if they don’t and the cop gets tased, the assailant could and would take their service pistol and kill them and then others in their escape. 

Why wasn’t the taser secured before the officer approached Pamela Turner?

Can you prove it wasn't secure?

Do you know what kind of taser holster he was issued? 

Yeah, didn't think so...

And what are police officers and society doing to help cops be seen as friendly protectors that have a code in the eyes of the predominantly black communities in US?

That, TWS, is the real root cause and real solution.

What an ass-backwards and wrong way of framing the situation lol.

The correct question is this: what are the civilians doing to get shot? In this case, it appears to be grabbing the gun/taser of an officer. It shouldn't be up to the officers and "society" (whatever that means) to make that situation PR friendly to the black community. It should be up to the people not to commit the serious crime in the first place. 

The crime is the real root cause, and the real solution is prosecuting criminals. 

When one party has an unencumbered privilege to exercise the use of deadly force using their discretion alone on someone else's property, then their actions will receive my condemnation.

She probably shouldn't have reached for his weapon, but police officers are sanctioned aggressors who flaunt their capacity to kill; hence, their not concealing their weapons knowing they can and often instigate escalation in particular circumstances.

And what are police officers and society doing to help cops be seen as friendly protectors that have a code in the eyes of the predominantly black communities in US?

That, TWS, is the real root cause and real solution.

What an ass-backwards and wrong way of framing the situation lol.

The correct question is this: what are the civilians doing to get shot? In this case, it appears to be grabbing the gun/taser of an officer. It shouldn't be up to the officers and "society" (whatever that means) to make that situation PR friendly to the black community. It should be up to the people not to commit the serious crime in the first place. 

The crime is the real root cause, and the real solution is prosecuting criminals. 

Which is exactly what the officer did not do when he shot Pamela. She was not a criminal, she had some mental issues.

-> @Shila

And what are police officers and society doing to help cops be seen as friendly protectors that have a code in the eyes of the predominantly black communities in US?

That, TWS, is the real root cause and real solution.

What an ass-backwards and wrong way of framing the situation lol.

The correct question is this: what are the civilians doing to get shot? In this case, it appears to be grabbing the gun/taser of an officer. It shouldn't be up to the officers and "society" (whatever that means) to make that situation PR friendly to the black community. It should be up to the people not to commit the serious crime in the first place. 

The crime is the real root cause, and the real solution is prosecuting criminals. 

Which is exactly what the officer did not do when he shot Pamela. She was not a criminal, she had some mental issues.

LOL what, is the officer going to try and arrest her, in order for her to stand before a judge, whilst he's being tased and shot at? xD

Sometimes, prosecution happens in real time, if you're attempting to harm a police officer.

I'm glad they found the cure for this dangerous, wild criminal's mental illness: a 9mm to the dome.

If you don't like the concept of police, go live in CHAZ or Somalia. Go do that and experience how wonderful your anarchist dreams are.

It's super easy to mouth-off about police whilst behind a computer screen in the comfort of a lawful society.

In what circumstance would it be okay to touch an officer's weapon?

Who instigated this violent interaction?

Why are we pretending to ignore that what this woman did was illegal, dangerous and threatened the life of the officer?

And what are police officers and society doing to help cops be seen as friendly protectors that have a code in the eyes of the predominantly black communities in US?

That, TWS, is the real root cause and real solution.

What an ass-backwards and wrong way of framing the situation lol.

The correct question is this: what are the civilians doing to get shot? In this case, it appears to be grabbing the gun/taser of an officer. It shouldn't be up to the officers and "society" (whatever that means) to make that situation PR friendly to the black community. It should be up to the people not to commit the serious crime in the first place. 

The crime is the real root cause, and the real solution is prosecuting criminals. 

Which is exactly what the officer did not do when he shot Pamela. She was not a criminal, she had some mental issues.

LOL what, is the officer going to try and arrest her, in order for her to stand before a judge, whilst he's being tased and shot at? xD

Sometimes, prosecution happens in real time, if you're attempting to harm a police officer.

I'm glad they found the cure for this dangerous, wild criminal's mental illness: a 9mm to the dome.

When officers suffer from mental illness they are suspended with pay and required to seek treatment/counseling. The same consideration should be given to the public.

The reason she went for the taser was because the officer already had his gun in his hand. She needed to defend herself. And seeing the taser not secured reached for it.

Which is exactly what the officer did not do when he shot Pamela. She was not a criminal, she had some mental issues.

Your analogy is not syllogistic because the hypothetical officer has not committed a serious crime, whereas the real offender has.

I'd be far more sympathetic if the offender hadn't committed a serious crime and was merely seeking help. 

The difference is the crime, not the mental illness.

he correct question is this: what are the civilians doing to get shot?

he correct question is this: what are the civilians doing to get shot?

RM: No, that doesn't explore why they're doing it. Simple minds rarely get to root causes though, they tend to just lash out and blame (on both sides of politics). Greater minds seek to empathise and find long-term rehabilitations and solutions to big issues and only one side of politics does that, whether the right wing admits it or not.

First, who are you? Because it's protocol that I share my "anarchist dreams" with those who've been here at least two months. 

Second, where I live does not at all qualify any objection I sustain against an organization of aggressors. 

Third, what the hell is CHAZ? 

Fourth, Somalia has a federal government.

It's super easy to mouth-off about police whilst behind a computer screen in the comfort of a lawful society.

I would also presume that it's super easy to mouth-off about the police whilst not being behind a computer screen in the alleged discomfort of an unlawful society. What is your point? Presuming that I would change my tune living under different circumstances displays that you have absolutely no idea what serves as the basis of my contention.

In what circumstance would it be okay to touch an officer's weapon?

Under what circumstances does one not expect the other party to be on edge when flaunting their weapon in a dispute?

Who instigated this violent interaction?

The officer.

Why are we pretending to ignore that what this woman did was illegal, dangerous and threatened the life of the officer?

Why are we pretending that every officer is not an extension of state aggression, and the ends that they seek in any dispute is compliance and submission, not resolution?

the correct question is this: what are the civilians doing to get shot?

No, that doesn't explore why they're doing it. Simple minds rarely get to root causes though, they tend to just lash out and blame (on both sides of politics). Greater minds seek to empathise and find long-term rehabilitations and solutions to big issues and only one side of politics does that, whether the right wing admits it or not.

When officers suffer from mental illness they are suspended with pay and required to seek treatment/counseling.

If you maneuver your eyes to the left-hand side of your screen (don't go too far), there are picture boxes and a word above. That word above is my name.

You might like living in a stateless society.

Criminals get to do whatever they want!

What Is CHAZ? - StayHipp

It's almost like anarchy always falls into some organized state...

It's not. Despots and tyrants don't countenance criticism.

You would change your tune or it would be your swan song.

Oh you're right.

When people are on edge, that gives them the right to grab people's weapons.

My bad.

I'm curious: do you think it would be okay to assault or even kill a police officer for attempting to arrest you?

What about asking for I.D?

What about existing?

Where do you draw the line?

It's not. Despots and tyrants don't countenance criticism.

Despotism and Tyranny typically characterize governments and their leaders, not anarchy.

Criminals get to do whatever they want!

I'd rather have criminals "run free" than run government.

Oh you're right.

When people are on edge, that gives them the right to grab people's weapons.

My bad.

When being threatened on their own property, they most certainly have the prerogative to effectively end said threat.

I'm curious: do you think it would be okay to assault or even kill a police officer for attempting to arrest you?

The attempt to arrest or detain is a violation of one's person and sovereignty. So yes, one has the prerogative to seek the end of all acts of aggression to which one is subject.

What about asking for I.D?

You don't ask police officers for their badge numbers and confirm that they are who they say they are?

What about existing?

Police officers are enforcers for the State. The State is an institution defined by its capacity to coerce. So yes, their existing constitutes a threat.

Non Sequitur

This thread is about criminals on the street and how cops are treated by not only them, but the general public as well. It has NOTHING to do with politics and who is or is not running the so-called "government."

Both she and the officer lived in the same apartment complex. They were in the parking lot. It was NOT "her own property."

Knowing she lived in the same building, the officer attempted to serve said warrant. During which Turner became hostile, belligerent, combative and resisted lawful arrest.

she has no right to act in such a manner, especially towards a peace officer.

She was the threat, not the officer. 

You clearly know nothing about the law, constitutional law, and the laws governing the authority law enforcement officers possess when enforcing said laws.

A lawful arrest is NOT "a violation of one's person and sovereignty."

Period. Fact. Period. So, NO!

No one has the right or prerogative "to seek the end of all acts of aggression" in such a case as this.

God! You sound like one of those nut job sovereign citizen clowns. 

Another non-sequitur.

Everyone knows that 99.90% of the time anyone with a badge IS a law enforcement officer. Imposters are far, few and between. 

FFS! Another non-sequitur.

She is asking about existing as a human being, being physically present. 

Police officers may be employees of the state, but they are not "enforcers" (i.e., mercenaries) of the state.

They are CIVIL SERVANTS!!

Big eff'ing difference!

And there are millions upon millions of victims of crime, especially violent crime, that would wholeheartedly disagree with your last, albeit asinine, assessment.