Explaining the “Trump supporter” mind

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Anyone who has tried to have a rational conversation with a Trump supporter recognizes that the problem with the obdurate and dogmatic closed mindedness of Trump supporters is that everything is one dimensional, there's no depth, nothing at all below a surface level understanding. Allow me to try to explain this phenomenon in the context of the evolutionary approach of science.

Paul MacLean’s "triune brain" thought process posits three distinct groupings of the human brain’s various autonomous structures that from an evolutionary point of view developed sequentially in time, and is roughly associated with the emergence of reptiles, mammals, and humans.  The brain structures that evolved over time on the way to making a human brain are the “R-Complex” or reptilian brain, the limbic system or “paleomammalian complex”, and the neocortex or “neomammalian complex”. As we evolved each sequential brain development necessarily built upon and was added to the preceding structures and result in the general behavioral characteristics typical of the reptiles, mammals, and primates that sequentially emerged and have the added new brain complex in addition to the ones that had previously evolved. MacLean’s central idea is that human thought is a complex interplay of separate behaviors characteristic of our evolutionary development that developed sequentially as these brain groupings were added, this model allows us to learn more about human behavior by examining and relating the behavior of the associated three classes of animals. 

Anatomical brain research, particularly changes observed after selective damage to cortical regions and brain mapping techniques, have since demonstrated a strong correlation between the behavior described and the brain structures described in the model. While MacLean’s model is not perfect, a great deal of understanding resulted and to this day, most brain researchers think along these lines.  The brain did evolve in an additive way and specific types of behavior did emerge sequentially, and there is clearly a spectrum of behavior that ranges from the lowest level reptilian “brain”, strongly associated with the ritualistic displays, territoriality, and aggression of reptiles, to the last general brain structure to evolve, the prefrontal cortex which exploded in size during hominid evolution and in a fully developed form, is considered to be what makes us human.  The prefrontal cortex is associated with planning, complex problem solving, regulation of emotion, and spirituality.

The aforementioned obdurate and dogmatic closed mindedness of Trump supporters is a comprehension problem that stems from an "R-Complex" (lizard brain) dominance, which is behaviorally characterized by stereotypically reptilian ritualistic displays and the typical instincts of dominance, territoriality, and aggression associated with Reptilia class conduct. R-Complex dominance results in a limitation to the range of logical or rational responses as reptile typical automatic and irrational behavioral responses supersede the higher level processes of logical thought and rational behavior.  The ability for abstract thought is compromised, and the individual becomes trapped in a surface level understanding, making it difficult or impossible to comprehend symbolism, metaphor, and meaning. The reason such close minded individuals are so dogmatic is that the irrational reptilian instinct of territoriality becomes attached to ideas and opinions which are then aggressively defended as a matter of self-preservation.  The associated constant and illogical repetition of dogmatic assertions is the reptilian phenomena of ritualism making an irrational attempt to socially delineate a hierarchical position of territorial dominance in the realm of ideas and opinions.

In R-complex dominance reptilian behaviors are amplified and the emotional and thinking brains are down-regulated, so for instance, attempts at logical, rational, and socially acceptable interaction trigger reptilian territoriality and aggression and ritualistic displays instead of logical consideration of the other person’s point of view followed by a reasoned response. The R-Complex dominance will desensitize limbic system characteristics such as altruistic behavior and the capacity for intellectual empathy are subordinated to the reptilian instinctual behaviors of aggression and territoriality, and the mammalian functions that allow an individual to distinguish between what is socially acceptable or unacceptable is compromised as the individual becomes desensitized to other people’s thoughts and ideas in favor of repetitive ritualistic displays and the species typical reptilian behaviors of aggression and territoriality.  Social ineptness can result in societal isolation and an associated resentment because the reptilian lack of abstract reasoning and the related reptilian inability to comprehend or respect the affective states of others downgrades logical thought and results in a reptile typical and completely territorial attack approach to discussing other people’s ideas.
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I have no problem understanding Trump supporters, your rant is invalid.
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There are really only two types of thinking:

1. Binary
2. Non-binary

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HAH!
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There are two types of people in the world. Those that finish what they start.

There are three types of people in the world.  Those that can count, and those who cannot.

There are 10 types of people in the world.  Those that understand binary, and those who do not.
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There seems to be dissonance between your original attack and later parts of your rant.

You end up conceding that right wingers who support Trump tend to be very rational about maintaining territory and conserving resources. Earlier you implied they lacked depth while the emotional sharers of the left have more.

Both sides have simpler minded people among them, one likes to share through compulsion (left wing) while the other likes to minimise sharing for the times they believe are worth it (right wing). Both mentalities can result in simpleminded outlooks.
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One weird trend also is for people to only engage with people who either radically agree to the extreme or radically disagree to the extreme, because any other person just takes way too much work to figure out.
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Both sides have simpler minded people among them, one likes to share through compulsion (left wing) while the other likes to minimise sharing for the times they believe are worth it (right wing). Both mentalities can result in simpleminded outlooks.
That’s true, what I said in a previous post about extremist Theists and Atheists applies to political extremists also.
 
Political extremists, both Democrat and Republican, only appear to be opposed, but I think they are “polar opposites”, and to say that “opposites” are “polar” is to say much more than they are opposed or separated; it is to say that they constitute a whole. There is a reciprocal, transactional relationship being described. Polar opposites don’t even exist without each other, they are contingent upon each other, you just can’t have the one without the other. Polar opposites are like the two sides of a coin, or the two ends of a stick; they reference two opposing aspects of one and the same thing. Such extremists are closer together than either of them is with the reasonable, middle view.

This would certainly explain why there are more similarities than differences between the online posts of extremist Democrats and extremist Republicans, they only appear to be opposites but are in fact inseparable opposites; they constitute a whole. Seen as mirror images of one and the same extremist, they are not mutually exclusive at all; in fact they are mutually sustaining, reciprocal in their true nature.

I think they are a lot like the dog barking at his inverted mirror image.

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You have to wonder if questioning the government automatically disqualifies one from being a "true democrat"

The parties seem to be reverting to the political camps of the 1700's with loyalist Tories and the freedom fighters.
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You have to wonder if questioning the government automatically disqualifies one from being a "true democrat"
it depends on which flag the government is currently waving

they were more than willing to "question the government" when GWB and when DJT were sitting in the big chair
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They questioned one person, not the vast array of failing DC institutions.
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They questioned one person, not the vast array of failing DC institutions.
always blame the individual for systemic failures