So, what's the difference between vegan food and carnivorous food.

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One might squeal more and be cuter looking than the other when you kill it.

Food chain always has been.

And human intellectual and emotional development AKA overthink has evolved to a point whereby we might categorise the morality of nutritional survival based upon the ability of the food source to squeal and look cute.

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Vegetarianism is the future but not for any ethical consideration.  Meat is just a very impractical luxury an overpopulated planet can't afford any longer.

Just consider the basic math.  Humans can harvest more plant-based calories then we expend in the growing.  Humans expend roughly 50 calories for every 1 animal-based calorie we grow.  This wasn't always true.  In the early days of civilization, meat was much rarer but it was also less labor intensive than early agriculture.  Modern machinery, irrigation, genetic improvements, seed outputs, etc have resulted in far greater efficiency in plant calories over meat.  Meat is also environmentally toxic and far less efficient in terms of water, land usage than growing crops.  There will come a time in the not too distant future when we are going to want to curb all of those inefficiencies quite dramatically just to improve our chances of survival.  Meat will probably still be around but just far more expensive and so a luxury item.

If a pound of chicken cost $30 and a pound of beef $50, how often would you eat it?  If you are low income, meat might only be a holiday treat kind of thing.  Certainly, as meat consumption becomes rarer, human appetites, tastes, and culture will probably shift.  A hundred years from now, meat eating might be considered kind of old fashioned and gross the way we think of eating organ meats or monkey brains today.  In two hundred years, eating meat might be considered outright barbaric or outrageously wasteful.
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I have a friend who was outright allergic to dairy and most protein products. She hence is vegetarian not by ethical reason but for health. Though her social skills tell her to paint it as a deliberate socially progressive act to make her seem more liberal and “American” by the time she applies to college.

Is Veganism really seen as a socially “American” act?
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Going vegan is tilting the balance. More animals saved means less food for them. More humans eating vegetables is also cutting into the food for animals. More animals around is also increasing beastiality.
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So, what's the difference between vegan food and carnivorous food.
Vitamin B12 is much more readily available in animal products than plants. If I recall correctly, most vegans either take supplements or use yeast-derived products.

I think that cutting down on meat consumption would be better overall for people, the environment, and unquestionably the animals.
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Vitamin B12 is much more readily available in animal products than plants. If I recall correctly, most vegans either take supplements or use yeast-derived products.

I think that cutting down on meat consumption would be better overall for people, the environment, and unquestionably the animals.
India has the highest number of vegetarians in the world. India’s Olympic Sports Medals count or military is not the best in the world. Nor are Indians the healthiest people in the world. Are the  Animals in India any happier than animals elsewhere?

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I'd be willing to bet the cows are.
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I'd be willing to bet the cows are.
Cows in India are considered sacred and protected. That has nothing to do with Indians being vegetarian.
But it is possible Hinduism makes animals happy just as much as Judaism and Islam makes pigs happy.

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I have a friend who was outright allergic to dairy and most protein products. She hence is vegetarian not by ethical reason but for health. Though her social skills tell her to paint it as a deliberate socially progressive act to make her seem more liberal and “American” by the time she applies to college.

Is Veganism really seen as a socially “American” act?
Not really, no.  We're a country famous for exporting McDonalds and KFC culture and I would say meat-eating is an important part of US identity.  I ate vegetarian for in the 90's and I certainly met far more hostility than tolerance for it.  I have relatives who believe that eating meat is part of being a Christian and fulfilling humanity's role as the dominant species in the world.  Vegetarianism and veganism is is rapidly increasing in popularity now though still fairly unpopular in the mid-west and rural areas.  A few years back a vegan bakery opened up in my neighborhood but I thought the food was terrible- all sort of less tasty compromises for animal products then really figuring out new methods that taste good. My neighborhood has traditionally hosted most of the vegetarian restaurants in town but for some reason that tradition has always come with a lot of attitude- bad service, bad food.  The point was to point was to be seen to be making a sacrifice.  But that attitude is changing now, certainly in my neighborhood.  Just about every restaurant has some good vegan or vegetarian options.
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Shutting down McDonals and Burger King to help turn Americans vegan will not be good for the economy or farmers.
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There is no difference, food is food, eat what ever the hell you want and don't tell other people  to eat what you eat. You have no moral high ground no matter what you eat. Veganism is a luxury life style afforded to first world countries. You would starve to death in a third world country and would eat a lot less palatable meats than beef pork or chicken if you wanted to stay alive. Oh and get used to eating rotting vegetables to.
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There is no difference, food is food, eat what ever the hell you want and don't tell other people  to eat what you eat. You have no moral high ground no matter what you eat. Veganism is a luxury life style afforded to first world countries. You would starve to death in a third world country and would eat a lot less palatable meats than beef pork or chicken if you wanted to stay alive. Oh and get used to eating rotting vegetables to.
So why are more than 1 out of 3 Americans suffering from obesity?

The US obesity prevalence was 41.9% in 2017 – March 2020. (NHANES, 2021)
From 1999 –2000 through 2017 –March 2020, US obesity prevalence increased from 30.5% to 41.9%. During the same time, the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. (NHANES, 2021)

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So why are more than 1 out of 3 Americans suffering from obesity?

The US obesity prevalence was 41.9% in 2017 – March 2020. (NHANES, 2021)
From 1999 –2000 through 2017 –March 2020, US obesity prevalence increased from 30.5% to 41.9%. During the same time, the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. (NHANES, 2021)



US obesity rates on the rise: 113 million by 2022

By Marie Ellis on September 3, 2013
The US has been called out in the past for having the most obese population. And based on a new report, which estimates that the US will hold the highest population of overweight people in 2022, it looks like tackling obesity will be an important issue over the next decade.

The report, compiled by researchers at GlobalData, was created using data and information from several databases, as well as in-house analysis by industry experts.

Looking specifically at nine major countries (US, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, Japan, Brazil and Canada), the report indicates that the current number of obese people in those areas will increase from 167 million in 2012 to 213 million in 2022, putting a strain on health services.

Then focusing on the US, researchers indicate that Americans will most be affected by obesity, with 81 million expected to be overweight and 113 million obese by 2022.

A recent report from July 2013 showed that the US passed the obesity rates crown to Mexico, moving into second place for most obese nation.

Researchers estimate that Brazil will trail the US in 2022, with 64 million overweight and 26 million obese.

According to the report, nearly 2.8 million people worldwide die each year as a result of obesity and the conditions it causes.

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The difference between vegan  and carnivorous diet.

US obesity rates on the rise: 113 million by 2022

By Marie Ellis on September 3, 2013
The US has been called out in the past for having the most obese population. And based on a new report, which estimates that the US will hold the highest population of overweight people in 2022, it looks like tackling obesity will be an important issue over the next decade.

The report, compiled by researchers at GlobalData, was created using data and information from several databases, as well as in-house analysis by industry experts.

Looking specifically at nine major countries (US, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, Japan, Brazil and Canada), the report indicates that the current number of obese people in those areas will increase from 167 million in 2012 to 213 million in 2022, putting a strain on health services.

Then focusing on the US, researchers indicate that Americans will most be affected by obesity, with 81 million expected to be overweight and 113 million obese by 2022.

A recent report from July 2013 showed that the US passed the obesity rates crown to Mexico, moving into second place for most obese nation.

Researchers estimate that Brazil will trail the US in 2022, with 64 million overweight and 26 million obese.

According to the report, nearly 2.8 million people worldwide die each year as a result of obesity and the conditions it causes.


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Obesity is not so much about diet, but about lifestyle.

A vegan diet can be just as unhealthy as an omnivorous diet.

Though the former is likely to be under-nourished, rather than over-nourished.


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Obesity is not so much about diet, but about lifestyle.

A vegan diet can be just as unhealthy as an omnivorous diet.

Though the former is likely to be under-nourished, rather than over-nourished.
Are you saying the American lifestyle is bad but the American diet is not?

“The US has been called out in the past for having the most obese population. And based on a new report, which estimates that the US will hold the highest population of overweight people in 2022, it looks like tackling obesity will be an important issue over the next decade.”

Obesity is attributed to fast foods and processed foods that Americans consume. That would make obesity a dietary issue.

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Lifestyle choices very much includes dietary choices.

Lifestyle is socially promoted and therefore becomes acquired and established.

Hopefully new generations of Americans will get a new message.

The current obesity issue will not be solved by an instant click of the fingers.
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Lifestyle choices very much includes dietary choices.

Lifestyle is socially promoted and therefore becomes acquired and established.

Hopefully new generations of Americans will get a new message.

The current obesity issue will not be solved by an instant click of the fingers.
Sounds like a shift from your previous position “Obesity is not so much about diet, but about lifestyle.”

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Obesity is not so much about diet, but about lifestyle.

A vegan diet can be just as unhealthy as an omnivorous diet.

Though the former is likely to be under-nourished, rather than over-nourished.

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Not at all.

As I stated, lifestyle choice includes dietary choices and laziness too.

Lifestyle choices are relative to social availability, which was to say that American society previously promoted an easy life as an aspiration.

So consequently, American society currently has high incidences of obesity relative to a generational mindset.

Social re-education will therefore only be effective over time.